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	<title>Comments on: Now Florida State GOP Rep. Robert &#8220;Bob&#8221; Allen Is In A Sex Scandal</title>
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		<title>By: VeronicasLore.com &#187; Redefining Freedom</title>
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		<dc:creator>VeronicasLore.com &#187; Redefining Freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I for Murtha I was referring to the new evidence of him steering contracts to cronies and families in the past 2 -3 years.

Ancient history is just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I for Murtha I was referring to the new evidence of him steering contracts to cronies and families in the past 2 -3 years.</p>
<p>Ancient history is just that.</p>
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		<title>By: Bones_708</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bones_708</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK everyone knows we are talking about a small time state politician right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK everyone knows we are talking about a small time state politician right?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AR - I assume you are referring to the abscam thing w/ Murtha.
So, I shall see your Murtha and raise you a McCain (S&amp;L).
I&#039;m not that great at poker, and my political history is pretty weak as I&#039;ve only really been following politics for a few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AR &#8211; I assume you are referring to the abscam thing w/ Murtha.<br />
So, I shall see your Murtha and raise you a McCain (S&#038;L).<br />
I&#8217;m not that great at poker, and my political history is pretty weak as I&#8217;ve only really been following politics for a few years.</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Sam. The GOP knows it can&#039;t offer middle-American white voters anything economically, so they pander to their socially conservative values on abortion, flag-burning, gay marriage and putting God back into the public square. Yet many of them, like Vitter, can talk the talk, but can&#039;t walk the walk, since they&#039;re in reality no more moral than the rest of us sinners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Sam. The GOP knows it can&#8217;t offer middle-American white voters anything economically, so they pander to their socially conservative values on abortion, flag-burning, gay marriage and putting God back into the public square. Yet many of them, like Vitter, can talk the talk, but can&#8217;t walk the walk, since they&#8217;re in reality no more moral than the rest of us sinners.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big names of the GOP(and the chistian right as well to some extent) has a long track record of not just talking about morality but wanting to legislate it as well.  Meanwhile many of their most vocal folks on the topic obviously don&#039;t live up to the same standards in their private lives.   I&#039;m thinking Newt, Rush, Foley, Haggert, Allen,  Vitter, these are people that make their moral values a cornerstone of their politics, as a club to beat over the head of those who disagree with them on any issue.   

To me the type of moral virtues espoused by these men isn&#039;t even relevant to their effectiveness as leaders.    I&#039;d much rather they espouse important civic virtues like honesty, integrity, wisdom, and a sense that its possible to blend both freedom and laws for the common good.   But you never hear such men talk of those things because they are too busy pushing peoples buttons to manipulate them with issues far less important than whats really going on behind closed doors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big names of the GOP(and the chistian right as well to some extent) has a long track record of not just talking about morality but wanting to legislate it as well.  Meanwhile many of their most vocal folks on the topic obviously don&#8217;t live up to the same standards in their private lives.   I&#8217;m thinking Newt, Rush, Foley, Haggert, Allen,  Vitter, these are people that make their moral values a cornerstone of their politics, as a club to beat over the head of those who disagree with them on any issue.   </p>
<p>To me the type of moral virtues espoused by these men isn&#8217;t even relevant to their effectiveness as leaders.    I&#8217;d much rather they espouse important civic virtues like honesty, integrity, wisdom, and a sense that its possible to blend both freedom and laws for the common good.   But you never hear such men talk of those things because they are too busy pushing peoples buttons to manipulate them with issues far less important than whats really going on behind closed doors.</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AR- Now if  I were a Republican I wouldn&#039;t have commented on this thread. Because then I&#039;d have to hear about investigations of Dennis Hastert, Ted Stevens, Rick Renzi, Jerry Lewis and John Doolittle. All are still in office. Now several of these officials are mixed up in Abramoff and Cunningham, but there has been some delay due to turnover of prosecutors under the Bush administration&#039;s DOJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AR- Now if  I were a Republican I wouldn&#8217;t have commented on this thread. Because then I&#8217;d have to hear about investigations of Dennis Hastert, Ted Stevens, Rick Renzi, Jerry Lewis and John Doolittle. All are still in office. Now several of these officials are mixed up in Abramoff and Cunningham, but there has been some delay due to turnover of prosecutors under the Bush administration&#8217;s DOJ.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim B - and what are Jefferson and Murtha doing these days, hmmm?

kimrit - Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim B &#8211; and what are Jefferson and Murtha doing these days, hmmm?</p>
<p>kimrit &#8211; Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: kimrit</title>
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		<dc:creator>kimrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AR- Since Republicans hold their politicians to  a much higher standard (which I still find debatable) are you calling for Sen Vitter to offer up his resignation? He&#039;s probably in rehab, by now, claiming his past  problems were caused by alcholism!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AR- Since Republicans hold their politicians to  a much higher standard (which I still find debatable) are you calling for Sen Vitter to offer up his resignation? He&#8217;s probably in rehab, by now, claiming his past  problems were caused by alcholism!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pelosi asked Jefferson to step down, he declined and tried to offer some terms, she then declined those.  Then when he wouldn&#039;t step down they removed him from his committee - ways and means.

Thought it was roughly mid June when the Dem caucus removed him from the ways/means committee.  I think it had to go to a house vote as well, and it was 99-48 or something like that to remove him.

