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		<title>By: Richard Rorty (1931-2007) &#187; The Moderate Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rorty (1931-2007) &#187; The Moderate Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 23:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Professor Richard Rorty, one of America&#8217;s most prominent philosophers and leader of the pragmatist school of thought, has died. His book, Contingency, Irony, Solidarity is an all-time classic, and has a strong claim on any list of all-time greatest American political thinkers. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Professor Richard Rorty, one of America&#8217;s most prominent philosophers and leader of the pragmatist school of thought, has died. His book, Contingency, Irony, Solidarity is an all-time classic, and has a strong claim on any list of all-time greatest American political thinkers. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Greatest American Political Thinkers &#171; Michael P.F. van der GaliÃ«n</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Greatest American Political Thinkers &#171; Michael P.F. van der GaliÃ«n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 21:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 9th, 2007 by mvdg    David Schraub published a post 2 days ago entitled &#8220;Top Ten Greatest American Political Thinkers&#8221;. His list: 10. Abraham Lincoln, President [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 9th, 2007 by mvdg    David Schraub published a post 2 days ago entitled &#8220;Top Ten Greatest American Political Thinkers&#8221;. His list: 10. Abraham Lincoln, President [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Iconic Midwest</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13329/top-ten-greatest-american-political-thinkers/comment-page-1/#comment-84885</link>
		<dc:creator>Iconic Midwest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Constitutional law or politics, how can you draw a clear distinction?  And as for Veblen, he sure did a lot to alter the way we view class in America with huge political implications.

Were we to expand the list to include influential thought that may have had a more pernicious aspect to it the list could grow even more interesting (and contrversial.)

Off the top of my head I think of John C. Calhoun, Woodrow Wilson and almost everyone involved in the early years of establishing Political Science as a academic discipline (especially Charles E. Merriam.)

I also notice my list has no real conservatives on it.  Were the list expanded to 30 I&#039;m sure I&#039;d find a place for Milton Friedman and Forest McDonald.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Constitutional law or politics, how can you draw a clear distinction?  And as for Veblen, he sure did a lot to alter the way we view class in America with huge political implications.</p>
<p>Were we to expand the list to include influential thought that may have had a more pernicious aspect to it the list could grow even more interesting (and contrversial.)</p>
<p>Off the top of my head I think of John C. Calhoun, Woodrow Wilson and almost everyone involved in the early years of establishing Political Science as a academic discipline (especially Charles E. Merriam.)</p>
<p>I also notice my list has no real conservatives on it.  Were the list expanded to 30 I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;d find a place for Milton Friedman and Forest McDonald.</p>
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		<title>By: David Schraub</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Schraub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paine was the name my dad gave me as the obvious omission on the list. Veblen, of course, as a Carleton alum, gets mucho respect from me--but I consider him an economist rather than a political thinker (ditto for Holmes--law, not politics).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paine was the name my dad gave me as the obvious omission on the list. Veblen, of course, as a Carleton alum, gets mucho respect from me&#8211;but I consider him an economist rather than a political thinker (ditto for Holmes&#8211;law, not politics).</p>
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		<title>By: Iconic Midwest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iconic Midwest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And I do have to question the list being 10 White men. I feel like Du Bois, particularly, has to be on the list somewhere.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Du Bois would have made the next ten.  Thorstein Veblen, O.W. Holmes and Upton Sinclair would have made the honorable mention list as well.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Peirce a political philosopher? That IS broad.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I know...but if you go back an re-read &quot;The Fixation of Belief&quot; with an eye for its &lt;i&gt;political&lt;/i&gt; implications, they are profound.  Read that way they are in fact the most original words any American has added to political theory excepting Federalist #10.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Youâ€™re telling me Daniel Webster doesnâ€™t make that list????&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If there was an &quot;orator&quot; list I&#039;m sure he&#039;d be there.

But Webster is in good company, nobody mentioned Paine either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And I do have to question the list being 10 White men. I feel like Du Bois, particularly, has to be on the list somewhere.</p></blockquote>
<p>Du Bois would have made the next ten.  Thorstein Veblen, O.W. Holmes and Upton Sinclair would have made the honorable mention list as well.</p>
<blockquote><p>Peirce a political philosopher? That IS broad.</p></blockquote>
<p>I know&#8230;but if you go back an re-read &#8220;The Fixation of Belief&#8221; with an eye for its <i>political</i> implications, they are profound.  Read that way they are in fact the most original words any American has added to political theory excepting Federalist #10.</p>
<blockquote><p>Youâ€™re telling me Daniel Webster doesnâ€™t make that list????</p></blockquote>
<p>If there was an &#8220;orator&#8221; list I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;d be there.</p>
<p>But Webster is in good company, nobody mentioned Paine either.</p>
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		<title>By: Pyst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re telling me Daniel Webster doesn&#039;t make that list????</description>
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		<title>By: carpeicthus</title>
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		<dc:creator>carpeicthus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 04:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peirce a political philosopher? That IS broad.

