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		<title>By: Breaking News: Lawyers May Be Unethical &#183; New York Articles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breaking News: Lawyers May Be Unethical &#183; New York Articles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 04:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Top News &#187; Blog Archives &#187; 3M to close NZ manufacturing plant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Top News &#187; Blog Archives &#187; 3M to close NZ manufacturing plant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Breaking News: Lawyers May Be UnethicalThe Moderate Voice - The old, tired cloche in the news biz is that if a dog bites a man, it s not really news. If a man bites a dog, THEN it s really news. So perhaps this should be filed in your Dog Bites Man file: Can your lawyer collect 12 hours pay after [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Breaking News: Lawyers May Be UnethicalThe Moderate Voice &#8211; The old, tired cloche in the news biz is that if a dog bites a man, it s not really news. If a man bites a dog, THEN it s really news. So perhaps this should be filed in your Dog Bites Man file: Can your lawyer collect 12 hours pay after [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If it takes the mechanic longer than that, too bad for him because heâ€™s only getting paid the billable hours (if that happens enough he needs to consider another line of work).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What you&#039;re describing is a bill-by-service arrangement.  That&#039;s different from a strict bill-by-time arrangement.  Lawyers don&#039;t estimate their time and stick to that estimate the way a mechanic might - they&#039;re supposed to only bill for the time actually worked.

The reward for efficiency isn&#039;t fraudulent billing (which Gary does if billed by time rather than service); it&#039;s a better reputation which draws more clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If it takes the mechanic longer than that, too bad for him because heâ€™s only getting paid the billable hours (if that happens enough he needs to consider another line of work).</p></blockquote>
<p>What you&#8217;re describing is a bill-by-service arrangement.  That&#8217;s different from a strict bill-by-time arrangement.  Lawyers don&#8217;t estimate their time and stick to that estimate the way a mechanic might &#8211; they&#8217;re supposed to only bill for the time actually worked.</p>
<p>The reward for efficiency isn&#8217;t fraudulent billing (which Gary does if billed by time rather than service); it&#8217;s a better reputation which draws more clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Gandelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Gandelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Short Woman&#039;s explanation is a good one. Too bad the reporter could not have included it in the original piece that ran in Florida!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Short Woman&#8217;s explanation is a good one. Too bad the reporter could not have included it in the original piece that ran in Florida!</p>
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		<title>By: ShortWoman</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13686/breaking-news-lawyers-may-be-unethical/comment-page-1/#comment-87241</link>
		<dc:creator>ShortWoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheesh, never thought I&#039;d be defending lawyers but here goes.

When I take my car in for service, the service manager looks on a chart to see how long the service I need is supposed to take, and he bills me that amount for labor.  But that isn&#039;t necessarily how long it &lt;i&gt;will&lt;/i&gt; take.  

If it takes the mechanic longer than that, too bad for him because he&#039;s only getting paid the billable hours (if that happens enough he needs to consider another line of work).  Sure,  complications happen.  And sometimes things go smoother than usual.  These things average out.

On the other hand, I had one mechanic who was an expert at finding the most efficient way to do things. Sometimes a task that the book said was 4 hours was only 2 for Gary.  Gary still got paid 4 hours for the task, however.  He was rewarded for his efficiency.  The dealership was happy because that allowed them to do more work over the course of the day.  The customer was happy because he got his car back earlier.  And sometimes Gary would get paid for a 12 hour day when he only actually worked 8.

Now, I have no idea whether lawyers have a big book of &quot;how many hours is X legal task supposed to take.&quot;  But I bet any law firm that has been in business very long has a very good idea of average time for common things like will writing and traffic ticket defending.  And if some lawyer has a more efficient way to get out of a traffic ticket, allowing to process substantially more than his colleagues?  More power to him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheesh, never thought I&#8217;d be defending lawyers but here goes.</p>
<p>When I take my car in for service, the service manager looks on a chart to see how long the service I need is supposed to take, and he bills me that amount for labor.  But that isn&#8217;t necessarily how long it <i>will</i> take.  </p>
<p>If it takes the mechanic longer than that, too bad for him because he&#8217;s only getting paid the billable hours (if that happens enough he needs to consider another line of work).  Sure,  complications happen.  And sometimes things go smoother than usual.  These things average out.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I had one mechanic who was an expert at finding the most efficient way to do things. Sometimes a task that the book said was 4 hours was only 2 for Gary.  Gary still got paid 4 hours for the task, however.  He was rewarded for his efficiency.  The dealership was happy because that allowed them to do more work over the course of the day.  The customer was happy because he got his car back earlier.  And sometimes Gary would get paid for a 12 hour day when he only actually worked 8.</p>
<p>Now, I have no idea whether lawyers have a big book of &#8220;how many hours is X legal task supposed to take.&#8221;  But I bet any law firm that has been in business very long has a very good idea of average time for common things like will writing and traffic ticket defending.  And if some lawyer has a more efficient way to get out of a traffic ticket, allowing to process substantially more than his colleagues?  More power to him!</p>
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		<title>By: Rambie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rambie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe that&#039;s why some of them become politicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe that&#8217;s why some of them become politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know something, most people and professions are unethical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know something, most people and professions are unethical.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Joe, you know what they say:  90% of lawyers give the others a bad name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Joe, you know what they say:  90% of lawyers give the others a bad name.</p>
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