A Bedtime Story for the New Depression, redux

Naturally, given the “too big to fail” banks wild speculation in oil futures, even in the face of over-supply and under-demand, somehow it’s Obama’s fault, according to Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas:

Hutchison also hit the president on the more recent issue of rising gas prices.

“We can’t slow down global demand for oil and gas, but we can do a lot more here at home to assure that we have the energy we need and to halt skyrocketing costs,” she said. “But President Obama’s policy has resulted in an unprecedented slowdown in new exploration and production of oil and gas.”

Which is (you guessed it) utterly FALSE. Domestic production has far surpassed Bush the Dumber levels, and continues to grow.

Return with us to those thrilling days of yesteryear, or September 29, 2008, as we watched the speculators wrecking the US economy:

Associated Press: “Fear swept across the financial markets on Monday, sending the Dow Jones industrials down as much as 705 points, after the government’s financial bailout package failed in the House….”

I’ve been looking for the story that follows since I first read it in 1972. For obvious reasons, I thought it was written by Upton Sinclair, but thanks to the magic of those internets tubes, I found it in public domain, by Frank Norris. (You can download the entire collection from Project Gutenberg HERE.)

So, in honor of today’s “Black Monday” on Wall Street, September 29, 2008,* exactly one month shy of the 79th Anniversary of the Great Crash of Black Tuesday of October 29, 1929, I’m reprinting it here for your enjoyment.

[* In case you haven't been paying attention:

House Rejects Bailout Package, 228-205; Stocks Plunge
The New York Times (42 minutes ago)
By CARL HULSE and DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
Published: September 29, 2008
WASHINGTON — In a moment of historic import in the Capitol and on Wall Street, the House of Representatives voted on Monday to reject a $700 billion rescue of the financial industry. The vote came in stunning defiance of President Bush and Congressional leaders of both parties, who said the bailout was needed to prevent a widespread financial collapse.

The vote against the measure was 228 to 205, with 133 Republicans joining 95 Democrats in opposition. The bill was backed by 140 Democrats and 65 Republicans.

Supporters vowed to try to bring the rescue package up for consideration again as soon as possible, perhaps late Wednesday or Thursday, but there were no definite plans to do so.

Stock markets plunged as it appeared that the measure would go down to defeat, and kept slumping into the afternoon when that appearance became a reality. By late afternoon the Dow industrials had fallen more than 5 percent, and other indexes even more sharply. Oil prices fell steeply on fears of a global recession; investors bid up prices of Treasury securities and gold in a flight to safety. House leaders pushing for the package kept the voting period open for some 40 minutes past the allotted time, trying to convert “no” votes by pointing to damage being done to the markets, but to no avail....]

Any resemblance to any of our current Wall Street gnomes is entirely ironic. Trust me, you’ll be glad you read it. Honest. And, while this was written 110 years ago, the last paragraph might have been written yesterday …

A Deal in Wheat

by Frank Norris (1870-1902)
[from the collection A Deal in Wheat -- And Other Stories of the New and Old West 1903]


photo & photo illustration © 2008 Hart Williams

I. THE BEAR—WHEAT AT SIXTY-TWO

As Sam Lewiston backed the horse into the shafts of his backboard and began hitching the tugs to the whiffletree, his wife came out from the kitchen door of the house and drew near, and stood for some time at the horse’s head, her arms folded and her apron rolled around them. For a long moment neither spoke. They had talked over the situation so long and so comprehensively the night before that there seemed to be nothing more to say.

The time was late in the summer, the place a ranch in southwestern Kansas, and Lewiston and his wife were two of a vast population of farmers, wheat growers, who at that moment were passing through a crisis—a crisis that at any moment might culminate in tragedy. Wheat was down to sixty-six.

At length Emma Lewiston spoke.

“Well,” she hazarded, looking vaguely out across the ranch toward the horizon, leagues distant; “well, Sam, there’s always that offer of brother Joe’s. We can quit—and go to Chicago—if the worst comes.”

“And give up!” exclaimed Lewiston, running the lines through the torets. “Leave the ranch! Give up! After all these years!”

