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		<title>By: kritter</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13007/attorneygate-worse-worser-and-worsest/comment-page-1/#comment-82054</link>
		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 13:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it the same people who hate it so much when minorities play the race card, have no compunction about doing the same thing with regards to religion? You can be a Christian and love God or not be a Christian but respect the religious rights of others without wanting the ranks of government filled with evangelicals from 4th rate law schools. Goodling should have been choosing the most competent people for the postion without regard to their ideology, religious views or political affiliation. Not doing so weakens the agency, and we have already seen that DOJ has become quite dysfunctional. How does that reality indicate a bias towards Christians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it the same people who hate it so much when minorities play the race card, have no compunction about doing the same thing with regards to religion? You can be a Christian and love God or not be a Christian but respect the religious rights of others without wanting the ranks of government filled with evangelicals from 4th rate law schools. Goodling should have been choosing the most competent people for the postion without regard to their ideology, religious views or political affiliation. Not doing so weakens the agency, and we have already seen that DOJ has become quite dysfunctional. How does that reality indicate a bias towards Christians?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 05:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monica Goodling is a graduate of Regent University, a place where the only point to their school of law is to produce people like her who believe that they have a mission to reclaim the United States and its government for Christianity. To that end they are blindly loyal to conservative Republicans who apparently will help them towards that goal. While they may not phrase it quite the way I do they are pretty open about most of it. To be critical of them and their goal is not being bigoted against all of Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monica Goodling is a graduate of Regent University, a place where the only point to their school of law is to produce people like her who believe that they have a mission to reclaim the United States and its government for Christianity. To that end they are blindly loyal to conservative Republicans who apparently will help them towards that goal. While they may not phrase it quite the way I do they are pretty open about most of it. To be critical of them and their goal is not being bigoted against all of Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13007/attorneygate-worse-worser-and-worsest/comment-page-1/#comment-82022</link>
		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 23:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Gore at least uses  data which is backed up by the scientific community- he doesn&#039;t think he&#039;s attempting a divine intervention. All we are complaining about is packing the DOJ with fourth-rate,inexperienced, ideologically pure lawyers. We already saw how well this personnel method worked in the CPA under Jerry Bremer, lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Gore at least uses  data which is backed up by the scientific community- he doesn&#8217;t think he&#8217;s attempting a divine intervention. All we are complaining about is packing the DOJ with fourth-rate,inexperienced, ideologically pure lawyers. We already saw how well this personnel method worked in the CPA under Jerry Bremer, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Iconic Midwest</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13007/attorneygate-worse-worser-and-worsest/comment-page-1/#comment-82020</link>
		<dc:creator>Iconic Midwest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 23:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Monica and her fellow disciples from Jesus Christ Law School believed that they were on a misson from God.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Al Gore believes he is on a mission to &quot;save the world.&quot;  That doesn&#039;t mean he is a loon, does it.

Than again....maybe you are on to something.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Monica and her fellow disciples from Jesus Christ Law School believed that they were on a misson from God.</p></blockquote>
<p>Al Gore believes he is on a mission to &#8220;save the world.&#8221;  That doesn&#8217;t mean he is a loon, does it.</p>
<p>Than again&#8230;.maybe you are on to something.  <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13007/attorneygate-worse-worser-and-worsest/comment-page-1/#comment-82019</link>
		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 23:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the positions that she interviewed candidates for were rank and file civil service positions, that are expressly supposed to be decided on a nonpartisan basis. The turnover at Justice has affected many lawyers who were not USA&#039;s. She admitted in her testimony that she violated the civil service laws. That, and not the &quot;Scooter Libby&quot; perjury trap was why she hired a lawyer and told the committee that she would plead the fifth. All of that right wing media buzz was misinformation again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the positions that she interviewed candidates for were rank and file civil service positions, that are expressly supposed to be decided on a nonpartisan basis. The turnover at Justice has affected many lawyers who were not USA&#8217;s. She admitted in her testimony that she violated the civil service laws. That, and not the &#8220;Scooter Libby&#8221; perjury trap was why she hired a lawyer and told the committee that she would plead the fifth. All of that right wing media buzz was misinformation again!</p>
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		<title>By: PatHMV</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13007/attorneygate-worse-worser-and-worsest/comment-page-1/#comment-82006</link>
		<dc:creator>PatHMV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 21:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, there is one more, very important exception that you don&#039;t mention. The law only applies to personnel action regarding &quot;covered positions,&quot; which are defined as follows:

&lt;blockquote&gt;(B) â€œcovered positionâ€ means, with respect to any personnel action, any position in the competitive service, a career appointee position in the Senior Executive Service, or a position in the excepted service, but does not include any position which is, prior to the personnel actionâ€”
&lt;b&gt;(i) excepted from the competitive service because of its confidential, policy-determining, policy-making, or policy-advocating character;&lt;/b&gt; or
(ii) excluded from the coverage of this section by the President based on a determination by the President that it is necessary and warranted by conditions of good administration; and&lt;/blockquote&gt;

U.S. Attorneys positions are policy-determining, policy-making, or policy-advocating in character. Thus, they are covered under the exception shown in the bolded language above. You can read the whole law here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode05/usc_sec_05_00002302----000-.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;5 USC 2302&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, there is one more, very important exception that you don&#8217;t mention. The law only applies to personnel action regarding &#8220;covered positions,&#8221; which are defined as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>(B) â€œcovered positionâ€ means, with respect to any personnel action, any position in the competitive service, a career appointee position in the Senior Executive Service, or a position in the excepted service, but does not include any position which is, prior to the personnel actionâ€”<br />
<b>(i) excepted from the competitive service because of its confidential, policy-determining, policy-making, or policy-advocating character;</b> or<br />
(ii) excluded from the coverage of this section by the President based on a determination by the President that it is necessary and warranted by conditions of good administration; and</p></blockquote>
<p>U.S. Attorneys positions are policy-determining, policy-making, or policy-advocating in character. Thus, they are covered under the exception shown in the bolded language above. You can read the whole law here: <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode05/usc_sec_05_00002302----000-.html" rel="nofollow">5 USC 2302</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;2302(b) of title 5 of the United States Code

b) Any employee who has authority to take, direct others to take, recommend, or approve any personnel action, shall not, with respect to such authority--
    (1) discriminate for or against any employee or applicant for employment--

        (A) on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, as prohibited under section 717 of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 2000e-16); 
        (B) on the basis of age, as prohibited under sections 12 and 15 of the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (29 U.S.C. 631, 633a); 
        (C) on the basis of sex, as prohibited under section 6(d) of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 (29 U.S.C. 206(d)); 
        (D) on the basis of handicapping condition, as prohibited under section 501 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (29 U.S.C. 791); or 
        (E) on the basis of marital status or political affiliation, as prohibited under any law, rule, or regulation; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

In case anyone wants to read the law.  There is an exception to this but the action has to specifically come from the President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>2302(b) of title 5 of the United States Code</p>
<p>b) Any employee who has authority to take, direct others to take, recommend, or approve any personnel action, shall not, with respect to such authority&#8211;<br />
    (1) discriminate for or against any employee or applicant for employment&#8211;</p>
<p>        (A) on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, as prohibited under section 717 of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 2000e-16);<br />
        (B) on the basis of age, as prohibited under sections 12 and 15 of the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (29 U.S.C. 631, 633a);<br />
        (C) on the basis of sex, as prohibited under section 6(d) of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 (29 U.S.C. 206(d));<br />
        (D) on the basis of handicapping condition, as prohibited under section 501 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (29 U.S.C. 791); or<br />
        (E) on the basis of marital status or political affiliation, as prohibited under any law, rule, or regulation; </p></blockquote>
<p>In case anyone wants to read the law.  There is an exception to this but the action has to specifically come from the President.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13007/attorneygate-worse-worser-and-worsest/comment-page-1/#comment-81988</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun,
It&#039;s the Christian Broadcasting Network University.  Don&#039;t make that mistake again! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun,<br />
It&#8217;s the Christian Broadcasting Network University.  Don&#8217;t make that mistake again! <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13007/attorneygate-worse-worser-and-worsest/comment-page-1/#comment-81985</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Holly:&lt;/em&gt;

I am shocked!  Just shocked!

&lt;em&gt;Iconic Midwest:&lt;/em&gt;

I will leave it to you and others as to whether I am a bigot.  But I would be remiss not to note in passing that Monica and her fellow disciples from Jesus Christ Law School believed that they were on a misson from God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Holly:</em></p>
<p>I am shocked!  Just shocked!</p>
<p><em>Iconic Midwest:</em></p>
<p>I will leave it to you and others as to whether I am a bigot.  But I would be remiss not to note in passing that Monica and her fellow disciples from Jesus Christ Law School believed that they were on a misson from God.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly in Cincinnati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly in Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun, I love your conjugation! I wonder if bottom-thumping Bible-feeder would be equally descriptive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun, I love your conjugation! I wonder if bottom-thumping Bible-feeder would be equally descriptive?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13007/attorneygate-worse-worser-and-worsest/comment-page-1/#comment-81976</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religious fundamentalism in all its forms (Christian, Muslim, Jewish, and others) all threaten our &quot;Western&quot; way of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religious fundamentalism in all its forms (Christian, Muslim, Jewish, and others) all threaten our &#8220;Western&#8221; way of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Iconic Midwest</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13007/attorneygate-worse-worser-and-worsest/comment-page-1/#comment-81973</link>
		<dc:creator>Iconic Midwest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 19:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun, maybe you truly are not a bigot, but Jesus H Christ you sure do sound like one.