Now on the part about voters holding their representatives to a higher moral standard, I think that depends on where you are.  Seems to me most of the time when sexual misconduct is found, the perp tends to fade away and not run again.  
I think we could go all day discussing which side is more corrupt/immoral, but after a while it would really just be a draw.  Both sides cover for themselves (foley anyone? condit anyone?), and that won&#039;t change until we have wholesale changes at the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelosi asked Jefferson to step down, he declined and tried to offer some terms, she then declined those.  Then when he wouldn&#8217;t step down they removed him from his committee &#8211; ways and means.</p>
<p>Thought it was roughly mid June when the Dem caucus removed him from the ways/means committee.  I think it had to go to a house vote as well, and it was 99-48 or something like that to remove him.</p>
<p>Now on the part about voters holding their representatives to a higher moral standard, I think that depends on where you are.  Seems to me most of the time when sexual misconduct is found, the perp tends to fade away and not run again.<br />
I think we could go all day discussing which side is more corrupt/immoral, but after a while it would really just be a draw.  Both sides cover for themselves (foley anyone? condit anyone?), and that won&#8217;t change until we have wholesale changes at the top.</p>
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		<title>By: Bring It On! News From The Southeast &#187; Another Republican Sex Scandal Emerges and has Ties to Senator McCain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bring It On! News From The Southeast &#187; Another Republican Sex Scandal Emerges and has Ties to Senator McCain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rep. Robert &#8220;Bob&#8221; Allen, R-Merritt Island, was arrestedÂ ye sterday for alleged solicitation of oral sex from an undercover male [...]</description>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Delay was never re-elected after his indictments, and in fact resigned the Majority Leader position when indicted, and then didn&#039;t run for re-election.

Bob Ney resigned 2 1/2 weeks after the guilty plea. Hardly &#039;serving&#039;, but true he didn&#039;t resign as quickly as he should have.

Scooter was never elected to any office, and that just occurred, so any fallout is not yet known.

So, now provide the list of Democrats that fell on their swords when confronted with proof of their malfeasances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Delay was never re-elected after his indictments, and in fact resigned the Majority Leader position when indicted, and then didn&#8217;t run for re-election.</p>
<p>Bob Ney resigned 2 1/2 weeks after the guilty plea. Hardly &#8216;serving&#8217;, but true he didn&#8217;t resign as quickly as he should have.</p>
<p>Scooter was never elected to any office, and that just occurred, so any fallout is not yet known.</p>
<p>So, now provide the list of Democrats that fell on their swords when confronted with proof of their malfeasances.</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;I have a slightly different take. Republican voters hold their leaders to higher moral standards than Democratic voters.&#039;

If that&#039;s true, why was Tom Delay reelected so many times? Why did Bob Ney serve in Congress even AFTER his guilty plea? Why were conservatives pushing for a full pardon for Scooter Libby after his felony convictions? Whatta joke!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;I have a slightly different take. Republican voters hold their leaders to higher moral standards than Democratic voters.&#8217;</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s true, why was Tom Delay reelected so many times? Why did Bob Ney serve in Congress even AFTER his guilty plea? Why were conservatives pushing for a full pardon for Scooter Libby after his felony convictions? Whatta joke!</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a slightly different take. Republican voters hold their leaders to higher moral standards than Democratic voters.

That leads to both the need to be a hypocrite if you want to run as a Republican, but have peccadilloes (as most of us do), and the subsequent rejection by the voters and the party when caught violating those mores.

Democrats are unburdened as a whole by such limits. Heck, they can get caught with hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes in a freezer or steering government contracts to their friends a relatives without fear of losing their office or committee appointments, it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a slightly different take. Republican voters hold their leaders to higher moral standards than Democratic voters.</p>
<p>That leads to both the need to be a hypocrite if you want to run as a Republican, but have peccadilloes (as most of us do), and the subsequent rejection by the voters and the party when caught violating those mores.</p>
<p>Democrats are unburdened as a whole by such limits. Heck, they can get caught with hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes in a freezer or steering government contracts to their friends a relatives without fear of losing their office or committee appointments, it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth is the Republicans have long presented a fake moral front to please the religious right that has taken hold of their party. The Democrats do not have such constraints,  and so at least are not guilty attempting to sanctify marriage or promote abstinence only programs while destroying the institution in private.  That doesn&#039;t excuse adultery or the risk of spreading social diseases that comes from visiting prostitutes, but the hypocrisy level IS lower. 

We need a government that will worry about the real problems that are facing middle-class America- and not concentrate on the war on Christianity,  the inevitability of premarital sex among young people or the death blow that homosexual unions will deal to the institution of marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth is the Republicans have long presented a fake moral front to please the religious right that has taken hold of their party. The Democrats do not have such constraints,  and so at least are not guilty attempting to sanctify marriage or promote abstinence only programs while destroying the institution in private.  That doesn&#8217;t excuse adultery or the risk of spreading social diseases that comes from visiting prostitutes, but the hypocrisy level IS lower. </p>
<p>We need a government that will worry about the real problems that are facing middle-class America- and not concentrate on the war on Christianity,  the inevitability of premarital sex among young people or the death blow that homosexual unions will deal to the institution of marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: University Update - John McCain - Now Florida State GOP Rep. Robert â€œBobâ€ Allen Is In Sex Scandal</title>
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		<dc:creator>University Update - John McCain - Now Florida State GOP Rep. Robert â€œBobâ€ Allen Is In Sex Scandal</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Burton                       Link to Article                john mccain Now Florida State GOP Rep. Robert â€œBobâ€ Allen Is In Sex Scandal [...]</description>
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