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		<title>By: grognard</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/14008/iraq-lets-pray-for-number-seven/comment-page-1/#comment-90573</link>
		<dc:creator>grognard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starts out as 5, low level Shiite infighting become an all out grab for power between the factions. The Kurds manage to maintain order, partly out of fear of Turkey, and secure their borders [after making sure they have total control of the nearby oil fields]. The Sunnis form enclaves to fend off Shiite attacks coming out of Baghdad.   

Iran uses influence and threats to unify the Shiites into a state, initially without the Sunni areas. The Kurds make peace with Iran to keep their autonomy, and serve as a buffer state. With the internal problems solved the Shiites go after the Sunni areas as being rightfully part of Iraq, the situation turns into 2.  The US stays out of it other than a warning that any attempt by Iran to invade Saudi Arabia or Kuwait will trigger a war over oil.  Millions die before the exhausted parties make peace, the only good news is that with all of the terrorist attacks coming from both sides radical Islam losses itâ€˜s appeal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starts out as 5, low level Shiite infighting become an all out grab for power between the factions. The Kurds manage to maintain order, partly out of fear of Turkey, and secure their borders [after making sure they have total control of the nearby oil fields]. The Sunnis form enclaves to fend off Shiite attacks coming out of Baghdad.   </p>
<p>Iran uses influence and threats to unify the Shiites into a state, initially without the Sunni areas. The Kurds make peace with Iran to keep their autonomy, and serve as a buffer state. With the internal problems solved the Shiites go after the Sunni areas as being rightfully part of Iraq, the situation turns into 2.  The US stays out of it other than a warning that any attempt by Iran to invade Saudi Arabia or Kuwait will trigger a war over oil.  Millions die before the exhausted parties make peace, the only good news is that with all of the terrorist attacks coming from both sides radical Islam losses itâ€˜s appeal.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You okay Austin Roth? Your last comment seems to be in very bad taste.

There are miles between a prediction and a wish/hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You okay Austin Roth? Your last comment seems to be in very bad taste.</p>
<p>There are miles between a prediction and a wish/hope.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris - of course you would think that.

Why don&#039;t you come clean, be intellectually honest, and admit it is what you are hoping for, despite the human suffering it would cause, just so you could go &#039;neener-neener-neener&#039; at the Bush administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8211; of course you would think that.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you come clean, be intellectually honest, and admit it is what you are hoping for, despite the human suffering it would cause, just so you could go &#8216;neener-neener-neener&#8217; at the Bush administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m gonna say number 5 seems the most likely in the short term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gonna say number 5 seems the most likely in the short term.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah! You are slow to the draw Shaun. I linked to this in Michael&#039;s &#039;Reality Check&#039; post at 6:10 AM (TMV time)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah! You are slow to the draw Shaun. I linked to this in Michael&#8217;s &#8216;Reality Check&#8217; post at 6:10 AM (TMV time)</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DLS Did you Google the Iraqis version of Thomas to check on the votes on bills that were part of the benchmarks. Our government is equally guilty of &quot;reporting&quot; just as in Vietnam. The Whitehouse won&#039;t even release a report on Iraqis security readiness. Here is the complete posting on this from the CunningRealist, please go to the actual site and read.
http://cunningrealist.blogspot.com/2007/07/training-days.html
&lt;blockquote&gt; Training Days
One of the themes getting traction from the occupation&#039;s remaining supporters is the &quot;increasing effectiveness&quot; of Iraqi troops. As straws go, this one&#039;s good for grasping. But it&#039;s a curious claim. Those making it must have incredible sources, since the hard data on Iraqi troop readiness has been classified since 2005. Earlier this year, the U.S. government&#039;s top internal auditor tried to get a statutorily-required update from the Bush administration. Here&#039;s what happened.

posted by The Cunning Realist at Tuesday, July 10, 2007&lt;/blockquote&gt;

CR links to this story:
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0107/011707m1.htm
&lt;blockquote&gt;Defense reluctant to share data on Iraqi troop readiness
By Jenny Mandel jmandel@govexec.com January 17, 2007

The Defense Department has resisted auditors&#039; efforts to obtain data on the military readiness of U.S.-trained Iraqi troops, according to a senior government official.

