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		<title>By: Jim Satterfield</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/14390/harnessing-the-wind/comment-page-1/#comment-93962</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 04:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GreenDreams,

     If I ever get to build a house from scratch and can afford what I want I&#039;ll incorporate both of those technologies and others as well into it. Once I looked for the heck of it at a housing development where every house sat on between an 1.5 and 2+ acres. It was a requirement for every home to use a geothermal heat pump system.</description>
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<p>     If I ever get to build a house from scratch and can afford what I want I&#8217;ll incorporate both of those technologies and others as well into it. Once I looked for the heck of it at a housing development where every house sat on between an 1.5 and 2+ acres. It was a requirement for every home to use a geothermal heat pump system.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/14390/harnessing-the-wind/comment-page-1/#comment-93789</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 21:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are 2 less appreciated but more widely available forms of geothermal. One is using the thermal mass of below-surface earth to improve efficiency of heat pumps for cooling and especially heating. A heat pump typically takes heat from outside air in winter and blows it into the house. When it&#039;s very cold, there isn&#039;t much heat to extract from outside air, but the ground just a foot down maintains remarkable consistency in temperature suitable for transferring to tubes of water or antifreeze for use in space heating.

The other, and similar, is to allow the thermal mass of the earth to warm or cool the air entering a house so it needs less heating and cooling. This is accomplished by drawing outside air down to foundation level before bringing it into the house. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ecofuturesbuilding.com/ppts/Virtual_Tour_files/v3_document.htm?q=taxonomy_menu/1/26/28&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s an example.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are 2 less appreciated but more widely available forms of geothermal. One is using the thermal mass of below-surface earth to improve efficiency of heat pumps for cooling and especially heating. A heat pump typically takes heat from outside air in winter and blows it into the house. When it&#8217;s very cold, there isn&#8217;t much heat to extract from outside air, but the ground just a foot down maintains remarkable consistency in temperature suitable for transferring to tubes of water or antifreeze for use in space heating.</p>
<p>The other, and similar, is to allow the thermal mass of the earth to warm or cool the air entering a house so it needs less heating and cooling. This is accomplished by drawing outside air down to foundation level before bringing it into the house. <a href="http://www.ecofuturesbuilding.com/ppts/Virtual_Tour_files/v3_document.htm?q=taxonomy_menu/1/26/28" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s an example.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Satterfield</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/14390/harnessing-the-wind/comment-page-1/#comment-93776</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 20:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The geothermal energy article strikes me as consistent with other things I&#039;ve read about it. It also reminds me of how important it would be if we could achieve some breakthroughs in energy transmission capabilities. Just think of using geothermal if we could get the energy from locations near Yellowstone where the heat is much closer to the surface and distribute it to cities on the West Coast and Midwest efficiently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The geothermal energy article strikes me as consistent with other things I&#8217;ve read about it. It also reminds me of how important it would be if we could achieve some breakthroughs in energy transmission capabilities. Just think of using geothermal if we could get the energy from locations near Yellowstone where the heat is much closer to the surface and distribute it to cities on the West Coast and Midwest efficiently.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/14390/harnessing-the-wind/comment-page-1/#comment-93767</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 18:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always, the utilities that hold monopoly power over the generation and distribution of electricity must be carefully monitored, that is, regulated, if the potential for green energy is to be realized. The utilities have not been friends to the environment, and they could be doing far more to enhance our move toward the realization of increased use of alternative energy options.

An excellent case in point is our own utility, Xcel. Their Wind Source program reached an important and critical tipping point last year. Because of the increasing cost of carbon based fuels, wind energy actually became less expensive than coal and natural gas, for the production of electricity. Because of this, those who had signed up for the program, including myself (100%), were receiving a discount on electricity, rather than a surcharge. This generated some highly positive publicity for Xcel, and resulted in a waiting list of companies and individuals wanting to sign up for the program. Unfortunately, but perfectly consistent for the utility industry, Xcel successfully petitioned our Public Utilities Commission to artificially inflate the cost of wind power, because &quot;our customers expect to pay more for alternative energy.&quot;

A highly profitable utility that could have become an environmental hero, chose instead to continue its decades-long pursuit of environmental villainy. Of course, our Public Utilities Commission shares the blame, but as with so much else in government today, that regulatory body has been stacked with industry friendly allies, rather than with knowledgeable experts working for the public good.