His wife made no reply for the moment. Lewiston climbed into the buckboard and gathered up the lines. “Well, here goes for the last try, Emmie,” he said. “Good-by, girl. Maybe things will look better in town to-day.”

“Maybe,” she said gravely. She kissed her husband good-by and stood for some time looking after the buckboard traveling toward the town in a moving pillar of dust.

“I don’t know,” she murmured at length; “I don’t know just how we’re going to make out.”

When he reached town, Lewiston tied the horse to the iron railing in front of the Odd Fellows’ Hall, the ground floor of which was occupied by the post-office, and went across the street and up the stairway of a building of brick and granite—quite the most pretentious structure of the town—and knocked at a door upon the first landing. The door was furnished with a pane of frosted glass, on which, in gold letters, was inscribed, “Bridges &Co., Grain Dealers.”

Bridges himself, a middle-aged man who wore a velvet skull-cap and who was smoking a Pittsburg stogie, met the farmer at the counter and the two exchanged perfunctory greetings.

“Well,” said Lewiston, tentatively, after awhile.

“Well, Lewiston,” said the other, “I can’t take that wheat of yours at any better than sixty-two.”

“Sixty-two.”

“It’s the Chicago price that does it, Lewiston. Truslow is bearing the stuff for all he’s worth. It’s Truslow and the bear clique that stick the knife into us. The price broke again this morning. We’ve just got a wire.”

“Good heavens,” murmured Lewiston, looking vaguely from side to side. “That—that ruins me. I can’t carry my grain any longer—what with storage charges and—and—Bridges, I don’t see just how I’m going to make out. Sixty-two cents a bushel! Why, man, what with this and with that it’s cost me nearly a dollar a bushel to raise that wheat, and now Truslow—”

He turned away abruptly with a quick gesture of infinite discouragement.

He went down the stairs, and making his way to where his buckboard was hitched, got in, and, with eyes vacant, the reins slipping and sliding in his limp, half-open hands, drove slowly back to the ranch. His wife had seen him coming, and met him as he drew up before the barn.

“Well?” she demanded.

“Emmie,” he said as he got out of the buckboard, laying his arm across her shoulder, “Emmie, I guess we’ll take up with Joe’s offer. We’ll go to Chicago. We’re cleaned out!”

II. THE BULL—WHEAT AT A DOLLAR-TEN

…——and said Party of the Second Part further covenants and agrees to merchandise such wheat in foreign ports, it being understood and agreed between the Party of the First Part and the Party of the Second Part that the wheat hereinbefore mentioned is released and sold to the Party of the Second Part for export purposes only, and not for consumption or distribution within the boundaries of the United States of America or of Canada.

“Now, Mr. Gates, if you will sign for Mr. Truslow I guess that’ll be all,” remarked Hornung when he had finished reading.

Hornung affixed his signature to the two documents and passed them over to Gates, who signed for his principal and client, Truslow—or, as he had been called ever since he had gone into the fight against Hornung’s corner—the Great Bear. Hornung’s secretary was called in and witnessed the signatures, and Gates thrust the contract into his Gladstone bag and stood up, smoothing his hat.

“You will deliver the warehouse receipts for the grain,” began Gates.

“I’ll send a messenger to Truslow’s office before noon,” interrupted Hornung. “You can pay by certified check through the Illinois Trust people.”

When the other had taken himself off, Hornung sat for some moments gazing abstractedly toward his office windows, thinking over the whole matter. He had just agreed to release to Truslow, at the rate of one dollar and ten cents per bushel, one hundred thousand out of the two million and odd bushels of wheat that he, Hornung, controlled, or actually owned. And for the moment he was wondering if, after all, he had done wisely in not goring the Great Bear to actual financial death. He had made him pay one hundred thousand dollars. Truslow was good for this amount. Would it not have been better to have put a prohibitive figure on the grain and forced the Bear into bankruptcy? True, Hornung would then be without his enemy’s money, but Truslow would have been eliminated from the situation, and that—so Hornung told himself—was always a consummation most devoutly, strenuously and diligently to be striven for. Truslow once dead was dead, but the Bear was never more dangerous than when desperate.