I know, I know...some of your best friends are chistians....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun, maybe you truly are not a bigot, but Jesus H Christ you sure do sound like one.</p>
<p>I know, I know&#8230;some of your best friends are chistians&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13007/attorneygate-worse-worser-and-worsest/comment-page-1/#comment-81965</link>
		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 19:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I understand why she crawled under a rock, lawyered up, plead the fifth, and wouldn&#039;t testify without immunity. Because she didn&#039;t think she&#039;d really done anything wrong. Because she just wanted to serve George Bush, our first president who gets his orders straight from God. Who would want to mess with divinity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I understand why she crawled under a rock, lawyered up, plead the fifth, and wouldn&#8217;t testify without immunity. Because she didn&#8217;t think she&#8217;d really done anything wrong. Because she just wanted to serve George Bush, our first president who gets his orders straight from God. Who would want to mess with divinity?</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13007/attorneygate-worse-worser-and-worsest/comment-page-1/#comment-81961</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 18:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Gonzo has a pet? I hope he doesn&#039;t allow politics to inteferr with a cat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Gonzo has a pet? I hope he doesn&#8217;t allow politics to inteferr with a cat.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 18:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>superdestroy,
Keep on truckin!

Only the staunch right-wingers think that this affair is a non-issue.  The actions of this administration with regards to DoJ are not par for the course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>superdestroy,<br />
Keep on truckin!</p>
<p>Only the staunch right-wingers think that this affair is a non-issue.  The actions of this administration with regards to DoJ are not par for the course.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 18:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republican oversite was spelled ROBERTS(Ks).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republican oversite was spelled ROBERTS(Ks).</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 17:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt if any career justices employees were replaced.  I would assume that when employees left who had been hired by Democratic political appointees, that those who were hired to replace them were hired by Republican political appointees.  All political appointees are political. That is the nature of the beast.  Want to bet that after  Clinton or Obama wins, that all of the Justice Department hires will be card carrying Democrats?

And sorry, after listeing to Mary Frances Berry rant about voter suppression in 2000 and later even though the data did not support her one bit, the Democrats have no crediblity claiming that the Republicans tried to suppress votes. When the Democrats oppose any sort of voter ID requirements, they lose all credibility on voting issues. 

A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt if any career justices employees were replaced.  I would assume that when employees left who had been hired by Democratic political appointees, that those who were hired to replace them were hired by Republican political appointees.  All political appointees are political. That is the nature of the beast.  Want to bet that after  Clinton or Obama wins, that all of the Justice Department hires will be card carrying Democrats?</p>
<p>And sorry, after listeing to Mary Frances Berry rant about voter suppression in 2000 and later even though the data did not support her one bit, the Democrats have no crediblity claiming that the Republicans tried to suppress votes. When the Democrats oppose any sort of voter ID requirements, they lose all credibility on voting issues. </p>
<p>A</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/13007/attorneygate-worse-worser-and-worsest/comment-page-1/#comment-81942</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 17:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;superdestroyer:&lt;/em&gt;

I infer from your question that your answer would be: &quot;To make political points.&quot;

I would answer similarly, but then add the following: There was a systematic effort to profoundly politicize the Justice Department.  There was a systemic effort to try to supress Democratic turnout in key states in the run-up to the 2006 elections on the bogus grounds that there was widespread voter fraud.  There was a systemic effort to replace career Main Justice employees with political hacks, including a goodly number from a fourth-rate law school where an inordinate number of graduates couldn&#039;t pass the bar exam.  There was . . .  You get the idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>superdestroyer:</em></p>
<p>I infer from your question that your answer would be: &#8220;To make political points.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would answer similarly, but then add the following: There was a systematic effort to profoundly politicize the Justice Department.  There was a systemic effort to try to supress Democratic turnout in key states in the run-up to the 2006 elections on the bogus grounds that there was widespread voter fraud.  There was a systemic effort to replace career Main Justice employees with political hacks, including a goodly number from a fourth-rate law school where an inordinate number of graduates couldn&#8217;t pass the bar exam.  There was . . .  You get the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 17:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isn&#039;t it odd that the Senate does not have time to have committee hearings on the immigration bill but the house has time for these types of hearings.  What do they hope to accomplish in the long run with these hearings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isn&#8217;t it odd that the Senate does not have time to have committee hearings on the immigration bill but the house has time for these types of hearings.  What do they hope to accomplish in the long run with these hearings.</p>
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