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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13601/thank-you-thomas-friedman/comment-page-1/#comment-86730</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura - We cannot do much about oppressive regimes, that is ultimately the responsibility of the population of those countries. The occupation of Palestinian lands is like the whites occupation of South Africa. Peace came to South Africa with Botha, Mandela and reconciliation; Israel and Palestine has none of the three.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura &#8211; We cannot do much about oppressive regimes, that is ultimately the responsibility of the population of those countries. The occupation of Palestinian lands is like the whites occupation of South Africa. Peace came to South Africa with Botha, Mandela and reconciliation; Israel and Palestine has none of the three.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Rivera</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13601/thank-you-thomas-friedman/comment-page-1/#comment-86698</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Rivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Please give me a logical explanation as to why Israel, above all countries, is being singled out for a boycott, especially when you consider the world is full of repressive dictatorships and gross violators of human rights? How about boycotting Sudan, China, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, I could go on and on.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Laura,

Replace the word &quot;Israel&quot; with &quot;Iraq&quot; and the word &quot;boycott&quot; with &quot;invasion.&quot;

President Bush singled out Iraq for offenses that plenty of other countries are guilty of.  Does that means he&#039;s &quot;anti-Iraqi&quot;?

Sometimes, hypocrisy is simply that.  There&#039;s no reason to assume that it implies hatred of a certain group of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Please give me a logical explanation as to why Israel, above all countries, is being singled out for a boycott, especially when you consider the world is full of repressive dictatorships and gross violators of human rights? How about boycotting Sudan, China, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, I could go on and on.</p></blockquote>
<p>Laura,</p>
<p>Replace the word &#8220;Israel&#8221; with &#8220;Iraq&#8221; and the word &#8220;boycott&#8221; with &#8220;invasion.&#8221;</p>
<p>President Bush singled out Iraq for offenses that plenty of other countries are guilty of.  Does that means he&#8217;s &#8220;anti-Iraqi&#8221;?</p>
<p>Sometimes, hypocrisy is simply that.  There&#8217;s no reason to assume that it implies hatred of a certain group of people.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,
I was using a quote from your statement to reflect on how it applies to Friedman&#039;s and Michael&#039;s positions and this whole thread.
Your position was not clear at that point.
Now it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,<br />
I was using a quote from your statement to reflect on how it applies to Friedman&#8217;s and Michael&#8217;s positions and this whole thread.<br />
Your position was not clear at that point.<br />
Now it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Steck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Steck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, doma, you will notice that I have never once used the term &quot;anti-semetic&quot; on any post or comment I have ever made on this site.  I think I&#039;ve maybe used the term in conversation twice in my entire life.  I avoid it as problematic.  Even if I did use the term generally, I would avoid applying it to this case because the boycotts are not directed at all Jews, but rather only Israeli Jews (and also Israeli Arabs, which are a non-trivial proportion of Israeli academia).  No one is boycotting American Jewish academics, for example.

But I think it is proper to call the academic boycott efforts I have heard of both in the U.S. and in Britain &quot;prejudiced&quot; and even &quot;bigoted&quot; because they make a general condemnation of &lt;i&gt;persons&lt;/i&gt; based on no information other than nationality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, doma, you will notice that I have never once used the term &#8220;anti-semetic&#8221; on any post or comment I have ever made on this site.  I think I&#8217;ve maybe used the term in conversation twice in my entire life.  I avoid it as problematic.  Even if I did use the term generally, I would avoid applying it to this case because the boycotts are not directed at all Jews, but rather only Israeli Jews (and also Israeli Arabs, which are a non-trivial proportion of Israeli academia).  No one is boycotting American Jewish academics, for example.</p>
<p>But I think it is proper to call the academic boycott efforts I have heard of both in the U.S. and in Britain &#8220;prejudiced&#8221; and even &#8220;bigoted&#8221; because they make a general condemnation of <i>persons</i> based on no information other than nationality.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason said:
 &quot;think its fair to criticize a policy based on such an assumption as being intrinsically prejudiced&quot;

Yes, but prejudiced against whom?
The policy is biased against Israel and, by extension, some Israelis.
Using the &#039;anti-semitic&#039; tag implies it&#039;s prejudiced against all Israelis and, even further, against all Jews.
In addition, it leads to the attitude that if someone does not agree with this assessment, that person, too, is anti-semitic.

