But that is a separate issue from whether a murderer for whom there is incontrovertible evidence: Bundy, Gacy, etc., should fry.

Have you EVER met a pro-cap pun person who’s supported executing innocents? But, even in a society free of bias, there would be the rare chance of pure error. Should we not drive cars because we know several hundred times more people will be killed in them than on death row. Freedom has a price, and risk.

I worry far more of the many murderers who buy their freedom- the OJ’s and Bulows, than of possible wrongly executed.

Doma’s silence (translated): ‘Got a can of whoop-ass opened up on me.’

Orson: Cap Pun and abortion have no correlation. Cap Pun entails a guilty human being. Abortion entails a non-human being. If you want rational debate, make rational correlatives.

And my comments have always mentioned the deterrent effect of execution. 100% for the murderer.

Question for all the anti-death penalty folks – do you also oppose abortion? The fetus is certainly innocent, and has no voice in the decision making process that will end its life. Is that any more or any less just than the possibility than an innocent man may be convicted and executed? Why or why not?

Again, I repeat – I don’t find either capital punishment or abortion attractive. I do think they are, at times, the ‘least bad’ (I hesitate to say ‘best’) resolution for a situation. I also respect my Catholic friends who oppose both abortion and executions for moral grounds. I have more difficulty accepting the viewpoint of the people who accept execution but not abortion, or abortion but not execution, as I find those views to be intellectually and morally hard to justify.

You make a vague appeal to emotion in your position. THAT is facile, and subject to your whims. Please. Look at how you are arguing with Jason in the evolution post, and you are using his tactics her, yet railing against his use of same there.

Try some facts, and intellect, for your position. Emotion turns too easily.

‘This word is often missing in the DP debate. It is not vengeance, although I think sanctioned vengeance is perfectly acceptable. All punition, sanctioned by the state, is vengeance and retribution, with varying degrees of both.

Too often, anti-DPers go overbiard- as Doma has, with hyperbole, and assume all DP supporters wanna execute all criminals.’

This is not declarative, but nuanced.

So, now that your claims are debunked (again) present some real arguments against the death penalty, other than your feelings (cue the cheesy 70s ballad).

Death is verity. Water runs downhill.
Please.

When you present a rational, fact based argument, maybe I’ll reconsder taking your comments on this thread seriously.

PS Metaphysical discussions can be interesting, too.
They don’t help much when it comes to making decisions in the here and now, though.

An opinion is not something that has any bearing on social problems.

Again, deal with the facts at hand.

Now, answer with specifics. And do not pout, please.

Your comment is condescending, which is to say, it assumes that if you say somehting emphatically enough, the larger than life tone will make an opicion magically correct.
To begin with, your statement is bereft of any real meaning. Death marks the end of life and all possible missteps while alive. So? Birth marks the beginning of life. A whole lot happens in between, and that is where the real challenges lie.

I can not and will not accept your facile view of killing, no matter how you phrase it. The end does not always justify the means.

BTW, your take on the radical left, right or anyone in between is irrelevant to me. This is my personal opinion.
And we disagree.
Period.

As for the claim that life in prison stops repeat murder- again, not so. Look at murder in jail. Should a tax fraud or some other minor offender- a drug user, have to get shiv’d because he’s housed with a killer who should have been iced? I don’t think so.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=retribution

Main Entry: ret·ri·bu·tion
Pronunciation: “re-tr&-’byü-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English retribucioun, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin retribution-, retributio, from Latin retribuere to pay back, from re- + tribuere to pay — more at TRIBUTE
1 : RECOMPENSE, REWARD
2 : the dispensing or receiving of reward or punishment especially in the hereafter
3 : something given or exacted in recompense; especially : PUNISHMENT

This word is often missing in the DP debate. It is not vengeance, although I think sanctioned vengeance is perfectly acceptable. All punition, sanctioned by the state, is vengeance and retribution, with varying degrees of both.

Too often, anti-DPers go overbiard- as Doma has, with hyperbole, and assume all DP supporters wanna execute all criminals.

Not so, only those were the evidence is overwhelming.

John Wayne Gacy fries.
Osama fries.
Ted Bundy fries.
John Gotti fries.
Tim McVeigh fries.

OJ Simpson walks.

If a case does not meet the high standards for the DP, so be it. BUT, it should be there for the serial killers, hitmen, terrorists, and spree killers; as well as those who kill with especial depravity and severity.

To not support that brings in to question the supposed claims of civility and kindness the anti-DPers wave, since they apparently care too little for the innocents in society that suffer from the murderers out there.

There is only one surefire way to prevent a murderer from recidivism, and it ain’t life in prison- check out statistics on murders committed while incarcerated.

Sorry, but like the Radical Right on evolution, the Loony Left loses its lunch on the DP.

Some methods that work are despicable, nevertheless.