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		<title>By: Nick Rivera</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12962/a-ron-paul-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-81802</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Rivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 01:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Unless and until these very latter-day Paul supporters come out and announce they agree to cut the HHS budget by the same amount they would cut the DoD budget, they do not support govt-funded healthcare nor a progressive income tax nor open borders, I am calling them out as insincere opportunists in their use of Ron Paul as a false proxy to their anti-Iraq point of view.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

casualobserver,

Who exactly are the &quot;insincere opportunists&quot;?  Is anyone who praises Ron Paul for his anti-war remarks despite disagreeing with him on domestic policy an &quot;insincere opportunist&quot;?

This isn&#039;t about a bunch of people suddenly supporting Ron Paul&#039;s campaign.  I doubt that many of the liberals and moderates who have praised Ron Paul for his anti-war remarks would vote for him in the general election given his extremely conservative views on fiscal policy.

This is about fundamentally altering the framing of the foreign policy debate in this country.  For the last five years, politicians and pundits have characterized the anti-war position as &quot;liberal&quot; and the pro-war position as &quot;conservative.&quot;  Anti-war conservatives have been marginalized by supporters of the war, and libertarians have been ignored altogether.

Ron Paul reminds us that a non-interventionist (not to be confused with pacifist) foreign policy was once a mainstream position within the Republican Party.  He also reminds us that as recently as seven years ago, a significant portion of the Republican Party (including our current president) opposed nation-building and policing the world.

Ron Paul is an annoyance to the Establishment, which would prefer that our foreign policy remain framed entirely along a left-versus-right.  It reveals how war has totally eclipsed all other issues.  George W. Bush has received widespread support from conservative Republicans despite his decided unconservative record on fiscal issues.  Rudy Giuliani is leading the Republican field despite his pro-choice position on abortion and past support for gun control.

Yet Ron Paul, who is the most pro-smaller government politician in Congress is vilified by much of the party because he refuses to support the party&#039;s interventionist foreign policy.  Moreover, he puts a good number of Democrats to shame in that he has consistently spoken out against the war--unlike those Democrats who supported the war when it was popular and turned against it once it became unpopular (i.e. Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Unless and until these very latter-day Paul supporters come out and announce they agree to cut the HHS budget by the same amount they would cut the DoD budget, they do not support govt-funded healthcare nor a progressive income tax nor open borders, I am calling them out as insincere opportunists in their use of Ron Paul as a false proxy to their anti-Iraq point of view.</p></blockquote>
<p>casualobserver,</p>
<p>Who exactly are the &#8220;insincere opportunists&#8221;?  Is anyone who praises Ron Paul for his anti-war remarks despite disagreeing with him on domestic policy an &#8220;insincere opportunist&#8221;?</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t about a bunch of people suddenly supporting Ron Paul&#8217;s campaign.  I doubt that many of the liberals and moderates who have praised Ron Paul for his anti-war remarks would vote for him in the general election given his extremely conservative views on fiscal policy.</p>
<p>This is about fundamentally altering the framing of the foreign policy debate in this country.  For the last five years, politicians and pundits have characterized the anti-war position as &#8220;liberal&#8221; and the pro-war position as &#8220;conservative.&#8221;  Anti-war conservatives have been marginalized by supporters of the war, and libertarians have been ignored altogether.</p>
<p>Ron Paul reminds us that a non-interventionist (not to be confused with pacifist) foreign policy was once a mainstream position within the Republican Party.  He also reminds us that as recently as seven years ago, a significant portion of the Republican Party (including our current president) opposed nation-building and policing the world.</p>
<p>Ron Paul is an annoyance to the Establishment, which would prefer that our foreign policy remain framed entirely along a left-versus-right.  It reveals how war has totally eclipsed all other issues.  George W. Bush has received widespread support from conservative Republicans despite his decided unconservative record on fiscal issues.  Rudy Giuliani is leading the Republican field despite his pro-choice position on abortion and past support for gun control.</p>
<p>Yet Ron Paul, who is the most pro-smaller government politician in Congress is vilified by much of the party because he refuses to support the party&#8217;s interventionist foreign policy.  Moreover, he puts a good number of Democrats to shame in that he has consistently spoken out against the war&#8211;unlike those Democrats who supported the war when it was popular and turned against it once it became unpopular (i.e. Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden).</p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12962/a-ron-paul-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-81707</link>
		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 14:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>War does strange things to people.........