“But so long as he can’t get wheat,” muttered Hornung at the end of his reflections, “he can’t hurt me. And he can’t get it. That I know.”

For Hornung controlled the situation. So far back as the February of that year an “unknown bull” had been making his presence felt on the floor of the Board of Trade. By the middle of March the commercial reports of the daily press had begun to speak of “the powerful bull clique”; a few weeks later that legendary condition of affairs implied and epitomized in the magic words “Dollar Wheat” had been attained, and by the first of April, when the price had been boosted to one dollar and ten cents a bushel, Hornung had disclosed his hand, and in place of mere rumours, the definite and authoritative news that May wheat had been cornered in the Chicago pit went flashing around the world from Liverpool to Odessa and from Duluth to Buenos Aires.

It was—so the veteran operators were persuaded—Truslow himself who had made Hornung’s corner possible. The Great Bear had for once over-reached himself, and, believing himself all-powerful, had hammered the price just the fatal fraction too far down. Wheat had gone to sixty-two—for the time, and under the circumstances, an abnormal price.

When the reaction came it was tremendous. Hornung saw his chance, seized it, and in a few months had turned the tables, had cornered the product, and virtually driven the bear clique out of the pit.

On the same day that the delivery of the hundred thousand bushels was made to Truslow, Hornung met his broker at his lunch club.

“Well,” said the latter, “I see you let go that line of stuff to Truslow.”

Hornung nodded; but the broker added:

“Remember, I was against it from the very beginning. I know we’ve cleared up over a hundred thou’. I would have fifty times preferred to have lost twice that and smashed Truslow dead. Bet you what you like he makes us pay for it somehow.”

“Huh!” grunted his principal. “How about insurance, and warehouse charges, and carrying expenses on that lot? Guess we’d have had to pay those, too, if we’d held on.”

But the other put up his chin, unwilling to be persuaded. “I won’t sleep easy,” he declared, “till Truslow is busted.”

III. THE PIT

Just as Going mounted the steps on the edge of the pit the great gong struck, a roar of a hundred voices developed with the swiftness of successive explosions, the rush of a hundred men surging downward to the center of the pit filled the air with the stamp and grind of feet, a hundred hands in eager strenuous gestures tossed upward from out the brown of the crowd, the official reporter in his cage on the margin of the pit leaned far forward with straining ear to catch the opening bid, and another day of battle was begun.

Since the sale of the hundred thousand bushels of wheat to Truslow the “Hornung crowd” had steadily shouldered the price higher until on this particular morning it stood at one dollar and a half. That was Hornung’s price. No one else had any grain to sell.

But not ten minutes after the opening, Going was surprised out of all countenance to hear shouted from the other side of the pit these words:

“Sell May at one-fifty.”

Going was for the moment touching elbows with Kimbark on one side and with Merriam on the other, all three belonging to the “Hornung crowd.” Their answering challenge of “Sold” was as the voice of one man. They did not pause to reflect upon the strangeness of the circumstance. (That was for afterward.) Their response to the offer was as unconscious, as reflex action and almost as rapid, and before the pit was well aware of what had happened the transaction of one thousand bushels was down upon Going’s trading-card and fifteen hundred dollars had changed hands. But here was a marvel—the whole available supply of wheat cornered, Hornung master of the situation, invincible, unassailable; yet behold a man willing to sell, a Bear bold enough to raise his head.

“That was Kennedy, wasn’t it, who made that offer?” asked Kimbark, as Going noted down the trade—“Kennedy, that new man?”

“Yes; who do you suppose he’s selling for; who’s willing to go short at this stage of the game?”

“Maybe he ain’t short.”

“Short! Great heavens, man; where’d he get the stuff?”

“Blamed if I know. We can account for every handful of May. Steady! Oh, there he goes again.”

“Sell a thousand May at one-fifty,” vociferated the bear-broker, throwing out his hand, one finger raised to indicate the number of “contracts” offered. This time it was evident that he was attacking the Hornung crowd deliberately, for, ignoring the jam of traders that swept toward him, he looked across the pit to where Going and Kimbark were shouting “Sold! Sold!” and nodded his head.

