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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13838/blogs-versus-print/comment-page-1/#comment-89001</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 05:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect authors of short op ed pieces in print are imitating blogs.  They write pithy articles to make a point, but the language is usually unimaginative.  Where are the writers of yesteryear that could make the language &#039;sing&#039; in  a 2 paragraph article about the local sewage plant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect authors of short op ed pieces in print are imitating blogs.  They write pithy articles to make a point, but the language is usually unimaginative.  Where are the writers of yesteryear that could make the language &#8217;sing&#8217; in  a 2 paragraph article about the local sewage plant?</p>
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		<title>By: Old Guard versus New Guard Redux : United in the States</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13838/blogs-versus-print/comment-page-1/#comment-88910</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Guard versus New Guard Redux : United in the States</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his excellent blog post Blogs versus Print, at the blog The Moderate Voice, Michael van der Galien writes about the criticism of those who [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13838/blogs-versus-print/comment-page-1/#comment-88883</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one thing I give people a break on most of the time is the occasional spelling or punctuation error that seems typographical -- I make those goofs myself, particularly if I&#039;m typing too fast or thinking so fast I don&#039;t compose a sentence properly, so it doesn&#039;t merit my getting too upset about the same from others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing I give people a break on most of the time is the occasional spelling or punctuation error that seems typographical &#8212; I make those goofs myself, particularly if I&#8217;m typing too fast or thinking so fast I don&#8217;t compose a sentence properly, so it doesn&#8217;t merit my getting too upset about the same from others.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13838/blogs-versus-print/comment-page-1/#comment-88856</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was Richard Schickel, the film critic, that AZ was referring to, not Schnickel. There must be a typo.

Thanks for pointing that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was Richard Schickel, the film critic, that AZ was referring to, not Schnickel. There must be a typo.</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing that out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Steck</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13838/blogs-versus-print/comment-page-1/#comment-88852</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Steck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Students are students and will often seek the greatest advantage for the least work.  It&#039;s not &quot;pathetic&quot; as much as perennial.  

The very best students are the ones who called me out on class evaluations for being too permissive towards the slackers, though.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Students are students and will often seek the greatest advantage for the least work.  It&#8217;s not &#8220;pathetic&#8221; as much as perennial.  </p>
<p>The very best students are the ones who called me out on class evaluations for being too permissive towards the slackers, though.  <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13838/blogs-versus-print/comment-page-1/#comment-88846</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you wouldnâ€™t believe how many students actively protest the requirements for grammar and spelling in papers

What other rules do they protest and claim are now irrelevent or obsolete?  Any laws they simply don&#039;t like?  Grades (bad grades, at least)?

(Back in the 1980s I was already so irritated that I wrote a letter of complaint to the editor of one newspaper that was published under the title of &quot;Please Use Correct English In the Newspaper.&quot;  It&#039;s pathetic if the kids you&#039;re teaching seek the opposite.)

Then there&#039;s the plague on the Web of acronym abuse, which is as irritating as seeing &quot;4&quot; for &quot;for&quot; or &quot;[-]fore[-]&quot; in addition to &quot;four,&quot; and &quot;2&quot; for &quot;to&quot; and &quot;too&quot; in addition to &quot;two.&quot;

Anyone saying &quot;TWWIHBR?&quot; rather than &quot;To what would I have been responding?&quot; is lazy or has a behavioral problem.