As a result, those who feel they are unjustly accused feel resentment, resentment against the accusers.  The situation becomes ripe for a backlash effect, 

I hold the view that people are more likely to be convinced by reason than by the strong-arm tactics of emotional and broad accusations ot &quot;anti-semitism&#039;.  Once convinced, not bullied, into agreeing/disagreeing with a policy, such convictions are more likely to stand the test of time, IMO, and are far more valuable assets to seek out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason said:<br />
 &#8220;think its fair to criticize a policy based on such an assumption as being intrinsically prejudiced&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, but prejudiced against whom?<br />
The policy is biased against Israel and, by extension, some Israelis.<br />
Using the &#8216;anti-semitic&#8217; tag implies it&#8217;s prejudiced against all Israelis and, even further, against all Jews.<br />
In addition, it leads to the attitude that if someone does not agree with this assessment, that person, too, is anti-semitic.</p>
<p>As a result, those who feel they are unjustly accused feel resentment, resentment against the accusers.  The situation becomes ripe for a backlash effect, </p>
<p>I hold the view that people are more likely to be convinced by reason than by the strong-arm tactics of emotional and broad accusations ot &#8220;anti-semitism&#8217;.  Once convinced, not bullied, into agreeing/disagreeing with a policy, such convictions are more likely to stand the test of time, IMO, and are far more valuable assets to seek out.</p>
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		<title>By: lurxst</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurxst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friedman&#039;s analyses are a joke. 

I am also concerned about the recent rhetoric on this formerly moderate site.  Don&#039;t like Hebrew National hotdogs? Then you&#039;re an anti-semite.  The true implication of the label has been diluted to the point of absurdity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friedman&#8217;s analyses are a joke. </p>
<p>I am also concerned about the recent rhetoric on this formerly moderate site.  Don&#8217;t like Hebrew National hotdogs? Then you&#8217;re an anti-semite.  The true implication of the label has been diluted to the point of absurdity.</p>
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		<title>By: Pyst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Micahel, I am calling your last comment on the post extremist rhetoric.  
Extremist in the fact it was a blanket statement, painting all from that poltical spectrum with bigotry regardless of wether they agreed with Britainâ€™s University and College Union or not. 
Which in fact was not being anti-semitic anyways. Lame, yes. Petty, yes. But anti-semitic, no, and you should know the difference instead of throwing bombs like you did with that last statement. 

If Friedman is using the same rhetoric then he is going at the subject in an extremist way rhetorically as well, but atleast he&#039;s Jewish so I&#039;d understand that to degree. Disagree with him, and shake my head at his wrong application of the term I would.

Friendman doesn&#039;t have much credibility in my book anyways (see The Friedman unit for my reason).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Micahel, I am calling your last comment on the post extremist rhetoric.<br />
Extremist in the fact it was a blanket statement, painting all from that poltical spectrum with bigotry regardless of wether they agreed with Britainâ€™s University and College Union or not.<br />
Which in fact was not being anti-semitic anyways. Lame, yes. Petty, yes. But anti-semitic, no, and you should know the difference instead of throwing bombs like you did with that last statement. </p>
<p>If Friedman is using the same rhetoric then he is going at the subject in an extremist way rhetorically as well, but atleast he&#8217;s Jewish so I&#8217;d understand that to degree. Disagree with him, and shake my head at his wrong application of the term I would.</p>
<p>Friendman doesn&#8217;t have much credibility in my book anyways (see The Friedman unit for my reason).</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Steck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Steck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GreenDreams,

It is true that boycotts generally do not &lt;em&gt;necessarily&lt;/em&gt; mean bias is at work, but I think we should distinguish against economic boycotts and boycotts against persons.

South Africa was an economic boycott, designed as you said to bring economic pressure to bear.

