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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13941/the-loneliest-man-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-90001</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;grognard:&lt;/em&gt;

Thank you for taking the bait.  Different time and different circumstances, but Napoleon indeed had the same abjectly lacking military leadership clouded by a profound arrogance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>grognard:</em></p>
<p>Thank you for taking the bait.  Different time and different circumstances, but Napoleon indeed had the same abjectly lacking military leadership clouded by a profound arrogance.</p>
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		<title>By: grognard</title>
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		<dc:creator>grognard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œDo you suppose that Napoleon ever jerked around his troops like George Bush does?â€
  	

The horrible winter  retreat from Moscow where the Grande ArmÃ©e that started out with 690,000 troops returned with 22,000,  a defeat not matched in misery and death until Hitler tried the same thing.  Napoleon was a callused and calculating, and became so convinced of his own greatness that he over reached.  He was far from a saint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œDo you suppose that Napoleon ever jerked around his troops like George Bush does?â€</p>
<p>The horrible winter  retreat from Moscow where the Grande ArmÃ©e that started out with 690,000 troops returned with 22,000,  a defeat not matched in misery and death until Hitler tried the same thing.  Napoleon was a callused and calculating, and became so convinced of his own greatness that he over reached.  He was far from a saint.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Steck</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13941/the-loneliest-man-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-89978</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Steck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Jason, Well you have previously written a lot of posts previously stereotyping the reactions and statements of the â€œleftâ€- usually linked with some harmful effect on America, lol.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

kritter, since I have for weeks now consciously avoided characterizing &quot;the left&quot; as a homogeneous group at all, this interpretation is very frustrating to me.  It indicates that my efforts are wasted and that readers will interpret any criticism directed towards Democrats as partisan no matter what.  My frustration on this point is elevated by the fact that a major theme in my posts has been immigration, where the primary focus of my criticism is actually Republicans.  In those posts (which are ignored by those who on this and other threads accuse me of being a partisan Republican) I get accused of being a partisan the other way.  Apparently, keeping the stereotypes consistent across different issues is too much work.

Anyway, I am coming to believe that accusations of the type of &quot;you only criticize the left, so shut up&quot; (like that posted at the beginning of this thread which you appear to be endorsing at this point) are not only completely inaccurate, but may also be merely knee-jerk reactions designed to avoid the issue by making a cheap ad hom attack.  In short, they are devices to change the subject away from something that might challenge partisan presumptions and towards more familiar and EASY partisan tropes where the only people who would EVER DARE to criticize the Party of White Hats must, by definition, be an evildoer from the Party of Black Hats.  Yawn. 

And I really, really, &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; have no interest in such pointless discussions.  I had honestly thought in recent days that you were not among those who pursued such tactics and I am disappointed in this response from you.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Jason, Well you have previously written a lot of posts previously stereotyping the reactions and statements of the â€œleftâ€- usually linked with some harmful effect on America, lol.</p></blockquote>
<p>kritter, since I have for weeks now consciously avoided characterizing &#8220;the left&#8221; as a homogeneous group at all, this interpretation is very frustrating to me.  It indicates that my efforts are wasted and that readers will interpret any criticism directed towards Democrats as partisan no matter what.  My frustration on this point is elevated by the fact that a major theme in my posts has been immigration, where the primary focus of my criticism is actually Republicans.  In those posts (which are ignored by those who on this and other threads accuse me of being a partisan Republican) I get accused of being a partisan the other way.  Apparently, keeping the stereotypes consistent across different issues is too much work.</p>
<p>Anyway, I am coming to believe that accusations of the type of &#8220;you only criticize the left, so shut up&#8221; (like that posted at the beginning of this thread which you appear to be endorsing at this point) are not only completely inaccurate, but may also be merely knee-jerk reactions designed to avoid the issue by making a cheap ad hom attack.  In short, they are devices to change the subject away from something that might challenge partisan presumptions and towards more familiar and EASY partisan tropes where the only people who would EVER DARE to criticize the Party of White Hats must, by definition, be an evildoer from the Party of Black Hats.  Yawn. </p>
<p>And I really, really, <i>really</i> have no interest in such pointless discussions.  I had honestly thought in recent days that you were not among those who pursued such tactics and I am disappointed in this response from you.</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13941/the-loneliest-man-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-89967</link>
		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, Well you have previously written a lot of posts previously stereotyping the reactions and statements of the &quot;left&quot;- usually linked with some harmful effect on America, lol.

