Comments on: Hate Crimes (And Terrorism) Revisited http://themoderatevoice.com/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:18:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Ro http://themoderatevoice.com/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/comment-page-1/#comment-82306 Ro Fri, 25 May 2007 21:24:12 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/media/blogging/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/#comment-82306 Does it need to be said yet again that our criminal justice system already dictates different punishments depending upon motive? Does it need to be said yet again that our criminal justice system already dictates different punishments depending upon motive?

]]> By: Mr.Moderate http://themoderatevoice.com/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/comment-page-1/#comment-82221 Mr.Moderate Fri, 25 May 2007 11:29:46 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/media/blogging/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/#comment-82221 <I>The point was not that we need more or expanded hate crime laws, it is that hate crime laws are a bad thing, and should be eliminated.</I> I see people here and in the blogosphere saying that but not in the right wing media or in Washington. There it is all about creating special rights for gays, ignoring the fact that the "special rights" already exist. Saying the concept should be struck down is a consistent argument but it's not one the right wing politicians and talking heads are making. The point was not that we need more or expanded hate crime laws, it is that hate crime laws are a bad thing, and should be eliminated.

I see people here and in the blogosphere saying that but not in the right wing media or in Washington. There it is all about creating special rights for gays, ignoring the fact that the “special rights” already exist. Saying the concept should be struck down is a consistent argument but it’s not one the right wing politicians and talking heads are making.

]]> By: Mr.Moderate http://themoderatevoice.com/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/comment-page-1/#comment-82220 Mr.Moderate Fri, 25 May 2007 11:28:16 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/media/blogging/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/#comment-82220 <I>Beating up a gay person should carry the same penalties whether hate motivated it or not.</i> ...and that is the current problem. At this time, in many parts of the country, it doesn't carry the same penalty. It's just a case of a "dumb faggot" getting what he deserved. Beating up a gay person should carry the same penalties whether hate motivated it or not.

…and that is the current problem. At this time, in many parts of the country, it doesn’t carry the same penalty. It’s just a case of a “dumb faggot” getting what he deserved.

]]> By: AustinRoth http://themoderatevoice.com/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/comment-page-1/#comment-82207 AustinRoth Fri, 25 May 2007 03:51:07 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/media/blogging/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/#comment-82207 <blockquote>I think you’ve missed the point here. There are already hate crimes laws</blockquote> No Holly, it is YOU that missed the point. The point was not that we need more or expanded hate crime laws, it is that hate crime laws are a bad thing, and should be eliminated. Heck, those girls are being charged for thought, er, hate crime against GAYS, one being held without bail, simply for speech that did not advocate or incite violence. What more are you looking for? You want maybe the death penalty for speaking against the causes you believe in?

I think you’ve missed the point here. There are already hate crimes laws

No Holly, it is YOU that missed the point.

The point was not that we need more or expanded hate crime laws, it is that hate crime laws are a bad thing, and should be eliminated.

Heck, those girls are being charged for thought, er, hate crime against GAYS, one being held without bail, simply for speech that did not advocate or incite violence.

What more are you looking for? You want maybe the death penalty for speaking against the causes you believe in?

]]> By: Holly in Cincinnati http://themoderatevoice.com/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/comment-page-1/#comment-82205 Holly in Cincinnati Fri, 25 May 2007 03:15:54 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/media/blogging/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/#comment-82205 I think you've missed the point here. There are already hate crimes laws - the issue is whether to extend coverage under them to crimes committed against people like me. I think you’ve missed the point here. There are already hate crimes laws – the issue is whether to extend coverage under them to crimes committed against people like me.

]]> By: Dyre Portents http://themoderatevoice.com/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/comment-page-1/#comment-82177 Dyre Portents Thu, 24 May 2007 20:20:06 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/media/blogging/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/#comment-82177 <strong>Eco-terrorism Case Revisited</strong> Last night I posted about a group of radical environmentalists that may be sentenced as terrorists and today I ran across a discussion over at TMV between Shaun Mullen and Captain Ed of Captain's Quarters that originally started about hate crime leg... Eco-terrorism Case Revisited

Last night I posted about a group of radical environmentalists that may be sentenced as terrorists and today I ran across a discussion over at TMV between Shaun Mullen and Captain Ed of Captain’s Quarters that originally started about hate crime leg…

]]> By: Entropy http://themoderatevoice.com/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/comment-page-1/#comment-82161 Entropy Thu, 24 May 2007 19:34:01 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/media/blogging/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/#comment-82161 Glad you two can agree. Ed is undoubtedly one of the most reasonable and thoughtful bloggers on the right and I have to say I agree with both of you on the topic at hand. Dyre42 brings up ecoterrorism and is right to include that as a stupid moniker. Burning down an empty ski lodge is arson, not terrorism. Glad you two can agree. Ed is undoubtedly one of the most reasonable and thoughtful bloggers on the right and I have to say I agree with both of you on the topic at hand.

Dyre42 brings up ecoterrorism and is right to include that as a stupid moniker. Burning down an empty ski lodge is arson, not terrorism.

]]> By: Dyre42 http://themoderatevoice.com/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/comment-page-1/#comment-82157 Dyre42 Thu, 24 May 2007 18:47:42 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/media/blogging/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/#comment-82157 Oddly enough I said something similar last night regarding an "ecoterrorism" case that has begun the sentencing phase. Oddly enough I said something similar last night regarding an “ecoterrorism” case that has begun the sentencing phase.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/comment-page-1/#comment-82135 DLS Thu, 24 May 2007 17:26:52 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/media/blogging/13027/another-go-round-on-hate-crimes-and-terrorism/#comment-82135 Better to learn late than never, Shaun. Better to learn late than never, Shaun.

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