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	<title>Comments on: The New Republic  Can&#8217;t Confirm Weekly Standard Report Of Beauchamp Recant</title>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s interesting is that Beauchamp faces only minor disciplinary consequences. His cell phone and his laptop have been taken away from him. Huh. How does this compute with him allegedly falsifying all the facts in his stories and thus stayning the image of the army?

I guess the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Beauchamp, as an ambitious wannabe author, took a lot of liberties with his stories, changing places and events for the sake of a more dramatic narrative. But there&#039;s a core of truth in that his musings are based on real experience. Of course, the army&#039;s viewpoint is that the falsifications technically make his reports a lie. Imho this is the best explanation for those differing accounts we heard.

But, who cares, as long as we don&#039;t see get more informations about the investigations and the testimonies this is idle guesswork. And there are more urgent topics to talk about. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s interesting is that Beauchamp faces only minor disciplinary consequences. His cell phone and his laptop have been taken away from him. Huh. How does this compute with him allegedly falsifying all the facts in his stories and thus stayning the image of the army?</p>
<p>I guess the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Beauchamp, as an ambitious wannabe author, took a lot of liberties with his stories, changing places and events for the sake of a more dramatic narrative. But there&#8217;s a core of truth in that his musings are based on real experience. Of course, the army&#8217;s viewpoint is that the falsifications technically make his reports a lie. Imho this is the best explanation for those differing accounts we heard.</p>
<p>But, who cares, as long as we don&#8217;t see get more informations about the investigations and the testimonies this is idle guesswork. And there are more urgent topics to talk about.<br />
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		<title>By: harto</title>
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		<dc:creator>harto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we are concerned about &quot;truth&quot; here, and confirmation of &quot;facts&quot; about stories, then there is no hiding from the fact that Goldfarb, et al, are hoist by their own petard. 

Their declarations of victory have been premature and uncorroborated.

Only Goldfarb and Bob Owens&#039; &lt;em&gt;claims&lt;/em&gt; of email confirmation from coalition P.R. officers stand as &quot;evidence.&quot;

I do not believe that such confirmations of internal investigations of individual soldiers is standard military policy, and I must hold judgment in abeyance until something more definitive is offered -- presuming Centcom to be 100% reliable and truthful. Even with that presumption, the jury is still out.

I would prefer to see the alleged &quot;signed statement&quot; before passing judgment. Clearly Goldfarb, Owens, and the other snarling, snarking attackers don&#039;t. But thus far it is logically unwarranted -- most especially given the EXTREMELY high bar they have set for TNR&#039;s veracity in this matter.

And that&#039;s a classicallty &quot;moderate&quot; and serious position.

But, since that NON-certitude is what Goldfarb, et al have been screaming about &lt;strong&gt;for three weeks now&lt;/strong&gt;, surely we must reserve our journalistic scorn for this gutter form yellow journalism, that has already (prematurely) called for the firing of various TNR editors, etc. ; that has prematurely smeared the reputation of Private Beauchamp in a combat zone, placing him in -- the most extreme case -- peril of his very life. And that has attempted (through the casual invocation of another, unrelated credibility scandal that  is a logically specious argument against TNR&#039;s credibility)

This remains what you called it this morning, Mr. Gandelman: an attack by The WEEKLY STANDARD against THE NEW REPUBLIC. 

At this point, TNR&#039;s statement, if true, &lt;em&gt;boomerangs the entire argument.&lt;/em&gt;

I will add that it is an ORCHESTRATED attack, and has morphed from the position that &quot;Scott Thomas&quot; is some creative fiction writer stateside (and not a REAL soldier, to well, OK, he&#039;s a soldier, but he was making it ALL up.

The only substantiated facts thus far are that 1) Goldfarb and Company have been demonstrably wrong and never demonstrably RIGHT, and that, while questions might exist about TNR&#039;s story, TNR has rechecked and twice claimed the story to be substantially and essentially correct in all its particulars. Saying it ain&#039;t so don&#039;t make it not so. 

Either way, the jumping the gun, the counting of unhatched chickens, and crowing about unconfirmed rumors (one can&#039;t call them reports) has been premature, mean-spirited and excessively unprofessional.

Moderation should demand something more than an equivocating &quot;a plague on both their houses.&quot; TNR&#039;s credibility has not yet been destroyed, and the Pajamas Media/Malkin/Goldfarb coordinated attack has not yet proven credible, for all the shouting and braying.