I sometimes will substitute an acronym or a one-letter abbreviation but that is typically only when I am trying to insert strong language to make a point and want single or multiple letters only so as to make the text appear less vulgar, and the special use of one or more letters is intended to be unusual, not routine or normal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you wouldnâ€™t believe how many students actively protest the requirements for grammar and spelling in papers</p>
<p>What other rules do they protest and claim are now irrelevent or obsolete?  Any laws they simply don&#8217;t like?  Grades (bad grades, at least)?</p>
<p>(Back in the 1980s I was already so irritated that I wrote a letter of complaint to the editor of one newspaper that was published under the title of &#8220;Please Use Correct English In the Newspaper.&#8221;  It&#8217;s pathetic if the kids you&#8217;re teaching seek the opposite.)</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the plague on the Web of acronym abuse, which is as irritating as seeing &#8220;4&#8243; for &#8220;for&#8221; or &#8220;[-]fore[-]&#8221; in addition to &#8220;four,&#8221; and &#8220;2&#8243; for &#8220;to&#8221; and &#8220;too&#8221; in addition to &#8220;two.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyone saying &#8220;TWWIHBR?&#8221; rather than &#8220;To what would I have been responding?&#8221; is lazy or has a behavioral problem.</p>
<p>I sometimes will substitute an acronym or a one-letter abbreviation but that is typically only when I am trying to insert strong language to make a point and want single or multiple letters only so as to make the text appear less vulgar, and the special use of one or more letters is intended to be unusual, not routine or normal.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13838/blogs-versus-print/comment-page-1/#comment-88841</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I donâ€™t read blogs for long, elaborate retrospectives but for real time type news.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That and reader remarks, which are often more interesting than what the bloggers themselves have to say.

Bloggers essentially are columnists who are on-line rather than in the print media, radio, or television.

News, yes.  Reader remarks, even far left remarks totally disconnected from reality -- these are fine; those that are wrong can always be corrected by wiser readers.  The childish, self-aborbed &quot;all about me, me me&quot; drivel is irritating (like Maureen Dowd but with extra fluff atop the vapor).  Overall, a number of blog sites are worth visiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I donâ€™t read blogs for long, elaborate retrospectives but for real time type news.</p></blockquote>
<p>That and reader remarks, which are often more interesting than what the bloggers themselves have to say.</p>
<p>Bloggers essentially are columnists who are on-line rather than in the print media, radio, or television.</p>
<p>News, yes.  Reader remarks, even far left remarks totally disconnected from reality &#8212; these are fine; those that are wrong can always be corrected by wiser readers.  The childish, self-aborbed &#8220;all about me, me me&#8221; drivel is irritating (like Maureen Dowd but with extra fluff atop the vapor).  Overall, a number of blog sites are worth visiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13838/blogs-versus-print/comment-page-1/#comment-88822</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LMAO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LMAO!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Steck</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13838/blogs-versus-print/comment-page-1/#comment-88817</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Steck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 18:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micheal, you wouldn&#039;t believe how many students actively protest the requirements for grammar and spelling in papers.  I&#039;ve actually had students cite text messaging and blogs as reasons that the &quot;Mrs. Finkelstein approach&quot; is outmoded and useless across the board. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micheal, you wouldn&#8217;t believe how many students actively protest the requirements for grammar and spelling in papers.  I&#8217;ve actually had students cite text messaging and blogs as reasons that the &#8220;Mrs. Finkelstein approach&#8221; is outmoded and useless across the board.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13838/blogs-versus-print/comment-page-1/#comment-88815</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 18:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not quite see how it was a denigrating comment actually. I am one of those people who greatly appreciate good, even great, writing on blogs, while at the same time understanding that I am not a great &lt;em&gt;writer&lt;/em&gt; myself. I have ideas, and I can express them, but I am not a great writer. The reason that I get quite some hits per day nonetheless, is that many people think like casual does about political blogs: the writing doesn&#039;t have to be an A+ - it&#039;s about the news, and one&#039;s take on it.

Having said that, the longer I blog, the more I believe that the short and concise posts cost more craftmanship than one might think. It&#039;s an art I have not mastered fully yet, but I&#039;m working on it. If it&#039;s too short, people will misinterprete what you wrote (also because people do not click on the links), if it&#039;s too long, well, you&#039;re in the danger of writing too many long posts (which people don&#039;t read due to lack of time).