The proposed British boycott is against academic relationships -- in short, against Israeli &lt;em&gt;persons&lt;/em&gt;.  It does not include a significant economic component designed to bring about pressure against state policy.  It is instead just an assumption that any person who is Israeli must be shunned.  

I think its fair to criticize a policy based on such an assumption as being intrinsically prejudiced.  It is no different from someone suggesting that all Zimbabweans be rejected in their applications to U.S. schools because we don&#039;t like Mugabe&#039;s repressive policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GreenDreams,</p>
<p>It is true that boycotts generally do not <em>necessarily</em> mean bias is at work, but I think we should distinguish against economic boycotts and boycotts against persons.</p>
<p>South Africa was an economic boycott, designed as you said to bring economic pressure to bear.</p>
<p>The proposed British boycott is against academic relationships &#8212; in short, against Israeli <em>persons</em>.  It does not include a significant economic component designed to bring about pressure against state policy.  It is instead just an assumption that any person who is Israeli must be shunned.  </p>
<p>I think its fair to criticize a policy based on such an assumption as being intrinsically prejudiced.  It is no different from someone suggesting that all Zimbabweans be rejected in their applications to U.S. schools because we don&#8217;t like Mugabe&#8217;s repressive policies.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boycott can be an effective economic tool to literally &quot;vote with our pocketbooks.&quot; Not that I am supporting such a boycott, which I don&#039;t, but if I chose to put pressure on the state of Israel by not buying Israeli products, it does NOT mean that I hate or even mildly dislike Jewish people. It does not make me anti-Semitic. I do not personally hate or dislike white South Africans, but I supported a boycott of South African products in order to pressure that country to change its policies. Let&#039;s make a distinction between political action, including economic boycott, and personal likes or dislikes. There is no shame in how we decide to use our money for furthering what may be political goals or simple expressions of disagreement with a regime. Disliking the regime does not mean disliking the people. Personally, I love Americans, but despise the current administration. I don&#039;t have anything against people who work for the Coca-Cola Company, but I support a boycott of their products because of socially destructive actions by that company.

I&#039;m really tired of the personal barbs here. if through political or economic pressure the Israelis and Palestinians can be made to see that it&#039;s in their best interest to come seriously to the negotiating table, that&#039;s a good thing. It doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m &quot;for&quot; or &quot;against&quot; either in Israelis or Palestinians. It just means that I want any &lt;strong&gt;peaceful &lt;/strong&gt;pressure possible brought to bear to seek out a &lt;strong&gt;peaceful &lt;/strong&gt;solution to this conflict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boycott can be an effective economic tool to literally &#8220;vote with our pocketbooks.&#8221; Not that I am supporting such a boycott, which I don&#8217;t, but if I chose to put pressure on the state of Israel by not buying Israeli products, it does NOT mean that I hate or even mildly dislike Jewish people. It does not make me anti-Semitic. I do not personally hate or dislike white South Africans, but I supported a boycott of South African products in order to pressure that country to change its policies. Let&#8217;s make a distinction between political action, including economic boycott, and personal likes or dislikes. There is no shame in how we decide to use our money for furthering what may be political goals or simple expressions of disagreement with a regime. Disliking the regime does not mean disliking the people. Personally, I love Americans, but despise the current administration. I don&#8217;t have anything against people who work for the Coca-Cola Company, but I support a boycott of their products because of socially destructive actions by that company.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really tired of the personal barbs here. if through political or economic pressure the Israelis and Palestinians can be made to see that it&#8217;s in their best interest to come seriously to the negotiating table, that&#8217;s a good thing. It doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m &#8220;for&#8221; or &#8220;against&#8221; either in Israelis or Palestinians. It just means that I want any <strong>peaceful </strong>pressure possible brought to bear to seek out a <strong>peaceful </strong>solution to this conflict.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pyst: are you calling Tom Friedman an extremist?

LMAO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pyst: are you calling Tom Friedman an extremist?</p>
<p>LMAO</p>
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		<title>By: jdledell</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdledell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael - The Palestinians in the West Bank are NOT looking for an Israeli/US investment in medical facilities, new schools and playgrounds. They are looking for dignity and respect a life of their own. As I am sure you are aware as these &quot;pacification&quot; investments are made, Israel will eat up more and more territory for settlements and the Palestinian &quot;reservations&quot; will continue to shrink. 