I&#039;ve met hooks; she&#039;s an interesting cat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peirce a political philosopher? That IS broad.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met hooks; she&#8217;s an interesting cat.</p>
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		<title>By: David Schraub</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Schraub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 00:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how #8 turned into a 8) for Thomas Kuhn--especially fitting because Kuhn is a seriously cool dude.

I&#039;m a huge Ben Franklin fan (far more than any other founder), but I don&#039;t consider him to have had sufficient impact on political thought.

And I do have to question the list being 10 White men. I feel like Du Bois, particularly, has to be on the list somewhere.

As for Kenneth Waltz, I kind of split American political thought from IR in my head, but on the IR side of it he certainly is deserving, I feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how #8 turned into a <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> for Thomas Kuhn&#8211;especially fitting because Kuhn is a seriously cool dude.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a huge Ben Franklin fan (far more than any other founder), but I don&#8217;t consider him to have had sufficient impact on political thought.</p>
<p>And I do have to question the list being 10 White men. I feel like Du Bois, particularly, has to be on the list somewhere.</p>
<p>As for Kenneth Waltz, I kind of split American political thought from IR in my head, but on the IR side of it he certainly is deserving, I feel.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
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		<dc:creator>cosmoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d hardly lump Douglass with Angela Davis. Sometimes loons are loons immemorial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d hardly lump Douglass with Angela Davis. Sometimes loons are loons immemorial.</p>
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		<title>By: wjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about Kenneth Waltz?  Neorealism is still the dominant theory of International Relations almost thirty years after he developed it.

And I would throw up Alexander Wendt on the honorable mention list.  He&#039;s a relative newcomer, but I think in 50 years, his strand of constructivism could be talked about the way we talk about Waltz and neorealism today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about Kenneth Waltz?  Neorealism is still the dominant theory of International Relations almost thirty years after he developed it.</p>
<p>And I would throw up Alexander Wendt on the honorable mention list.  He&#8217;s a relative newcomer, but I think in 50 years, his strand of constructivism could be talked about the way we talk about Waltz and neorealism today.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashen Shard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashen Shard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,
Yeah, I only had one political science class, and it was a 100 level, though the prof did teach it as a 300 level political theory class ... never, that I remember, did he give the name of any political theorists during the class... though it is just as likely he did and I had drifted off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />
Yeah, I only had one political science class, and it was a 100 level, though the prof did teach it as a 300 level political theory class &#8230; never, that I remember, did he give the name of any political theorists during the class&#8230; though it is just as likely he did and I had drifted off.</p>
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		<title>By: David Schraub</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Schraub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Rawls? For serious? Ouch.</description>
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		<title>By: Iconic Midwest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iconic Midwest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m gonna take a rather expansive view as to what consitutes a &quot;political thinker&quot; as I will include people whose main work may not have been expressly political but who nonetheless impacted political thought.  

10) Frederick Jackson Turner, Historian (1861-1932)
9) Elmer Eric Schattschneider, Political Scientist (1892-1971)
8) Thomas Samuel Kuhn, Physicist and Historian (1922-1996)
7) Benjamin Franklin, Renaissance Man (1706-1790)
6) Charles Austin Beard, Historian (1874-1948)
5) William James, Psychologist and Philosopher (1842-1910)
4) Edmund Sears Morgan, Historian (1916-)
3) Henry David Thoreau, Writer (1817-1862)
2) Charles Sanders Peirce, Philosopher (1839-1914)
1) James Madison, President (1751-1836) 

Well, my list certainly wouldn&#039;t get past the PC police, would it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gonna take a rather expansive view as to what consitutes a &#8220;political thinker&#8221; as I will include people whose main work may not have been expressly political but who nonetheless impacted political thought.  </p>
<p>10) Frederick Jackson Turner, Historian (1861-1932)<br />
9) Elmer Eric Schattschneider, Political Scientist (1892-1971)<br />
 <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> Thomas Samuel Kuhn, Physicist and Historian (1922-1996)<br />
7) Benjamin Franklin, Renaissance Man (1706-1790)<br />
6) Charles Austin Beard, Historian (1874-1948)<br />
5) William James, Psychologist and Philosopher (1842-1910)<br />
4) Edmund Sears Morgan, Historian (1916-)<br />
3) Henry David Thoreau, Writer (1817-1862)<br />
2) Charles Sanders Peirce, Philosopher (1839-1914)<br />
1) James Madison, President (1751-1836) </p>
<p>Well, my list certainly wouldn&#8217;t get past the PC police, would it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ashen Shard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashen Shard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Davis I&#039;ve heard of .... don&#039;t know much about her, but enough to recognize the name ... Rawls would be the other one I&#039;ve never heard of.

