Comments on: The Dönme: A Secret Jewish Sect Part II http://themoderatevoice.com/13752/the-donme-a-secret-jewish-sect-part-ii/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:08:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: The Dönme: A Secret Jewish Sect Part II · New York Articles http://themoderatevoice.com/13752/the-donme-a-secret-jewish-sect-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-89338 The Dönme: A Secret Jewish Sect Part II · New York Articles Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:27:29 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/religion/islam/13752/the-donme-a-secret-jewish-sect-part-ii/#comment-89338 [...] Pay special attention to numbers 8 (about adultery), 16 and 17. To say that the early Sabbateans did not think highly of Muslims would be quite an understatement. The sexual morale was, compared to Jewish and Muslim rules, quite loose, to say the least. According to some sources, the Sabbateans had special feasts, during which they had orgies: men were allowed to have sex with women who were not their wife. When children were born out of such an orgie, they were considered saints. (more…) [...] [...] Pay special attention to numbers 8 (about adultery), 16 and 17. To say that the early Sabbateans did not think highly of Muslims would be quite an understatement. The sexual morale was, compared to Jewish and Muslim rules, quite loose, to say the least. According to some sources, the Sabbateans had special feasts, during which they had orgies: men were allowed to have sex with women who were not their wife. When children were born out of such an orgie, they were considered saints. (more…) [...]

]]> By: The Dönme: A Secret Jewish Sect Part II · Articles http://themoderatevoice.com/13752/the-donme-a-secret-jewish-sect-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-88820 The Dönme: A Secret Jewish Sect Part II · Articles Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:10:42 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/religion/islam/13752/the-donme-a-secret-jewish-sect-part-ii/#comment-88820 [...] Pay special attention to numbers 8 (about adultery), 16 and 17. To say that the early Sabbateans did not think highly of Muslims would be quite an understatement. The sexual morale was, compared to Jewish and Muslim rules, quite loose, to say the least. According to some sources, the Sabbateans had special feasts, during which they had orgies: men were allowed to have sex with women who were not their wife. When children were born out of such an orgie, they were considered saints. (more…) [...] [...] Pay special attention to numbers 8 (about adultery), 16 and 17. To say that the early Sabbateans did not think highly of Muslims would be quite an understatement. The sexual morale was, compared to Jewish and Muslim rules, quite loose, to say the least. According to some sources, the Sabbateans had special feasts, during which they had orgies: men were allowed to have sex with women who were not their wife. When children were born out of such an orgie, they were considered saints. (more…) [...]

]]> By: The Dönme: A Secret Jewish Sect Part II · Kokorec http://themoderatevoice.com/13752/the-donme-a-secret-jewish-sect-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-87887 The Dönme: A Secret Jewish Sect Part II · Kokorec Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:43:03 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/religion/islam/13752/the-donme-a-secret-jewish-sect-part-ii/#comment-87887 [...] Pay special attention to numbers 8 (about adultery), 16 and 17. To say that the early Sabbateans did not think highly of Muslims would be quite an understatement. The sexual morality was, compared to Jewish and Muslim rules, quite loose, to say the least. According to some sources, the Sabbateans had special feasts, during which they had orgies: men were allowed to have sex with women who were not their wife. When children were born out of such an orgy, they were considered saints. (more…) [...] [...] Pay special attention to numbers 8 (about adultery), 16 and 17. To say that the early Sabbateans did not think highly of Muslims would be quite an understatement. The sexual morality was, compared to Jewish and Muslim rules, quite loose, to say the least. According to some sources, the Sabbateans had special feasts, during which they had orgies: men were allowed to have sex with women who were not their wife. When children were born out of such an orgy, they were considered saints. (more…) [...]