A second time Going made memoranda of the trade, and either the Hornung holdings were increased by two thousand bushels of May wheat or the Hornung bank account swelled by at least three thousand dollars of some unknown short’s money.

Of late—so sure was the bull crowd of its position—no one had even thought of glancing at the inspection sheet on the bulletin board. But now one of Going’s messengers hurried up to him with the announcement that this sheet showed receipts at Chicago for that morning of twenty-five thousand bushels, and not credited to Hornung. Some one had got hold of a line of wheat overlooked by the “clique” and was dumping it upon them.

“Wire the Chief,” said Going over his shoulder to Merriam. This one struggled out of the crowd, and on a telegraph blank scribbled:

“Strong bear movement—New man—Kennedy—Selling in lots of five contracts—Chicago receipts twenty-five thousand.”

The message was dispatched, and in a few moments the answer came back, laconic, of military terseness:

“Support the market.”

And Going obeyed, Merriam and Kimbark following, the new broker fairly throwing the wheat at them in thousand-bushel lots.

“Sell May at ‘fifty; sell May; sell May.” A moment’s indecision, an instant’s hesitation, the first faint suggestion of weakness, and the market would have broken under them. But for the better part of four hours they stood their ground, taking all that was offered, in constant communication with the Chief, and from time to time stimulated and steadied by his brief, unvarying command:

“Support the market.”

At the close of the session they had bought in the twenty-five thousand bushels of May. Hornung’s position was as stable as a rock, and the price closed even with the opening figure—one dollar and a half.

But the morning’s work was the talk of all La Salle Street. Who was back of the raid?

What was the meaning of this unexpected selling? For weeks the pit trading had been merely nominal. Truslow, the Great Bear, from whom the most serious attack might have been expected, had gone to his country seat at Geneva Lake, in Wisconsin, declaring himself to be out of the market entirely. He went bass-fishing every day.

IV. THE BELT LINE

On a certain day toward the middle of the month, at a time when the mysterious Bear had unloaded some eighty thousand bushels upon Hornung, a conference was held in the library of Hornung’s home. His broker attended it, and also a clean-faced, bright-eyed individual whose name of Cyrus Ryder might have been found upon the pay-roll of a rather well-known detective agency. For upward of half an hour after the conference began the detective spoke, the other two listening attentively, gravely.

“Then, last of all,” concluded Ryder, “I made out I was a hobo, and began stealing rides on the Belt Line Railroad. Know the road? It just circles Chicago. Truslow owns it. Yes? Well, then I began to catch on. I noticed that cars of certain numbers—thirty-one nought thirty-four, thirty-two one ninety—well, the numbers don’t matter, but anyhow, these cars were always switched onto the sidings by Mr. Truslow’s main elevator D soon as they came in. The wheat was shunted in, and they were pulled out again. Well, I spotted one car and stole a ride on her. Say, look here, that car went right around the city on the Belt, and came back to D again, and the same wheat in her all the time. The grain was reinspected—it was raw, I tell you—and the warehouse receipts made out just as though the stuff had come in from Kansas or Iowa.”

“The same wheat all the time!” interrupted Hornung.

“The same wheat—your wheat, that you sold to Truslow.”

“Great snakes!” ejaculated Hornung’s broker. “Truslow never took it abroad at all.”

“Took it abroad! Say, he’s just been running it around Chicago, like the supers in ‘Shenandoah,’ round an’ round, so you’d think it was a new lot, an’ selling it back to you again.”

“No wonder we couldn’t account for so much wheat.”

“Bought it from us at one-ten, and made us buy it back—our own wheat—at one-fifty.”

Hornung and his broker looked at each other in silence for a moment. Then all at once Hornung struck the arm of his chair with his fist and exploded in a roar of laughter. The broker stared for one bewildered moment, then followed his example.