I might add that I usually listen to C-span a couple of times a week, and calls like I heard today are not unusual when the war is being discussed. Neither are the ones who call in supporting the president&#039;s policies out of party loyalty either, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, Well you have previously written a lot of posts previously stereotyping the reactions and statements of the &#8220;left&#8221;- usually linked with some harmful effect on America, lol.</p>
<p>I might add that I usually listen to C-span a couple of times a week, and calls like I heard today are not unusual when the war is being discussed. Neither are the ones who call in supporting the president&#8217;s policies out of party loyalty either, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Steck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Steck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, kritter, would it be ok if I stereotyped &quot;a lot&quot; of the people I disagree with about Iraq policy according to a couple of examples I heard on C-SPAN too?

If so, my critiques about the anti-war movement are going to get really, really easy to write.

Then again, I suspect that some of the people who disagree with me but who do not endorse the ridiculous statements of a couple of C-SPAN callers might object to being lumped in with them, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, kritter, would it be ok if I stereotyped &#8220;a lot&#8221; of the people I disagree with about Iraq policy according to a couple of examples I heard on C-SPAN too?</p>
<p>If so, my critiques about the anti-war movement are going to get really, really easy to write.</p>
<p>Then again, I suspect that some of the people who disagree with me but who do not endorse the ridiculous statements of a couple of C-SPAN callers might object to being lumped in with them, right?</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The part that is just amazing (though nothing should surprise us much anymore about Bush) is that he is so absolutely clueless about troop strength and how long it can be maintained before the military is totally out of reinforcements. I know that many are now on their fourth tours, and their families are livid about this ignorant and cavalier attitude by the civilian leadership.

The shameless attitude of a lot of those who haven&#039;t signed up? That the enlistees shouldn&#039;t have volunteered in the first place if they weren&#039;t up to the task. (I have no source because I heard both of these types of callers on c-span this morning)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The part that is just amazing (though nothing should surprise us much anymore about Bush) is that he is so absolutely clueless about troop strength and how long it can be maintained before the military is totally out of reinforcements. I know that many are now on their fourth tours, and their families are livid about this ignorant and cavalier attitude by the civilian leadership.</p>
<p>The shameless attitude of a lot of those who haven&#8217;t signed up? That the enlistees shouldn&#8217;t have volunteered in the first place if they weren&#8217;t up to the task. (I have no source because I heard both of these types of callers on c-span this morning)</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13941/the-loneliest-man-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-89887</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;kimrit:&lt;/em&gt;

Correcto mundo.  As further validated by my update.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>kimrit:</em></p>
<p>Correcto mundo.  As further validated by my update.</p>
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		<title>By: kimrit</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13941/the-loneliest-man-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-89886</link>
		<dc:creator>kimrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD, I had the impression from reading the article that the disaffection for the policy was largely due to the fact that we lack the troops to sustain it, and that those in the GOP felt Bush was out of touch with the reality of our military&#039;s limitations more than anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD, I had the impression from reading the article that the disaffection for the policy was largely due to the fact that we lack the troops to sustain it, and that those in the GOP felt Bush was out of touch with the reality of our military&#8217;s limitations more than anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: kimrit</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13941/the-loneliest-man-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-89885</link>
		<dc:creator>kimrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it represented a regional threat, than we should have waited until we had regional support to go in and remove Saddam.  Our decision to go in unilaterally cost us much in support in the Muslim world and with our European allies.

Do you have a link for your poll, Laura? Most polls I have seen have shown just the opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it represented a regional threat, than we should have waited until we had regional support to go in and remove Saddam.  Our decision to go in unilaterally cost us much in support in the Muslim world and with our European allies.</p>
<p>Do you have a link for your poll, Laura? Most polls I have seen have shown just the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iraq did represent a regional threat and you are the one arrogant enough to believe that you know better. The fact of the matter is that a poll shows Iraqis believe they are better off now than under hussein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iraq did represent a regional threat and you are the one arrogant enough to believe that you know better. The fact of the matter is that a poll shows Iraqis believe they are better off now than under hussein.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashen Shard</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13941/the-loneliest-man-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-89878</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashen Shard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>superdestroyer,

Looking at current US policy towards Iraqi immigration, I don&#039;t see any chance of a little Baghdad in any city.
Kurds also have more to worry about from Turkey than from their fellow Iraqi&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>superdestroyer,</p>
<p>Looking at current US policy towards Iraqi immigration, I don&#8217;t see any chance of a little Baghdad in any city.<br />
Kurds also have more to worry about from Turkey than from their fellow Iraqi&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if we are going to plan for the retrograde as poorly as we planned for the invasion. 