Once again, this underscores the vital need for government regulation to assure that the public interest is the highest priority of our government, and that we are applying incentives to move us in the direction we need to go and which the public widely supports. In this case, actual market forces were providing the most powerful incentive in many years, to decrease our reliance on carbon based fuels, and our emissions of greenhouse gases and other pollutants. And once again the all too cozy relationship between industry and government crushed this incentive. Meanwhile,Xcel built a massive coal-fired power plant, at their rate payers expense, which they now admit they do not need to provide power for Colorado. As a result, Colorado ratepayers are defrauded, while the utility gets a free power plant from which to sell power to those in other states who did not finance the building or operation of the power plant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, the utilities that hold monopoly power over the generation and distribution of electricity must be carefully monitored, that is, regulated, if the potential for green energy is to be realized. The utilities have not been friends to the environment, and they could be doing far more to enhance our move toward the realization of increased use of alternative energy options.</p>
<p>An excellent case in point is our own utility, Xcel. Their Wind Source program reached an important and critical tipping point last year. Because of the increasing cost of carbon based fuels, wind energy actually became less expensive than coal and natural gas, for the production of electricity. Because of this, those who had signed up for the program, including myself (100%), were receiving a discount on electricity, rather than a surcharge. This generated some highly positive publicity for Xcel, and resulted in a waiting list of companies and individuals wanting to sign up for the program. Unfortunately, but perfectly consistent for the utility industry, Xcel successfully petitioned our Public Utilities Commission to artificially inflate the cost of wind power, because &#8220;our customers expect to pay more for alternative energy.&#8221;</p>
<p>A highly profitable utility that could have become an environmental hero, chose instead to continue its decades-long pursuit of environmental villainy. Of course, our Public Utilities Commission shares the blame, but as with so much else in government today, that regulatory body has been stacked with industry friendly allies, rather than with knowledgeable experts working for the public good.</p>
<p>Once again, this underscores the vital need for government regulation to assure that the public interest is the highest priority of our government, and that we are applying incentives to move us in the direction we need to go and which the public widely supports. In this case, actual market forces were providing the most powerful incentive in many years, to decrease our reliance on carbon based fuels, and our emissions of greenhouse gases and other pollutants. And once again the all too cozy relationship between industry and government crushed this incentive. Meanwhile,Xcel built a massive coal-fired power plant, at their rate payers expense, which they now admit they do not need to provide power for Colorado. As a result, Colorado ratepayers are defrauded, while the utility gets a free power plant from which to sell power to those in other states who did not finance the building or operation of the power plant.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/14390/harnessing-the-wind/comment-page-1/#comment-93759</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry.
I meant to say, good for you JEREMY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry.<br />
I meant to say, good for you JEREMY!</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As soon as this program is approved, Iâ€™ll be signing up. &quot;

Good for you, Jason!
Congratulations on making an excellent decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As soon as this program is approved, Iâ€™ll be signing up. &#8221;</p>
<p>Good for you, Jason!<br />
Congratulations on making an excellent decision.</p>
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		<title>By: sootytern</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/14390/harnessing-the-wind/comment-page-1/#comment-93753</link>
		<dc:creator>sootytern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 16:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 7 or 8 million dollars to drill a well is far less than the cost of constructing a nuclear or coal powered plant.  Granted that is just the beginning because of the need to construct the other infrastructure.  I would think that the actual costs between geothermal and coal/nuclear would be very close to the same.  There are additional costs to coal/nuclear that must be added in, in addition.  For coal:  the railroad lines, mines, and environmental pollution mus also be factored in.  For nuclear:  the mines and costs of storage for the spent fuel must be considered.
     Therefore, geothermal power doesn&#039;t look that bad.  I would like to see a full cost analysis between the different systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 7 or 8 million dollars to drill a well is far less than the cost of constructing a nuclear or coal powered plant.  Granted that is just the beginning because of the need to construct the other infrastructure.  I would think that the actual costs between geothermal and coal/nuclear would be very close to the same.  There are additional costs to coal/nuclear that must be added in, in addition.  For coal:  the railroad lines, mines, and environmental pollution mus also be factored in.  For nuclear:  the mines and costs of storage for the spent fuel must be considered.<br />
     Therefore, geothermal power doesn&#8217;t look that bad.  I would like to see a full cost analysis between the different systems.</p>
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		<title>By: mikkel</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/14390/harnessing-the-wind/comment-page-1/#comment-93750</link>
		<dc:creator>mikkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 16:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of alternative power, does any one know much &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070804/ap_on_sc/drilling_for_heat_2;_ylt=Ar8kNtlfnaEFMUbWOvyPtR0E1vAI&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;about this geothermic setup?&lt;/a&gt; Now the article is from a newspaper, which always get science wrong, but if the numbers they are quoting are accurate and there is as little downside as they claim....well, there&#039;s no reason not to do it tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of alternative power, does any one know much <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070804/ap_on_sc/drilling_for_heat_2;_ylt=Ar8kNtlfnaEFMUbWOvyPtR0E1vAI" rel="nofollow">about this geothermic setup?</a> Now the article is from a newspaper, which always get science wrong, but if the numbers they are quoting are accurate and there is as little downside as they claim&#8230;.well, there&#8217;s no reason not to do it tomorrow.</p>
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