“Sold! Sold!” shouted Hornung almost gleefully. “Upon my soul it’s as good as a Gilbert and Sullivan show. And we—Oh, Lord! Billy, shake on it, and hats off to my distinguished friend, Truslow. He’ll be President some day. Hey! What? Prosecute him? Not I.”

“He’s done us out of a neat hatful of dollars for all that,” observed the broker, suddenly grave.

“Billy, it’s worth the price.”

“We’ve got to make it up somehow.”

“Well, tell you what. We were going to boost the price to one seventy-five next week, and make that our settlement figure.”

“Can’t do it now. Can’t afford it.”

“No. Here; we’ll let out a big link; we’ll put wheat at two dollars, and let it go at that.”

“Two it is, then,” said the broker.

V. THE BREAD LINE

The street was very dark and absolutely deserted. It was a district on the “South Side,” not far from the Chicago River, given up largely to wholesale stores, and after nightfall was empty of all life. The echoes slept but lightly hereabouts, and the slightest footfall, the faintest noise, woke them upon the instant and sent them clamouring up and down the length of the pavement between the iron shuttered fronts. The only light visible came from the side door of a certain “Vienna” bakery, where at one o’clock in the morning loaves of bread were given away to any who should ask. Every evening about nine o’clock the outcasts began to gather about the side door. The stragglers came in rapidly, and the line—the “bread line,” as it was called—began to form. By midnight it was usually some hundred yards in length, stretching almost the entire length of the block.

Toward ten in the evening, his coat collar turned up against the fine drizzle that pervaded the air, his hands in his pockets, his elbows gripping his sides, Sam Lewiston came up and silently took his place at the end of the line.

Unable to conduct his farm upon a paying basis at the time when Truslow, the “Great Bear,” had sent the price of grain down to sixty-two cents a bushel, Lewiston had turned over his entire property to his creditors, and, leaving Kansas for good, had abandoned farming, and had left his wife at her sister’s boarding-house in Topeka with the understanding that she was to join him in Chicago so soon as he had found a steady job. Then he had come to Chicago and had turned workman. His brother Joe conducted a small hat factory on Archer Avenue, and for a time he found there a meager employment. But difficulties had occurred, times were bad, the hat factory was involved in debts, the repealing of a certain import duty on manufactured felt overcrowded the home market with cheap Belgian and French products, and in the end his brother had assigned and gone to Milwaukee.

Thrown out of work, Lewiston drifted aimlessly about Chicago, from pillar to post, working a little, earning here a dollar, there a dime, but always sinking, sinking, till at last the ooze of the lowest bottom dragged at his feet and the rush of the great ebb went over him and engulfed him and shut him out from the light, and a park bench became his home and the “bread line” his chief makeshift of subsistence.

He stood now in the enfolding drizzle, sodden, stupefied with fatigue. Before and behind stretched the line. There was no talking. There was no sound. The street was empty. It was so still that the passing of a cable-car in the adjoining thoroughfare grated like prolonged rolling explosions, beginning and ending at immeasurable distances. The drizzle descended incessantly. After a long time midnight struck.

There was something ominous and gravely impressive in this interminable line of dark figures, close-pressed, soundless; a crowd, yet absolutely still; a close-packed, silent file, waiting, waiting in the vast deserted night-ridden street; waiting without a word, without a movement, there under the night and under the slow-moving mists of rain.

Few in the crowd were professional beggars. Most of them were workmen, long since out of work, forced into idleness by long-continued “hard times,” by ill luck, by sickness. To them the “bread line” was a godsend. At least they could not starve. Between jobs here in the end was something to hold them up—a small platform, as it were, above the sweep of black water, where for a moment they might pause and take breath before the plunge.

The period of waiting on this night of rain seemed endless to those silent, hungry men; but at length there was a stir. The line moved. The side door opened. Ah, at last! They were going to hand out the bread.

But instead of the usual white-aproned under-cook with his crowded hampers there now appeared in the doorway a new man—a young fellow who looked like a bookkeeper’s assistant. He bore in his hand a placard, which he tacked to the outside of the door. Then he disappeared within the bakery, locking the door after him.

