Comments on: Who Gets the Kidney? http://themoderatevoice.com/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/ An Internet hub for moderates, centrists, and independents, with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, and right Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:17:57 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés http://themoderatevoice.com/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/comment-page-1/#comment-83083 Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés Thu, 31 May 2007 01:00:48 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/the-netherlands/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/#comment-83083 just addendum... surely they dont leave people who truly need a transplant to go home and die? surely they help them somehow, yes? Like ven behind the scenes, long after the show? or do the producers pay some pittance the hard-pressed family really needs right now? If so, that may be the 'back story.' dr.e just addendum… surely they dont leave people who truly need a transplant to go home and die? surely they help them somehow, yes? Like ven behind the scenes, long after the show? or do the producers pay some pittance the hard-pressed family really needs right now? If so, that may be the ‘back story.’
dr.e

]]> By: Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés http://themoderatevoice.com/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/comment-page-1/#comment-83082 Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés Thu, 31 May 2007 00:58:17 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/the-netherlands/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/#comment-83082 I think Ashen ought contact a producer immediately with his/her idea... "...if they really wanted to promote awareness... more effective to show the person donating... everything that went behind the decision, why...donate ...whole process of person receiving donation, including whole hell of waiting list and finding a donor that matches..." often enough, the drama of a thing can draw as many viewers as an exclusionary game show format. The game show element, however, is the audeience does not know til the end how it turns out. But done well, the former could work well ... Tx MvdG for bringing this topic up, it's such a serious one... it could be that just such an outrageous show could accidentally raise people's awareness dr.e. I think Ashen ought contact a producer immediately with his/her idea… “…if they really wanted to promote awareness… more effective to show the person donating… everything that went behind the decision, why…donate …whole process of person receiving donation, including whole hell of waiting list and finding a donor that matches…”

often enough, the drama of a thing can draw as many viewers as an exclusionary game show format. The game show element, however, is the audeience does not know til the end how it turns out. But done well, the former could work well …

Tx MvdG for bringing this topic up, it’s such a serious one… it could be that just such an outrageous show could accidentally raise people’s awareness

dr.e.

]]> By: Holly in Cincinnati http://themoderatevoice.com/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/comment-page-1/#comment-82958 Holly in Cincinnati Wed, 30 May 2007 18:23:12 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/the-netherlands/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/#comment-82958 One can always opt-out of many aspects of popular culture - I have! One can always opt-out of many aspects of popular culture – I have!

]]> By: C Stanley http://themoderatevoice.com/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/comment-page-1/#comment-82945 C Stanley Wed, 30 May 2007 17:13:07 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/the-netherlands/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/#comment-82945 Heh. I've long felt that the US popular culture is an embarrassment so I have the same guilty feeling reading about this as I do when I see a child misbehaving in public; that feeling of being glad that other parents are having to deal with the situation instead of me. Heh. I’ve long felt that the US popular culture is an embarrassment so I have the same guilty feeling reading about this as I do when I see a child misbehaving in public; that feeling of being glad that other parents are having to deal with the situation instead of me.

]]> By: Rudi http://themoderatevoice.com/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/comment-page-1/#comment-82940 Rudi Wed, 30 May 2007 16:56:37 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/the-netherlands/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/#comment-82940 Here is a good source for a religious discussion. I was being a little snarky, it's peoples misconceptions on their Christian beliefs that hinder donation. I believe the Jewish response is a little more enlightened. http://people.bu.edu/wwildman/WeirdWildWeb/courses/thth/projects/thth_projects_2003_lewis/organ_donation.htm Here is a good source for a religious discussion. I was being a little snarky, it’s peoples misconceptions on their Christian beliefs that hinder donation. I believe the Jewish response is a little more enlightened.
http://people.bu.edu/wwildman/WeirdWildWeb/courses/thth/projects/thth_projects_2003_lewis/organ_donation.htm

]]> By: Holly in Cincinnati http://themoderatevoice.com/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/comment-page-1/#comment-82933 Holly in Cincinnati Wed, 30 May 2007 16:48:29 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/the-netherlands/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/#comment-82933 Here is a CCAR Responsum, a Reform Jewish legal ruling on organ donation: http://data.ccarnet.org/cgi-bin/respdisp.pl?file=2&year=5763 Here is a CCAR Responsum, a Reform Jewish legal ruling on organ donation:
http://data.ccarnet.org/cgi-bin/respdisp.pl?file=2&year=5763

]]> By: domajot http://themoderatevoice.com/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/comment-page-1/#comment-82931 domajot Wed, 30 May 2007 16:46:58 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/the-netherlands/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/#comment-82931 And here I thought Americans were the kings of poor taste TV. I find this surprising in 'culturally superior' Europe. And here I thought Americans were the kings of poor taste TV.