Gerrit Smith was actually a friend of Frederick Douglass for a time, up until the Brown incident.  He was also a co-founder of the Liberty Party, and was one of the main supporters of the idea that slavery was not supported by the constitution.  Wiki has a short article that has a bit more on him if you are interested.
BTW, I always found it amusing that his second wife was a Fitzhugh, making him related to one of the largest slave holding families, which included Robert E. Lee.  Also extremely ironic since he was good friends with John Brown and helped to fund (without realizing what he was funding) Brown&#039;s raid on Harpers Ferry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Davis I&#8217;ve heard of &#8230;. don&#8217;t know much about her, but enough to recognize the name &#8230; Rawls would be the other one I&#8217;ve never heard of.</p>
<p>Gerrit Smith was actually a friend of Frederick Douglass for a time, up until the Brown incident.  He was also a co-founder of the Liberty Party, and was one of the main supporters of the idea that slavery was not supported by the constitution.  Wiki has a short article that has a bit more on him if you are interested.<br />
BTW, I always found it amusing that his second wife was a Fitzhugh, making him related to one of the largest slave holding families, which included Robert E. Lee.  Also extremely ironic since he was good friends with John Brown and helped to fund (without realizing what he was funding) Brown&#8217;s raid on Harpers Ferry.</p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know Dewey for his education work, pragmatist philosophy, phil of nature, and even some of his work on logic. Never got around to the democracy stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know Dewey for his education work, pragmatist philosophy, phil of nature, and even some of his work on logic. Never got around to the democracy stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Iconic Midwest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iconic Midwest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW I consider Iris Young&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Justice and the Politics of Difference&lt;/i&gt; one of the truly appalling works of the last 30 years.

I didn&#039;t know she had passed away last year, however.  That is sort of sad as she was much debated when I was in grad school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW I consider Iris Young&#8217;s <i>Justice and the Politics of Difference</i> one of the truly appalling works of the last 30 years.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know she had passed away last year, however.  That is sort of sad as she was much debated when I was in grad school.</p>
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		<title>By: Iconic Midwest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iconic Midwest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this a list that reflects your favorites, or a list of who you consider the best?  I think this matters because something can be a &quot;favorite&quot; even if you recognize it is flawed to a greater or lesser degree. 

I&#039;m gonna sit back and think of my own Top 10, but I don&#039;t think any of yours will crack the list..except maybe Madison.

Also, would you limit this to the post 1776 era?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this a list that reflects your favorites, or a list of who you consider the best?  I think this matters because something can be a &#8220;favorite&#8221; even if you recognize it is flawed to a greater or lesser degree. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m gonna sit back and think of my own Top 10, but I don&#8217;t think any of yours will crack the list..except maybe Madison.</p>
<p>Also, would you limit this to the post 1776 era?</p>
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		<title>By: David Schraub</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Schraub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I, for my part, have never heard of Gerrit Smith.

Just for fun, I&#039;m going to take a flier on the six you haven&#039;t heard of as...

Davis, hooks, Sandel, Nozick, Young, and Dewey?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I, for my part, have never heard of Gerrit Smith.</p>
<p>Just for fun, I&#8217;m going to take a flier on the six you haven&#8217;t heard of as&#8230;</p>
<p>Davis, hooks, Sandel, Nozick, Young, and Dewey?</p>
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		<title>By: Ashen Shard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashen Shard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cosmoetica,

Yesterdays lunatic fringe is today&#039;s mainstream.  Unless you still consider Frederick Douglass lunatic fringe  :-p

David,
Good list, though obviously I think something like that could go on forever.  Plus, there are many more names no one knows, and I didn&#039;t recognize six you listed btw.  For instance, and I would put him under honorable mention, Gerrit Smith.  But of course, I&#039;m showing my bias since I&#039;ve been busy researching his time in Congress for the past year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cosmoetica,</p>
<p>Yesterdays lunatic fringe is today&#8217;s mainstream.  Unless you still consider Frederick Douglass lunatic fringe  :-p</p>
<p>David,<br />
Good list, though obviously I think something like that could go on forever.  Plus, there are many more names no one knows, and I didn&#8217;t recognize six you listed btw.  For instance, and I would put him under honorable mention, Gerrit Smith.  But of course, I&#8217;m showing my bias since I&#8217;ve been busy researching his time in Congress for the past year.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
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		<description>What are your criteria, because you seem to have an odd mix of politicians, radicals, religious leaders, and Academics? Some propounded theory, whereas others could implement their ideas. Others were just on the lunatic fringe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are your criteria, because you seem to have an odd mix of politicians, radicals, religious leaders, and Academics? Some propounded theory, whereas others could implement their ideas. Others were just on the lunatic fringe.</p>
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