Meanwhile Israel continues to take, on average, 93 gallons of water/person/day for the settlers from the West Bank aquifers while only allowing 19 gallons/person/day for Palestinians. Hmm - that sure is fair. 

Do you have any caomments on these points?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8211; The Palestinians in the West Bank are NOT looking for an Israeli/US investment in medical facilities, new schools and playgrounds. They are looking for dignity and respect a life of their own. As I am sure you are aware as these &#8220;pacification&#8221; investments are made, Israel will eat up more and more territory for settlements and the Palestinian &#8220;reservations&#8221; will continue to shrink. </p>
<p>Meanwhile Israel continues to take, on average, 93 gallons of water/person/day for the settlers from the West Bank aquifers while only allowing 19 gallons/person/day for Palestinians. Hmm &#8211; that sure is fair. </p>
<p>Do you have any caomments on these points?</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The proposed boycott is unfairly biased against Israel, so calling it &#039;anti-Israel would be quite correct.  IMO, it would have counter productive results. It would result in  stopping an exchange of ideas, thus relinquishing the path of influence by reasoning.   It would create two acrimonious camps, trading accusations and insults, thus obstrucing the path of seeking long term solutions.

Calling the boycott an act of anti-semitism has the exact same negative result.  Now we are no longer talking about the boycott but about who is anti-semitic and who is not.

The trouble is, that since Israel has an intrinsic Jewish identity, the exact demarcation line beween anti-Israel feelings and anti-semitism in a particular case, event or individual may turn out to be illusory.
Does anti-semitism give rise to criticism of Israel?
Does disapprobal of Israel&#039;s actions give rise to anti-semitism?
These are not either/or questions.  Both can be true, one can be more true than the other in a specific case, etc.  The possibilities and combinations are many, many.  

It&#039;s crucial that the boycott be discussed, criticized 
and opposed in every wary.  The facile &#039;anti-semitism&#039;  tag, diverts attention into tangental areas, and dilutes rather than strengthens opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proposed boycott is unfairly biased against Israel, so calling it &#8216;anti-Israel would be quite correct.  IMO, it would have counter productive results. It would result in  stopping an exchange of ideas, thus relinquishing the path of influence by reasoning.   It would create two acrimonious camps, trading accusations and insults, thus obstrucing the path of seeking long term solutions.</p>
<p>Calling the boycott an act of anti-semitism has the exact same negative result.  Now we are no longer talking about the boycott but about who is anti-semitic and who is not.</p>
<p>The trouble is, that since Israel has an intrinsic Jewish identity, the exact demarcation line beween anti-Israel feelings and anti-semitism in a particular case, event or individual may turn out to be illusory.<br />
Does anti-semitism give rise to criticism of Israel?<br />
Does disapprobal of Israel&#8217;s actions give rise to anti-semitism?<br />
These are not either/or questions.  Both can be true, one can be more true than the other in a specific case, etc.  The possibilities and combinations are many, many.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s crucial that the boycott be discussed, criticized<br />
and opposed in every wary.  The facile &#8216;anti-semitism&#8217;  tag, diverts attention into tangental areas, and dilutes rather than strengthens opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: Pyst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firebreathing only requires the lack of critical thought Michael.

As a high ranking blogger here at TMV (emphasis on Moderate btw) you should know better than to post things that are from the extreme edges of political spectrum, and blatantly designed to provoke  extreme feelings. I&#039;d expect trash like that from LGF, FreeRepublic, or Democratic Underground not TMV.