Comptroller General David M. Walker told audience members at a Government Executive breakfast Wednesday that Defense has not complied with repeated Government Accountability Office requests for evaluations of Iraqi troop preparedness, known as transitional readiness assessments. The Pentagon develops those evaluations for Iraqi and U.S. forces, Walker said, and has a statutory obligation to release them to GAO.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
How many times have we gotten different versions of Iraqis troop rediness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DLS Did you Google the Iraqis version of Thomas to check on the votes on bills that were part of the benchmarks. Our government is equally guilty of &#8220;reporting&#8221; just as in Vietnam. The Whitehouse won&#8217;t even release a report on Iraqis security readiness. Here is the complete posting on this from the CunningRealist, please go to the actual site and read.<br />
<a href="http://cunningrealist.blogspot.com/2007/07/training-days.html" rel="nofollow">http://cunningrealist.blogspot.com/2007/07/training-days.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p> Training Days<br />
One of the themes getting traction from the occupation&#8217;s remaining supporters is the &#8220;increasing effectiveness&#8221; of Iraqi troops. As straws go, this one&#8217;s good for grasping. But it&#8217;s a curious claim. Those making it must have incredible sources, since the hard data on Iraqi troop readiness has been classified since 2005. Earlier this year, the U.S. government&#8217;s top internal auditor tried to get a statutorily-required update from the Bush administration. Here&#8217;s what happened.</p>
<p>posted by The Cunning Realist at Tuesday, July 10, 2007</p></blockquote>
<p>CR links to this story:<br />
<a href="http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0107/011707m1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0107/011707m1.htm</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Defense reluctant to share data on Iraqi troop readiness<br />
By Jenny Mandel <a href="mailto:jmandel@govexec.com">jmandel@govexec.com</a> January 17, 2007</p>
<p>The Defense Department has resisted auditors&#8217; efforts to obtain data on the military readiness of U.S.-trained Iraqi troops, according to a senior government official.</p>
<p>Comptroller General David M. Walker told audience members at a Government Executive breakfast Wednesday that Defense has not complied with repeated Government Accountability Office requests for evaluations of Iraqi troop preparedness, known as transitional readiness assessments. The Pentagon develops those evaluations for Iraqi and U.S. forces, Walker said, and has a statutory obligation to release them to GAO.</p></blockquote>
<p>How many times have we gotten different versions of Iraqis troop rediness?</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;DLS:&lt;/em&gt;

So I presume that you choose Scenario No. 8?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>DLS:</em></p>
<p>So I presume that you choose Scenario No. 8?</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the bright side.  At least we don&#039;t have low-life &quot;student&quot; scum conducting violent &quot;protests&quot; and burning down college campuses, or sending materiel to the enemy, as was done in Vietnam.  (The moment the first package with the label saying &quot;a gift to you from your friends at Berkeley College&quot; was found, the military should have stormed the campus, identified and seized the offenders, and executed them publicly on college grounds.)

Unfortunately, we still cannot trust the media to report the true situation in Iraq accurately or honestly.  That hasn&#039;t changed since Vietnam (except when Democrats were in the White House), though hopefully it&#039;s not as bad now as it was then.  (We don&#039;t encounter, outside the media, a lot of anger among the soldiers in Iraq about how things are being reported.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the bright side.  At least we don&#8217;t have low-life &#8220;student&#8221; scum conducting violent &#8220;protests&#8221; and burning down college campuses, or sending materiel to the enemy, as was done in Vietnam.  (The moment the first package with the label saying &#8220;a gift to you from your friends at Berkeley College&#8221; was found, the military should have stormed the campus, identified and seized the offenders, and executed them publicly on college grounds.)</p>
<p>Unfortunately, we still cannot trust the media to report the true situation in Iraq accurately or honestly.  That hasn&#8217;t changed since Vietnam (except when Democrats were in the White House), though hopefully it&#8217;s not as bad now as it was then.  (We don&#8217;t encounter, outside the media, a lot of anger among the soldiers in Iraq about how things are being reported.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just Kissinger redux and 1969. W&lt;strike&gt;Nixon&lt;/strike&gt; wants &quot;peace with honor&quot; and &quot;victory in Vietnam&quot;, tells the public the same while Kissinger works in the backround. The US loses 30,000 more dead to delay the fall of South Vietnam six years later. This Iraqis government isn&#039;t anymore legitimate than South Vietnam of the late 60&#039;s and early 70&#039;s. Sistani and the Shia played us for fools, they now have a Shia led majority that Saddam brutalized. Now, both Shia and Sunnis, use drills and rape to continue the Saddam model.
A three state republic might have worked during the CPA days, now a breakup like India/East Pakistan/West Pakistan may repeat and we can do nothing. But India didn&#039;t have Iran/Jordan and Saudis to either mediate or join the blood shed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just Kissinger redux and 1969. W<strike>Nixon</strike> wants &#8220;peace with honor&#8221; and &#8220;victory in Vietnam&#8221;, tells the public the same while Kissinger works in the backround. The US loses 30,000 more dead to delay the fall of South Vietnam six years later. This Iraqis government isn&#8217;t anymore legitimate than South Vietnam of the late 60&#8217;s and early 70&#8217;s. Sistani and the Shia played us for fools, they now have a Shia led majority that Saddam brutalized. Now, both Shia and Sunnis, use drills and rape to continue the Saddam model.<br />
A three state republic might have worked during the CPA days, now a breakup like India/East Pakistan/West Pakistan may repeat and we can do nothing. But India didn&#8217;t have Iran/Jordan and Saudis to either mediate or join the blood shed.</p>
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