Comments on: Democracy, Accountability, and the Inevitability of Failure in Iraq http://themoderatevoice.com/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:37:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: kimrit http://themoderatevoice.com/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-84768 kimrit Fri, 08 Jun 2007 03:16:05 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/military/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/#comment-84768 Not a bit! Nobody can disagree with you 100%, LOL! But I do think they wanted to invade Iraq before 9/11 and tried to tie it together in a PR campaign. I think it was payback for the private contractors that helped them get into office. That's why they never cared how badly any of the contractors performed, just kept using the same ones over and over. Not a bit! Nobody can disagree with you 100%, LOL!

But I do think they wanted to invade Iraq before 9/11 and tried to tie it together in a PR campaign. I think it was payback for the private contractors that helped them get into office. That’s why they never cared how badly any of the contractors performed, just kept using the same ones over and over.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-84756 DLS Fri, 08 Jun 2007 00:34:49 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/military/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/#comment-84756 "I have to agree with DLS" How badly does that hurt? “I have to agree with DLS”

How badly does that hurt?

]]> By: kimrit http://themoderatevoice.com/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-84745 kimrit Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:45:50 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/military/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/#comment-84745 I've had that thought a couple of times too- because I've never seen an administration so doggedly determined to ignore all reasonable advice and go into a country so recklessly. And then to demonize anyone who had the temerity to point out the fired Sunni army had become an insurgency, or that the insurgency had turned into a civil war or who thought that the war would be expensive and require massive amounts of troops. But, in the end, I have to agree with DLS, I don't think even Bush and Cheney envisioned this kind of chaos or that what they were doing could lead to regional war. They had all the information, but just like before 9/11 ignored it. I’ve had that thought a couple of times too- because I’ve never seen an administration so doggedly determined to ignore all reasonable advice and go into a country so recklessly. And then to demonize anyone who had the temerity to point out the fired Sunni army had become an insurgency, or that the insurgency had turned into a civil war or who thought that the war would be expensive and require massive amounts of troops.

But, in the end, I have to agree with DLS, I don’t think even Bush and Cheney envisioned this kind of chaos or that what they were doing could lead to regional war. They had all the information, but just like before 9/11 ignored it.

]]> By: jdledell http://themoderatevoice.com/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-84742 jdledell Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:42:04 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/military/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/#comment-84742 One thing that the malfeasance in prosectuting this war points out is the the hope that somehow things will turn around with this tactical change or some other is invalid. As long as Bush is in power along with key decision makers like Cheney and Rice malfeasance will rule the day. These are idealogues and practical matters bore them. Gates and a couple of new generals will NOT be able to overcome the Cheney/Bush arrogant incompetence. This is why I am in favor of pulling out the troops now. Cheney/Bush could screw up a free lunch and I fear they will just make matters worse the longer we stay in Iraq. One thing that the malfeasance in prosectuting this war points out is the the hope that somehow things will turn around with this tactical change or some other is invalid. As long as Bush is in power along with key decision makers like Cheney and Rice malfeasance will rule the day. These are idealogues and practical matters bore them. Gates and a couple of new generals will NOT be able to overcome the Cheney/Bush arrogant incompetence. This is why I am in favor of pulling out the troops now. Cheney/Bush could screw up a free lunch and I fear they will just make matters worse the longer we stay in Iraq.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-84739 DLS Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:30:11 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/military/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/#comment-84739 Davebo said: <blockquote>That it’s just possible that to the architects of this war, absolutely nothing has gone wrong and the result we see today was the desired result.</blockquote> I disagree. First of all, Rumsfeld was fired after the 2006 elections; they know they've done some things wrong. Moreover, the reason why Dubya's father didn't go "all the way to Baghdad" (one reason among those why he wasn't re-elected in 1992) and why war was avoided for as long as it was, was because the "power vacuum," potential for civil war, and Iranian aggression were feared that long ago. Oh, and with such consequencdes there would be less, rather than more, potential for US energy company involvement in Iraq, which has some of the best petroleum resources on the planet. There's no way that would be the desired result. Davebo said:

That it’s just possible that to the architects of this war, absolutely nothing has gone wrong and the result we see today was the desired result.

I disagree. First of all, Rumsfeld was fired after the 2006 elections; they know they’ve done some things wrong. Moreover, the reason why Dubya’s father didn’t go “all the way to Baghdad” (one reason among those why he wasn’t re-elected in 1992) and why war was avoided for as long as it was, was because the “power vacuum,” potential for civil war, and Iranian aggression were feared that long ago. Oh, and with such consequencdes there would be less, rather than more, potential for US energy company involvement in Iraq, which has some of the best petroleum resources on the planet. There’s no way that would be the desired result.

]]> By: Democracy, Accountability, and the Inevitability of Failure in Iraq · Kokorec http://themoderatevoice.com/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-84708 Democracy, Accountability, and the Inevitability of Failure in Iraq · Kokorec Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:23:00 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/military/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/#comment-84708 [...] One may be tempted to yawn at yet more evidence of pre-war malfeasance on the part of those itching for war, from Bush on down, and there are those, like McCain, who argue that the war is what it is and that there is therefore no need to go back and examine its origins (in this sense, the pre-war period, when the case for war was being made and the military plans were being drawn up and finalized), but I would argue that the war and its origins are inseparable. The war is what it is — or has become what it has become — because of its origins. The war has gone horribly wrong, of course, but it has gone horribly wrong not because of what could not have been foreseen before the war but because those who started the war ignored the warnings provided to them by the intelligence community, warnings that have been proven to have been nothing if not prescient. (more…) [...] [...] One may be tempted to yawn at yet more evidence of pre-war malfeasance on the part of those itching for war, from Bush on down, and there are those, like McCain, who argue that the war is what it is and that there is therefore no need to go back and examine its origins (in this sense, the pre-war period, when the case for war was being made and the military plans were being drawn up and finalized), but I would argue that the war and its origins are inseparable. The war is what it is — or has become what it has become — because of its origins. The war has gone horribly wrong, of course, but it has gone horribly wrong not because of what could not have been foreseen before the war but because those who started the war ignored the warnings provided to them by the intelligence community, warnings that have been proven to have been nothing if not prescient. (more…) [...]

]]> By: Chris http://themoderatevoice.com/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-84678 Chris Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:05:18 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/military/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/#comment-84678 This type of news showcases a criminal negligence on the part of the President and his advisors. They should not still be running this country, and more importantly, the military. This type of news showcases a criminal negligence on the part of the President and his advisors. They should not still be running this country, and more importantly, the military.

]]> By: blackshards http://themoderatevoice.com/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-84663 blackshards Thu, 07 Jun 2007 19:28:12 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/military/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/#comment-84663 What's more relevant is how this information might impact the future, vis-a-vis Iran, for example. What’s more relevant is how this information might impact the future, vis-a-vis Iran, for example.

]]> By: Davebo http://themoderatevoice.com/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-84631 Davebo Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:49:55 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/military/13321/democracy-accountability-and-the-inevitability-of-failure-in-iraq/#comment-84631 I hate to beat this dead horse again, but this news seems to make it relevant. In the discussion of what went wrong with this war and whether it could have been prevented, we continue to ignore what is quickly becoming a distinct possibility and is supported by this news. That it's just possible that to the architects of this war, absolutely nothing has gone wrong and the result we see today was the desired result. I hate to beat this dead horse again, but this news seems to make it relevant.

In the discussion of what went wrong with this war and whether it could have been prevented, we continue to ignore what is quickly becoming a distinct possibility and is supported by this news.

That it’s just possible that to the architects of this war, absolutely nothing has gone wrong and the result we see today was the desired result.

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