]]> By: Holly in Cincinnati http://themoderatevoice.com/13752/the-donme-a-secret-jewish-sect-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-87825 Holly in Cincinnati Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:42:36 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/religion/islam/13752/the-donme-a-secret-jewish-sect-part-ii/#comment-87825 Maimonides’ (AKA The Rambam) 13 Principles of Faith http://www.ou.org/torah/rambam.htm <blockquote>THE RAMBAM'S THIRTEEN PRINCIPLES OF JEWISH FAITH 1. I believe with perfect faith that G-d is the Creator and Ruler of all things. He alone has made, does make, and will make all things. 2. I believe with perfect faith that G-d is One. There is no unity that is in any way like His. He alone is our G-d He was, He is, and He will be. 3. I believe with perfect faith that G-d does not have a body. physical concepts do not apply to Him. There is nothing whatsoever that resembles Him at all. 4. I believe with perfect faith that G-d is first and last. 5. I believe with perfect faith that it is only proper to pray to G-d. One may not pray to anyone or anything else. 6. I believe with perfect faith that all the words of the prophets are true. 7. I believe with perfect faith that the prophecy of Moses is absolutely true. He was the chief of all prophets, both before and after Him. 8. I believe with perfect faith that the entire Torah that we now have is that which was given to Moses. 9. I believe with perfect faith that this Torah will not be changed, and that there will never be another given by G-d. 10. I believe with perfect faith that G-d knows all of man's deeds and thoughts. It is thus written (Psalm 33:15), "He has molded every heart together, He understands what each one does." 11. I believe with perfect faith tha G-d rewards those who keep His commandments, and punishes those who transgress Him. 12. I believe with perfect faith in the coming of the Messiah. How long it takes, I will await His coming every day. 13. I believe with perfect faith that the dead will be brought back to life when G-d wills it to happen.</blockquote> Maimonides’ (AKA The Rambam) 13 Principles of Faith
http://www.ou.org/torah/rambam.htm

THE RAMBAM’S THIRTEEN PRINCIPLES
OF JEWISH FAITH

1. I believe with perfect faith that G-d is the Creator and Ruler of all things. He alone has made, does make, and will make all things.

2. I believe with perfect faith that G-d is One. There is no unity that is in any way like His. He alone is our G-d He was, He is, and He will be.

3. I believe with perfect faith that G-d does not have a body. physical concepts do not apply to Him. There is nothing whatsoever that resembles Him at all.

4. I believe with perfect faith that G-d is first and last.

5. I believe with perfect faith that it is only proper to pray to G-d. One may not pray to anyone or anything else.

6. I believe with perfect faith that all the words of the prophets are true.

7. I believe with perfect faith that the prophecy of Moses is absolutely true. He was the chief of all prophets, both before and after Him.

8. I believe with perfect faith that the entire Torah that we now have is that which was given to Moses.

9. I believe with perfect faith that this Torah will not be changed, and that there will never be another given by G-d.

10. I believe with perfect faith that G-d knows all of man’s deeds and thoughts. It is thus written (Psalm 33:15), “He has molded every heart together, He understands what each one does.”

11. I believe with perfect faith tha G-d rewards those who keep His commandments, and punishes those who transgress Him.

12. I believe with perfect faith in the coming of the Messiah. How long it takes, I will await His coming every day.

13. I believe with perfect faith that the dead will be brought back to life when G-d wills it to happen.

]]> By: Michael van der Galien http://themoderatevoice.com/13752/the-donme-a-secret-jewish-sect-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-87811 Michael van der Galien Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:53:35 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/religion/islam/13752/the-donme-a-secret-jewish-sect-part-ii/#comment-87811 </strong> That's most certainly true Holly. Do you have a link? That’s most certainly true Holly.

Do you have a link?

]]> By: Holly in Cincinnati http://themoderatevoice.com/13752/the-donme-a-secret-jewish-sect-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-87808 Holly in Cincinnati Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:43:35 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/religion/islam/13752/the-donme-a-secret-jewish-sect-part-ii/#comment-87808 Please excuse the typo in my first comment - should have read "illicit" Please excuse the typo in my first comment – should have read “illicit”

]]> By: Holly in Cincinnati http://themoderatevoice.com/13752/the-donme-a-secret-jewish-sect-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-87806 Holly in Cincinnati Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:42:12 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/religion/islam/13752/the-donme-a-secret-jewish-sect-part-ii/#comment-87806 The Sabbatean credo seems to be partially derived from Maimonides' 13 Principles of Faith. The Sabbatean credo seems to be partially derived from Maimonides’ 13 Principles of Faith.

]]> By: Holly in Cincinnati http://themoderatevoice.com/13752/the-donme-a-secret-jewish-sect-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-87805 Holly in Cincinnati Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:40:55 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/religion/islam/13752/the-donme-a-secret-jewish-sect-part-ii/#comment-87805 You have gone into this at length! I will point out that rumors of "illict" sexual behavior have been used to discriminate against many minorities over the centuries. You have gone into this at length!

I will point out that rumors of “illict” sexual behavior have been used to discriminate against many minorities over the centuries.

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