I would hate to be a Kurd knowing that the U.S. is about the throw you under the bus so that the U.S. can stop thinking about Iraq. 

I wonder were the refugee camps will be built and whichU.S. city will end up with a little Baghdad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if we are going to plan for the retrograde as poorly as we planned for the invasion. </p>
<p>I would hate to be a Kurd knowing that the U.S. is about the throw you under the bus so that the U.S. can stop thinking about Iraq. </p>
<p>I wonder were the refugee camps will be built and whichU.S. city will end up with a little Baghdad.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Somebody:&lt;/em&gt;

Astutely said.  But I see the GOP as just one tree, albeit a damned big one (perhaps a weeping willow, which has notoriously shallow roots), in a forest of disillusionment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Somebody:</em></p>
<p>Astutely said.  But I see the GOP as just one tree, albeit a damned big one (perhaps a weeping willow, which has notoriously shallow roots), in a forest of disillusionment.</p>
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		<title>By: Somebody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Somebody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The disaffection is NOT because of the war.

IT is BECAUSE of Bush&#039;s fatalist view that he does not care about the GOP but only the war, the war and nothing but the war.

If he spent as much time trying to drum up support for the GOP agenda that had nothing to do with the war as he did with the WAR then the GOP would not be deserting him.

George Bush has become Consumed, obsessed and haunted by the war in Iraq and yet life goes on.  We as Americans have other things we have to worry about.  Taxes, immigration, health care...etc...etc.

Yet Bush has abandoned ALL of that for the WAR. He said once he was going to be the President of ALL Americans and yet he has done the opposite because of the war.

This is why the GOP is abandoning him........Not because of the War but because he has abandoned every other thing Americans care about to focus exclusively ON THE WAR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The disaffection is NOT because of the war.</p>
<p>IT is BECAUSE of Bush&#8217;s fatalist view that he does not care about the GOP but only the war, the war and nothing but the war.</p>
<p>If he spent as much time trying to drum up support for the GOP agenda that had nothing to do with the war as he did with the WAR then the GOP would not be deserting him.</p>
<p>George Bush has become Consumed, obsessed and haunted by the war in Iraq and yet life goes on.  We as Americans have other things we have to worry about.  Taxes, immigration, health care&#8230;etc&#8230;etc.</p>
<p>Yet Bush has abandoned ALL of that for the WAR. He said once he was going to be the President of ALL Americans and yet he has done the opposite because of the war.</p>
<p>This is why the GOP is abandoning him&#8230;&#8230;..Not because of the War but because he has abandoned every other thing Americans care about to focus exclusively ON THE WAR.</p>
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		<title>By: University Update - Iraq - The Loneliest Man In the World</title>
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		<dc:creator>University Update - Iraq - The Loneliest Man In the World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kimrit</title>
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		<dc:creator>kimrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dovetailing into your post was a story in today&#039;s WaPo, detailing how Stephen Hadley was sent to the Hill to shore up support among Republican allies of the president. Hadley was confident that he could, as done previously, bring recalcitrant Senators back into the fold, but was shocked to see the extent of dissaffection among the GOP for the present strategy.  Many in the president&#039;s party are ready to abandon him, to the extent that they are no longer holding to the September deadline to evaluate progress made.

More and more, Republicans are moving back towards the ISG&#039;s recommendations. They are probably afraid that in &#039;08 as in &#039;06, they will go down with the ship if they stick too closely to President Bush&#039;s surge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dovetailing into your post was a story in today&#8217;s WaPo, detailing how Stephen Hadley was sent to the Hill to shore up support among Republican allies of the president. Hadley was confident that he could, as done previously, bring recalcitrant Senators back into the fold, but was shocked to see the extent of dissaffection among the GOP for the present strategy.  Many in the president&#8217;s party are ready to abandon him, to the extent that they are no longer holding to the September deadline to evaluate progress made.</p>
<p>More and more, Republicans are moving back towards the ISG&#8217;s recommendations. They are probably afraid that in &#8216;08 as in &#8216;06, they will go down with the ship if they stick too closely to President Bush&#8217;s surge.</p>
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