I find this surprising in ‘culturally superior’ Europe.

]]> By: Lynx http://themoderatevoice.com/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/comment-page-1/#comment-82927 Lynx Wed, 30 May 2007 16:38:00 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/the-netherlands/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/#comment-82927 Disgusting, really. Can you imagine cheering for the winner, while the losers are told "tough, better luck in your next life, sucker". Ugh, double ugh. Happily, Spain is has the highest doner rate in the EU. Sadly, donations aren't 100% of viable organs. Disgusting, really. Can you imagine cheering for the winner, while the losers are told “tough, better luck in your next life, sucker”. Ugh, double ugh.

Happily, Spain is has the highest doner rate in the EU. Sadly, donations aren’t 100% of viable organs.

]]> By: Rudi http://themoderatevoice.com/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/comment-page-1/#comment-82921 Rudi Wed, 30 May 2007 16:28:52 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/the-netherlands/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/#comment-82921 MvdG I agree this is completely tasteless. My interest in the serious subject of organ/body donation is older than you. In Michigan partisan special interests corrupted even body donations to medical universities. Many moons ago Wayne Stae University had a station wagon that picked up cadavers for medical research and their crash sled. The morticians and funeral directors didn't like the last free ride and enacted a law to get money for donations, the university cannot pick up a body. Only the "ghouls" at a funeral home are allowed, for a $300 fee. Brings back memories of 1970's punk and the song "Gary Gilmore's eyes". A big problem to organ donation lies in Christian mythos. :-( Can't have resurrection if your body isn't whole. MvdG I agree this is completely tasteless. My interest in the serious subject of organ/body donation is older than you. In Michigan partisan special interests corrupted even body donations to medical universities. Many moons ago Wayne Stae University had a station wagon that picked up cadavers for medical research and their crash sled. The morticians and funeral directors didn’t like the last free ride and enacted a law to get money for donations, the university cannot pick up a body. Only the “ghouls” at a funeral home are allowed, for a $300 fee. Brings back memories of 1970’s punk and the song “Gary Gilmore’s eyes”.

A big problem to organ donation lies in Christian mythos. :-(
Can’t have resurrection if your body isn’t whole.

]]> By: Michael van der Galien http://themoderatevoice.com/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/comment-page-1/#comment-82916 Michael van der Galien Wed, 30 May 2007 16:17:55 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/the-netherlands/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/#comment-82916 Umh. We exported reality shows I am afraid. Big Brother is created by a Dutchman: John de Mol. Umh. We exported reality shows I am afraid. Big Brother is created by a Dutchman: John de Mol.

]]> By: Ashen Shard http://themoderatevoice.com/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/comment-page-1/#comment-82913 Ashen Shard Wed, 30 May 2007 16:14:42 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/the-netherlands/13136/who-gets-the-kidney/#comment-82913 I personally think a show like this is tasteless, and worthless in promoting this cause. It makes it into a game, which I don't think is something people can connect with. Only a select few get this experience, for the rest it is far from reality. Seems like the US has done a good job of exporting its 'reality' shows which are typically anything but reality. There are a bunch of channels in the US that deal with health topics. Discovery health, TLC for example. I think if they really wanted to promote awareness it would be more effective to show the person donating, and everything that went behind the decision as why they should donate, and the whole process of the person receiving the donation, including the whole hell of the waiting list and finding a donor that matches. That I think would be something people can understand and connect with. I personally think a show like this is tasteless, and worthless in promoting this cause. It makes it into a game, which I don’t think is something people can connect with. Only a select few get this experience, for the rest it is far from reality. Seems like the US has done a good job of exporting its ‘reality’ shows which are typically anything but reality.
There are a bunch of channels in the US that deal with health topics. Discovery health, TLC for example. I think if they really wanted to promote awareness it would be more effective to show the person donating, and everything that went behind the decision as why they should donate, and the whole process of the person receiving the donation, including the whole hell of the waiting list and finding a donor that matches. That I think would be something people can understand and connect with.

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