Meanwhile, I do agree with your point about the essay-bloggers - I was merely pointing out that there is an &#039;other side&#039; to that debate ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not quite see how it was a denigrating comment actually. I am one of those people who greatly appreciate good, even great, writing on blogs, while at the same time understanding that I am not a great <em>writer</em> myself. I have ideas, and I can express them, but I am not a great writer. The reason that I get quite some hits per day nonetheless, is that many people think like casual does about political blogs: the writing doesn&#8217;t have to be an A+ &#8211; it&#8217;s about the news, and one&#8217;s take on it.</p>
<p>Having said that, the longer I blog, the more I believe that the short and concise posts cost more craftmanship than one might think. It&#8217;s an art I have not mastered fully yet, but I&#8217;m working on it. If it&#8217;s too short, people will misinterprete what you wrote (also because people do not click on the links), if it&#8217;s too long, well, you&#8217;re in the danger of writing too many long posts (which people don&#8217;t read due to lack of time).</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I do agree with your point about the essay-bloggers &#8211; I was merely pointing out that there is an &#8216;other side&#8217; to that debate <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jason Steck</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13838/blogs-versus-print/comment-page-1/#comment-88811</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Steck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 18:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t arguing that everything on blogs had to be a crafted essay.  I was only responding to a common denigration directed towards those who try to write well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t arguing that everything on blogs had to be a crafted essay.  I was only responding to a common denigration directed towards those who try to write well.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13838/blogs-versus-print/comment-page-1/#comment-88805</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 18:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of blogposts, however, are not meant to be &quot;essays.&quot; Don&#039;t forget that the original purpose of a blog was to share what websites one visited as to keep a &quot;log&quot; of it. 

It has evolved, and is now being used for different purposes altogether, but there are many differents types of weblogs. Literary websites, obviously, should be well written, political websites are more about ideas, as Dan Schneider once put it, whereas literary websites are about words / language. 

Then there are also websites about sports, diaries, entertainment, and so on. 

Your approach is often the &quot;essay&quot; approach. I, however, seldom write essays for blogs (mostly because essays take a lot of time and I participate on blogs that publish a lot of posts per day, so they will be removed from the frontpage quickly). 

In this regard, it is interesting to ask what is good and what is bad writing at a &lt;em&gt;political blog&lt;/em&gt;? 

Andrew Sullivan is a great writer, but his blogposts are short and to the point: is he a bad blogger? I&#039;d say no. Concise, to the point, can be very good in the blogosphere as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of blogposts, however, are not meant to be &#8220;essays.&#8221; Don&#8217;t forget that the original purpose of a blog was to share what websites one visited as to keep a &#8220;log&#8221; of it. </p>
<p>It has evolved, and is now being used for different purposes altogether, but there are many differents types of weblogs. Literary websites, obviously, should be well written, political websites are more about ideas, as Dan Schneider once put it, whereas literary websites are about words / language. </p>
<p>Then there are also websites about sports, diaries, entertainment, and so on. </p>
<p>Your approach is often the &#8220;essay&#8221; approach. I, however, seldom write essays for blogs (mostly because essays take a lot of time and I participate on blogs that publish a lot of posts per day, so they will be removed from the frontpage quickly). </p>
<p>In this regard, it is interesting to ask what is good and what is bad writing at a <em>political blog</em>? </p>
<p>Andrew Sullivan is a great writer, but his blogposts are short and to the point: is he a bad blogger? I&#8217;d say no. Concise, to the point, can be very good in the blogosphere as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Steck</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13838/blogs-versus-print/comment-page-1/#comment-88799</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Steck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I donâ€™t need the writing to be polished up and worthy of an â€œAâ€ from Mrs. Finklestein in the English Dept.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps it should be.  Pride in workmanship shouldn&#039;t be derided, whether it is in constructing a house or constructing an essay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I donâ€™t need the writing to be polished up and worthy of an â€œAâ€ from Mrs. Finklestein in the English Dept.</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps it should be.  Pride in workmanship shouldn&#8217;t be derided, whether it is in constructing a house or constructing an essay.</p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
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		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strikes me as a little bit of an apple and a orange....at least for my consumer purposes.

I don&#039;t read blogs for long, elaborate retrospectives but for real time type news.

I don&#039;t need the writing to be polished up and worthy of an &quot;A&quot; from Mrs. Finklestein in the English Dept.

To be fair, I don&#039;t need that from the evening paper columnist either, it&#039;s just I don&#039;t want to have to wait that long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strikes me as a little bit of an apple and a orange&#8230;.at least for my consumer purposes.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t read blogs for long, elaborate retrospectives but for real time type news.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need the writing to be polished up and worthy of an &#8220;A&#8221; from Mrs. Finklestein in the English Dept.</p>
<p>To be fair, I don&#8217;t need that from the evening paper columnist either, it&#8217;s just I don&#8217;t want to have to wait that long.</p>
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