It seems you go into some kind of alternate personality when it comes to your pet subject (Israel) eventho you have absoloutely nothing invested in it. I take it much less serious and I have a large branch of my family that happens to be Jewish as is my girlfriend. So mellow out, and try to be more thoughtful, because when you are you post good stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firebreathing only requires the lack of critical thought Michael.</p>
<p>As a high ranking blogger here at TMV (emphasis on Moderate btw) you should know better than to post things that are from the extreme edges of political spectrum, and blatantly designed to provoke  extreme feelings. I&#8217;d expect trash like that from LGF, FreeRepublic, or Democratic Underground not TMV.</p>
<p>It seems you go into some kind of alternate personality when it comes to your pet subject (Israel) eventho you have absoloutely nothing invested in it. I take it much less serious and I have a large branch of my family that happens to be Jewish as is my girlfriend. So mellow out, and try to be more thoughtful, because when you are you post good stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol - Chris, what do I suggest in the other post? I am talking about investing in the West Bank &lt;em&gt;bigtime&lt;/em&gt;, I am talking about helping those who need medical treatment, etc. Yes, I am also talking about starving Hamas (as a &lt;em&gt;figure of speech&lt;/em&gt;), but I also say we should invest much, very much, in the West Bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol &#8211; Chris, what do I suggest in the other post? I am talking about investing in the West Bank <em>bigtime</em>, I am talking about helping those who need medical treatment, etc. Yes, I am also talking about starving Hamas (as a <em>figure of speech</em>), but I also say we should invest much, very much, in the West Bank.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
I never see you offer any serious suggestions to improve the lives of the Palestinians.  Which is something that absolutely has to happen before they will abandon extremism.

There has been little to no concilliatory gestures from the Israelis towards the Palestinians.  When they withdrew from Gaza, they took even more valuable land in the West Bank.

The net result for the Palestinians has been a worsening of conditions.  You somehow think that&#039;s going to breed moderation?

And yet, instead of focusing on the things we can do to make the Palestinians our friends, you want to &quot;starve Gaza&quot;, give weapons to Fatah and now root out anti-Semitism in British academia.  What&#039;s next?  Maybe there are some Australian teachers unions you can go after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
I never see you offer any serious suggestions to improve the lives of the Palestinians.  Which is something that absolutely has to happen before they will abandon extremism.</p>
<p>There has been little to no concilliatory gestures from the Israelis towards the Palestinians.  When they withdrew from Gaza, they took even more valuable land in the West Bank.</p>
<p>The net result for the Palestinians has been a worsening of conditions.  You somehow think that&#8217;s going to breed moderation?</p>
<p>And yet, instead of focusing on the things we can do to make the Palestinians our friends, you want to &#8220;starve Gaza&#8221;, give weapons to Fatah and now root out anti-Semitism in British academia.  What&#8217;s next?  Maybe there are some Australian teachers unions you can go after.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truflo: taht is of course indeed unacceptable. Let there be no doubt about that. However, I do believe that the Palestinian culture is one which encourages victimization, destruction, and celebrates life instead of death. That&#039;s, sadly, what Palestinians have been confronted with, from the day were born (if you don&#039;t believe me, watch some of the movies at Memri for instance, or just the one about Mickey the terrorist Mouse). 

No Chris, it&#039;s not. It has to do with real concern for a very real problem, alive and well in extreme left circles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truflo: taht is of course indeed unacceptable. Let there be no doubt about that. However, I do believe that the Palestinian culture is one which encourages victimization, destruction, and celebrates life instead of death. That&#8217;s, sadly, what Palestinians have been confronted with, from the day were born (if you don&#8217;t believe me, watch some of the movies at Memri for instance, or just the one about Mickey the terrorist Mouse). </p>
<p>No Chris, it&#8217;s not. It has to do with real concern for a very real problem, alive and well in extreme left circles.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Steck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Steck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I thought it was obvious I was being facetious in a sort of â€œhow long have you beaten your wifeâ€ kinda way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Davebo, I know that was the case, which is why I only posted a &quot;reminder&quot; rather than editing or deleting anything or even calling it a &quot;warning&quot;.  Anyway, it is probably best to avoid the &quot;you are a ___________&quot; formulation in any context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I thought it was obvious I was being facetious in a sort of â€œhow long have you beaten your wifeâ€ kinda way.</p></blockquote>
<p>Davebo, I know that was the case, which is why I only posted a &#8220;reminder&#8221; rather than editing or deleting anything or even calling it a &#8220;warning&#8221;.  Anyway, it is probably best to avoid the &#8220;you are a ___________&#8221; formulation in any context.</p>
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		<title>By: jdledell</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdledell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael - I personally think the British Academic boycott is wrong. Not because it is anti-semetic but it is wrong because it is counter productive. Most Israeli academics are NOT Zionists and are relatively impartial when it comes to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. 

