A Brief Summary Of The Determining Factor in Upcoming 2012 Elections (With Special Thanks to The American Judiciary):

Money

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  • http://ironmikehouston.blogspot.com/ IronMikeHouston

    That is an obvious answer but I would thought a contributing member of the site could give a better anaysis. In 2008 Barack raised $779M and McCain raised $384M according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_for_the_2008_United_States_presidential_election

    Barack raised $2 for every McCain $1. Neither candidate received a penny from me since I didn’t support either candidate. The interesting part is the big banks and corporations like Goldman Sachs and Bear Sterns gave money to both candidates. I believe the right, left and middle see a problem with big money given to candidates.

    I would like to see a law where corporations (including unions), lobbyists and foreign interests would be banned from contributing to campaigns. The current Supreme Court will probably not support the law so it would have to be a constitutional amendment.

  • Allen

    Money is right because it is might.

    Those without money are scum and rightly have no might and few rights.

    Those with money need to give it to those that have more money because all the money in the world belongs rightly to the mighty and might is right.

    This is the Republican credo and it is undisputed.

  • RP

    Allen…Not everyone that considers themselves Republican believes those with money need to give it to those with more money.

    In 2008, 58.3 million americans considered themselve Republican and voted for McCain. In 2004, 62 million Americans voted for Bush. Do you believe all of these individuals are rich, or are they just brainwashed?

    I believe that those that vote Republican have strong moral and religious positions, they believe hard work brings the American dream, they believe in legal immigration, they believe in individual responsibility for the outcomes in their lives and they believe in a strong America where everyone pays something in support of this nation.

    Unlike Democrats that believe everyone with money, even those with a little money, should give it to those with less money or no money and won’t work for money if they can. That’s why almost 50% of Americans do not pay taxes and thats why almost 60 million people vote Republican. They are tired of supporting a large portion of the other 50% that could make money, but just want to feed off the ones that have to pay taxes.

  • adelinesdad

    Money loses its usefulness if people don’t allow themselves to convinced by it. I’m not opposed to reasonable campaign finance laws, but they are no substitute for an electorate that takes its responsibility seriously.

  • StockBoyLA

    RP said: “I believe that those that vote Republican have strong moral and religious positions, they believe hard work brings the American dream, they believe in legal immigration, they believe in individual responsibility for the outcomes in their lives and they believe in a strong America where everyone pays something in support of this nation.”

    So tell me what Republican policies and legislation support this? What legislation do the Republicans support that will directly affect the middle class?

  • StockBoyLA

    RP, As far as Republicans having strong moral and religious positions… so do Democrats. The difference is that Republicans want to force their views on everyone, whereas the Democratic Party believes that everyone should have the right to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. In the Democratic Party there is the same room for evangelical Christians (and there are many in the Democratic Party) as there is room for Muslims, atheists, etc. The Republican Party preaches hate or if you do not believe in the Christian God and if you are not heterosexual, then you’re damned to hell and don’t expect the Republican Party to do anything to make life better for you, in fact conservatives will take away your rights. The Democratic Party does not hinder one’s ability to practice religion as their faith allows them. The Republican Party does.

    RP said: “That’s why almost 50% of Americans do not pay taxes and thats why almost 60 million people vote Republican. They are tired of supporting a large portion of the other 50% that could make money, but just want to feed off the ones that have to pay taxes.”

    One can’t spend money in this country without paying taxes. There’s taxes on virtually everything one buys. There are vehicle taxes, cigarette and alcohol taxes, taxes on entertainment, taxes (so MANY taxes) on telephone/cell phone services, taxes on utilities… And there are property taxes. Even if one rents, it’s the landlord that pays the taxes but the landlord passes those taxes on to the renters in the form of rent….

    Please give me the name of one person who earns or spends money but doesn’t pay taxes. Also I thought the Republicans were for lower/no taxes. I guess when Republicans find it convenient than it’s OK to be for taxes…

    RP said: “Not everyone that considers themselves Republican believes those with money need to give it to those with more money.”

    I agree with that.. on the surface. However these fine American citizens vote for politicians and political leaders who DO believe that money speaks and if you don’t have money, then you’re SOL. In effect these voters keep these policies in place.

  • Allen

    adelinesdad-

    Yeah, there you go, blame it on the people. The media and parties pick the candidates, but it’s the voters that are somehow, “irresponsible”, if the right person don‘t get elected.

    Sounds like you’re a carbon copy of the Soviet Politburo….ie., pick between these we give you to pick from. OH that guys a dink, YOU screwed that up, you irresponsible voter you!

  • Allen

    Rp-

    Rich or Brainwashed? No just stupid.

    Social Capitalism works excellent in Germany, not to mention China, but Republicans bad mouth it and won’t allow it here. Why….greed.

    So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

  • StockBoyLA

    Adelinesdad- I agree with you, especially the part about the electorate taking its responsibility seriously. And our representatives have a higher standard since they make laws which affect us all. However when a political party’s sole purpose is to keep the other guy from winning then our whole democracy starts to go down the tubes. The strength of our nation, up to about when Bush took office, was compromise by the parties. It took compromise by both parties for us to have a booming economy under Clinton, tax rates that were reasonable and fair as well as reduce our national debt. We need to get back to the idea that all people can have a say, and sometimes you lose and sometimes you win. And when you lose you act like a statesman. It doesn’t surprise me that the electorate doesn’t take its job seriously when many of their elected officials do not. It’s really tough for citizens to educate themselves on all the legislation put forward, as well as candidates’ beliefs, especially if those candidates have no clear standards and flip flop just to get votes. Money keeps politicians in office. Not values or morals. We’ve all seen politicians claim to have values and morals, yet many do not and continue to be reelected.

  • adelinesdad

    Allen,

    Yes, the voters, as a group, are ultimately responsible for who gets in office. It’s pretty difficult to argue otherwise, since the voters are the only ones that have direct influence in that determination. No one is forcing anyone to pick between two bad choices. If there is no good choice the voters should abstain preferably visibly such as by writing in “None of the above”. This indicates their readiness to support a third option and inviting such an option to step forward. As long as we continue to choose the lesser or two bad choices, the media and the parties will continue to play us as they have.

    If your not comfortable with that, I’d ask: where do the media and political parties get their influence? What if everyone just stopped paying attention to them and started thinking or themselves? Again, yes, it comes down to the people. If the people demand a better system and better candidates, they’d get it.

  • The_Ohioan

    Here’s the current political partys’ congresspersons. Looks to me like money just might play a part.

    http://thedailywh.at/2011/11/01/rich-get-richer-of-the-day/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+feedburner%2Foicv+%28The+Daily+What%29

  • zephyr

    “I believe that those that vote Republican have strong moral and religious positions” – RP

    Too bad so few of those positions are actually shared (lip service doesn’t count) by the politicians republicans elect. MS is right, it’s about the money.