A shudder of poignant despair, an unformed, inarticulate sense of calamity, seemed to run from end to end of the line. What had happened? Those in the rear, unable to read the placard, surged forward, a sense of bitter disappointment clutching at their hearts.

The line broke up, disintegrated into a shapeless throng—a throng that crowded forward and collected in front of the shut door whereon the placard was affixed. Lewiston, with the others, pushed forward. On the placard he read these words:

“Owing to the fact that the price of grain has been increased to two dollars a bushel, there will be no distribution of bread from this bakery until further notice.”

Lewiston turned away, dumb, bewildered. Till morning he walked the streets, going on without purpose, without direction. But now at last his luck had turned. Overnight the wheel of his fortunes had creaked and swung upon its axis, and before noon he had found a job in the street-cleaning brigade. In the course of time he rose to be first shift-boss, then deputy inspector, then inspector, promoted to the dignity of driving in a red wagon with rubber tires and drawing a salary instead of mere wages. The wife was sent for and a new start made.

But Lewiston never forgot. Dimly he began to see the significance of things. Caught once in the cogs and wheels of a great and terrible engine, he had seen—none better—its workings. Of all the men who had vainly stood in the “bread line” on that rainy night in early summer, he, perhaps, had been the only one who had struggled up to the surface again. How many others had gone down in the great ebb? Grim question; he dared not think how many.

He had seen the two ends of a great wheat operation—a battle between Bear and Bull. The stories (subsequently published in the city’s press) of Truslow’s countermove in selling Hornung his own wheat, supplied the unseen section. The farmer—he who raised the wheat—was ruined upon one hand; the working-man—he who consumed it—was ruined upon the other. But between the two, the great operators, who never saw the wheat they traded in, bought and sold the world’s food, gambled in the nourishment of entire nations, practised their tricks, their chicanery and oblique shifty “deals,” were reconciled in their differences, and went on through their appointed way, jovial, contented, enthroned, and unassailable.

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If you need some longer reading, you can download Upton Sinclair’s seminal 1902 muckracking novel about the horrors of the unregulated Chicago slaughterhouses, The Jungle, HERE.

Courage.

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UPDATE 2:49 PM PDT 09-29-08: According to Shepard Smith on Faux Nooz Radio, the market closed down 778 points, the largest single one-day loss in US history. (Probably not adjusted for inflation).

Remember, I said this was coming last March on March 14, 2008:

But, I predict, there are too many dikes and not enough fingers. You might want to get some cash out of your bank account, just for buying groceries and such, if you get my drift.

and again on St. Patrick’s Day, 2008:

Can the Fed and the big Wall Street players stem the tide? Or are the dikes so eroded that all the fingers in the world can’t stop a massive collapse? No one knows: that’s what you need to keep in mind.

Economics is often called “the Dismal Science,” but never moreso than today.

Let’s all hope that the check-kiting Wizards of Finance and our New Robber Barons know how to stem the flood

Let’s see. That was the day I broke the news about the presaging of a financial collapse, from the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis’ “Non Borrowed Resources of Depository Institutions” chart (“Holeeeeeeeeeeee Crap!“, March 17, 2008):


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It was NOT the day I explained WHAT was happening to our currency, “Don’t Give a Damn About a Greenback Dollar.” That was January 2, 2008.

And it wasn’t the day I noted the precipitous decline in the value of the dollar since Bush took office – months ahead of the “legitimate” news media and the rest of the blogosphere. That was “The Dow Which Is Being Spoken Is Not The True Dow” July 25, 2007.

As Walter Brennan used to say in “The Real McCoys”: No brag. Just fact.

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A writer, published author, novelist, literary critic and political observer for a quarter of a quarter-century more than a quarter-century, Hart Williams has lived in the American West for his entire life. Having grown up in Wyoming, Kansas and New Mexico, a survivor of Texas and a veteran of Hollywood, Mr. Williams currently lives in Oregon, along with an astonishing amount of pollen. He has a lively blog His Vorpal Sword. This is cross-posted from his blog.