While I must withhold judgment on TNR&#039;s veracity, I think that the Goldfarb/Malkin axis has a whole lot of questions to answer on this matter. They should not be immune from tarring from the brush they have thus far wielded with such casual viciousness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we are concerned about &#8220;truth&#8221; here, and confirmation of &#8220;facts&#8221; about stories, then there is no hiding from the fact that Goldfarb, et al, are hoist by their own petard. </p>
<p>Their declarations of victory have been premature and uncorroborated.</p>
<p>Only Goldfarb and Bob Owens&#8217; <em>claims</em> of email confirmation from coalition P.R. officers stand as &#8220;evidence.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do not believe that such confirmations of internal investigations of individual soldiers is standard military policy, and I must hold judgment in abeyance until something more definitive is offered &#8212; presuming Centcom to be 100% reliable and truthful. Even with that presumption, the jury is still out.</p>
<p>I would prefer to see the alleged &#8220;signed statement&#8221; before passing judgment. Clearly Goldfarb, Owens, and the other snarling, snarking attackers don&#8217;t. But thus far it is logically unwarranted &#8212; most especially given the EXTREMELY high bar they have set for TNR&#8217;s veracity in this matter.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s a classicallty &#8220;moderate&#8221; and serious position.</p>
<p>But, since that NON-certitude is what Goldfarb, et al have been screaming about <strong>for three weeks now</strong>, surely we must reserve our journalistic scorn for this gutter form yellow journalism, that has already (prematurely) called for the firing of various TNR editors, etc. ; that has prematurely smeared the reputation of Private Beauchamp in a combat zone, placing him in &#8212; the most extreme case &#8212; peril of his very life. And that has attempted (through the casual invocation of another, unrelated credibility scandal that  is a logically specious argument against TNR&#8217;s credibility)</p>
<p>This remains what you called it this morning, Mr. Gandelman: an attack by The WEEKLY STANDARD against THE NEW REPUBLIC. </p>
<p>At this point, TNR&#8217;s statement, if true, <em>boomerangs the entire argument.</em></p>
<p>I will add that it is an ORCHESTRATED attack, and has morphed from the position that &#8220;Scott Thomas&#8221; is some creative fiction writer stateside (and not a REAL soldier, to well, OK, he&#8217;s a soldier, but he was making it ALL up.</p>
<p>The only substantiated facts thus far are that 1) Goldfarb and Company have been demonstrably wrong and never demonstrably RIGHT, and that, while questions might exist about TNR&#8217;s story, TNR has rechecked and twice claimed the story to be substantially and essentially correct in all its particulars. Saying it ain&#8217;t so don&#8217;t make it not so. </p>
<p>Either way, the jumping the gun, the counting of unhatched chickens, and crowing about unconfirmed rumors (one can&#8217;t call them reports) has been premature, mean-spirited and excessively unprofessional.</p>
<p>Moderation should demand something more than an equivocating &#8220;a plague on both their houses.&#8221; TNR&#8217;s credibility has not yet been destroyed, and the Pajamas Media/Malkin/Goldfarb coordinated attack has not yet proven credible, for all the shouting and braying.</p>
<p>While I must withhold judgment on TNR&#8217;s veracity, I think that the Goldfarb/Malkin axis has a whole lot of questions to answer on this matter. They should not be immune from tarring from the brush they have thus far wielded with such casual viciousness.</p>
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		<title>By: [BLOCKED BY STBV] A Blog For All</title>
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		<dc:creator>[BLOCKED BY STBV] A Blog For All</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Not Quite The Last Word On ScottScam...&lt;/strong&gt;

TNR&#039;s editorial process is badly flawed, and in running this series, they not only got more than they bargained for, but besmirched the US Army based on the fabrications of a soldier who was provided an unfettered outlet for his fictionalized account....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Not Quite The Last Word On ScottScam&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>TNR&#8217;s editorial process is badly flawed, and in running this series, they not only got more than they bargained for, but besmirched the US Army based on the fabrications of a soldier who was provided an unfettered outlet for his fictionalized account&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Serenity Now</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serenity Now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;But The Standard talked about a signed, recanting confession. Thatâ€™s a yardstick. True? Case closed. NOT true? Then that is a huge issue. If itâ€™s false and was passed onto The Standard then it would represent a new low in political misdirection.&lt;/em&gt;

Why doesn&#039;t TNR ask TWS&#039;s Goldfarb if he can put them (TNR&#039;s editors) in touch with his source who claims Beauchamp signed a recantation?

Why doesn&#039;t TNR tell it&#039;s readers that Maj. Lamb also said:  &quot;An investigation has been completed and the allegations made by PVT Beauchamp were found to be false. His platoon and company were interviewed and no one could substantiate the claims.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>But The Standard talked about a signed, recanting confession. Thatâ€™s a yardstick. True? Case closed. NOT true? Then that is a huge issue. If itâ€™s false and was passed onto The Standard then it would represent a new low in political misdirection.</em></p>
<p>Why doesn&#8217;t TNR ask TWS&#8217;s Goldfarb if he can put them (TNR&#8217;s editors) in touch with his source who claims Beauchamp signed a recantation?</p>
<p>Why doesn&#8217;t TNR tell it&#8217;s readers that Maj. Lamb also said:  &#8220;An investigation has been completed and the allegations made by PVT Beauchamp were found to be false. His platoon and company were interviewed and no one could substantiate the claims.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I have my beer, I&#039;ve got Chips, too, I&#039;m ready for the next round...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have my beer, I&#8217;ve got Chips, too, I&#8217;m ready for the next round&#8230;</p>
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