However, I would ask you to refrain from being deliberately provacative. You knew when you wrote this that the word anti-semetism would raise howls of protest. You hide behind the fact that you do not call any specific individual anti-semetic but the casualness with which you use the term implies it&#039;s attachment to any criticism of Israel. 

If you look at the US and much of the world, hatred of Muslims for being who they are is a MUCH more prevelent problem than anti-semetism. If you read blogs here in the US you see an incredible amount of vile statements about muslims that would make your stomach turn. I don&#039;t see any statements quite so vile about Jews. Laura criticises people who are critical of Israel more than China, etc. as hypocrites. Are you a hypocrite for criticising anti-semetism when anti-muslim rantings are at least equally bad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8211; I personally think the British Academic boycott is wrong. Not because it is anti-semetic but it is wrong because it is counter productive. Most Israeli academics are NOT Zionists and are relatively impartial when it comes to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. </p>
<p>However, I would ask you to refrain from being deliberately provacative. You knew when you wrote this that the word anti-semetism would raise howls of protest. You hide behind the fact that you do not call any specific individual anti-semetic but the casualness with which you use the term implies it&#8217;s attachment to any criticism of Israel. </p>
<p>If you look at the US and much of the world, hatred of Muslims for being who they are is a MUCH more prevelent problem than anti-semetism. If you read blogs here in the US you see an incredible amount of vile statements about muslims that would make your stomach turn. I don&#8217;t see any statements quite so vile about Jews. Laura criticises people who are critical of Israel more than China, etc. as hypocrites. Are you a hypocrite for criticising anti-semetism when anti-muslim rantings are at least equally bad?</p>
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		<title>By: truflo</title>
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		<dc:creator>truflo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A final word and then I&#039;ll shut up.

It would be nice to read a post by Michael that tackles those on the right who spew forth hatred of the Palestinian people so foul it would  make your soul curl up. Ben Shapiro, for example:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The problem runs deeper than a few figureheads. The Palestinian Arab population is rotten to the core. 

But in the end, the blame must lie with the Palestinian Arabs themselves. They have accepted their role with relish. They are as responsible for their governmentâ€™s longstanding evil as the Germans were for the Nazisâ€™. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Double standards indeed, Laura.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A final word and then I&#8217;ll shut up.</p>
<p>It would be nice to read a post by Michael that tackles those on the right who spew forth hatred of the Palestinian people so foul it would  make your soul curl up. Ben Shapiro, for example:</p>
<blockquote><p>The problem runs deeper than a few figureheads. The Palestinian Arab population is rotten to the core. </p>
<p>But in the end, the blame must lie with the Palestinian Arabs themselves. They have accepted their role with relish. They are as responsible for their governmentâ€™s longstanding evil as the Germans were for the Nazisâ€™. </p></blockquote>
<p>Double standards indeed, Laura.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These charges of anti-Semitism from the likes of Michael, Thomas Friedman and AIPAC are all just meant to distract our attention away from the very real pain, suffering and death being visited upon the occupied Palestinians every single day. (Aided by American tax-payer dollars no less)

Michael, instead of calling everyone who disagrees with your position on Israel an anti-Semite, how about you start defending the well documented atrocities commited by the IDF and various over-zealous Israeli settlers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These charges of anti-Semitism from the likes of Michael, Thomas Friedman and AIPAC are all just meant to distract our attention away from the very real pain, suffering and death being visited upon the occupied Palestinians every single day. (Aided by American tax-payer dollars no less)</p>
<p>Michael, instead of calling everyone who disagrees with your position on Israel an anti-Semite, how about you start defending the well documented atrocities commited by the IDF and various over-zealous Israeli settlers.</p>
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