Author: HART WILLIAMS, Guest Voice Columnist

A writer, published author, novelist, literary critic and political observer for a quarter of a quarter-century more than a quarter-century, Hart Williams has lived in the American West for his entire life. Having grown up in Wyoming, Kansas and New Mexico, a survivor of Texas and a veteran of Hollywood, Mr. Williams currently lives in Oregon, along with an astonishing amount of pollen. He has a lively blog, His Vorpal Sword (no spaces) dot com.

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  1. Gas prices are latest bogus issue to lay at Obama’s doorstep. Any damn fool knows it’s the oil companies who control gas prices, not the president, and the oil companies would much rather see a republican in office. Connect the dots.

  2. rudi, production is high now BECAUSE of Bush’s actions in approving additional drilling. It takes years from official start to get oil flowing, so Obama really should not take any credit for our increased oil output (you know WHO did it).

    The WH can put presure on any industry, and he should “talk” to the oil companies that are shipping the refined products derived from “friendly” Venezuelan imports (the U.S. is their biggest customer)overseas and diverting more for U.S. use.

    BTW: “Though Chavez has threatened to stop exporting Venezuelan oil and refined petroleum products to the United States, its biggest oil-trading partner, experts say a significant short-term shift in oil relations between Venezuela and the United States is unlikely.”
    http://www.cfr.org/economics/v.....omy/p12089

    Tell me again why Keystone, with Candian crude, was such a bad idea. Is it better to deal with countries that hate us (Chavez and Iran’s Ahmadinejad-cute couple)?

  3. dduck, your endless, whining sophistry is getting extremely annoying tedious.

    Sometime try arguing fair and square. Not just hannutty (sic) talking points. OK? OK.

  4. It will be my plesure to ignore your insulting manner.

  5. dduck: The pipeline was going to leak (that was the official term–not might–would). Given that it has already leaked numerous times (including a 23,000 gallon one), I have a funny feeling that shipping 3 million barrels a day across that much of the U. S. waterways would be a catastrophe waiting to happen. Meanwhile, it would produce maybe 200 permanent jobs. Most of the oil was scheduled to be EXPORTED, not sold in the U. S.

    We would not even receive customs duties for the stuff going across our land. That SUCKS.

  6. Sorry, RC, I think it is better to deal with Canada, than a country led by a Chavez. Every president has said: and we don’t want to be dependent on oil from overseas. Are they all full of it.
    P.S. Tankers also can leak. There is over a million gallons a day traversing the Caribbean, couldn’t an accident happen, or could he slow or stop shipments to the U.S. Just sayin.
    Energy consumption is up all over the world as populations continue to grow exponentially, so if the oil companies need more oil to convert to refined products to sell overseas, a strong president with the leverage of regulation and such could “persuade” the oil companies that refine to divert a higher percentage for U.S. use.

    Punting, does not help, we need a better energy policy, including accelerating nukes.

  7. What’s fascinating, dduck, is that you have decided to take the discussion in a direction that has nothing to do with the post.

    And hilarious, in light of your earlier contention that the economic problems WEREN’T Bush’s fault (or not that much). You can have it one way or the other, but not both.

    But address the issue of speculation, since that was the point of the post. If not, your comments will be moderated as “off topic.”

  8. What is even more interesting, is that I am RESPONDING to the first two commenters, especially rudi.
    I made no such contention about Bush, please read carefully, perhaps even quote what you are talking about.
    BTW: When Bush was in there was a heap of MSM criticism of him, some personalized (four times frequency of the ones curently) when gas prices spiked in 2008.
    To, be clear, I don’t give a flying f*** what you think I said, this is a critical, non-partisan issue for me, we have a big energy problem and I want a stronger, better policy.
    By all means please slap me with a “off-topic” smear, just like Joe M would have done.

    Off course there is speculation, BTW, and that is true of all futures markets, and always has been. So what?

    There is also the availability of The Strategic Petroleum Reserve. And, how about the charges that Obama wants higher gas prices because it will further the causes of alternative energy sources. I chose to answer the prior commenter, so sue me for choosing fewer aspects of the bigger problem.

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