I don&#039;t doubt there aren&#039;t a few true libertarians in Ron Paul&#039;s corner, but when most every blogger/columnist highlights Ron Paul these days, they devote a couple of sentences to his domestic policy and &quot;general&quot; foreign policy views and then write 18 paragraphs about his opposition to the Iraq war.

Unless and until these very latter-day Paul supporters come out and announce they agree to cut the HHS budget by the same amount they would cut the DoD budget, they do not support govt-funded healthcare nor a progressive income tax nor open borders, I am calling them out as insincere opportunists in their use of Ron Paul as a false proxy to their anti-Iraq point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>War does strange things to people&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt there aren&#8217;t a few true libertarians in Ron Paul&#8217;s corner, but when most every blogger/columnist highlights Ron Paul these days, they devote a couple of sentences to his domestic policy and &#8220;general&#8221; foreign policy views and then write 18 paragraphs about his opposition to the Iraq war.</p>
<p>Unless and until these very latter-day Paul supporters come out and announce they agree to cut the HHS budget by the same amount they would cut the DoD budget, they do not support govt-funded healthcare nor a progressive income tax nor open borders, I am calling them out as insincere opportunists in their use of Ron Paul as a false proxy to their anti-Iraq point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: G. Weightman</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12962/a-ron-paul-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-81697</link>
		<dc:creator>G. Weightman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 11:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopes that Dr. Paul will open up a second front for the Democrats are destined to be dashed.  The good doctor is firmly ensconced in the peanut gallery of American political eccentrics alongside Father Coughlin, Lyndon LaRouche et al.   Pace Mr. Order From Chaos above, conservatives are persuaded by appeals to human and economic capital, not CAPITAL LETTERS!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopes that Dr. Paul will open up a second front for the Democrats are destined to be dashed.  The good doctor is firmly ensconced in the peanut gallery of American political eccentrics alongside Father Coughlin, Lyndon LaRouche et al.   Pace Mr. Order From Chaos above, conservatives are persuaded by appeals to human and economic capital, not CAPITAL LETTERS!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Principled Paul &#124; The Moderate Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Principled Paul &#124; The Moderate Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 07:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Â©Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, All Rights Reserved.   Be sure to read THIS EARLIER POST about Paul that also contains an interesting You Tube [...]</description>
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		<title>By: OrdoAbChao</title>
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		<dc:creator>OrdoAbChao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 06:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vive La Ron Paul Revolution

RON PAUL is the ONLY candidate with any REAL hope or chance for change and plus he is probably the ONLY candidate that is not owned by special interest groups, the coming globalists and New World Order / Illuminati and / or Secret Societies.

Ron Paul is the last hope mankind has in turning the tide against the massive impending evil and the North American Union that Bush has already secretly signed into place.  Did you know the NAU will be the unification of Mexico Canada and the US into one country and we will also have a new currency called the Amero Dollar.   

Why do you think are borders aren&#039;t protected?  Hmmmmmmm

Why are 2 our of best Border Patrol Agents Nacho Ramos and Jose Compean are in jail for stopping a drug running smuggler who our Gov. eg. Bush &amp; our US Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez have decided to protect and side with - instead of our good Agents who are supposed to protect us.  Hmmmmmm   Wonder why?  hmmmm  Maybe I&#039;ll ask the tooth fairy....

RON PAUL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEJJ1GHteLM

If any of these topics are over your head (which I&#039;m sure they are) I strongly suggest you dig deep and do some &quot;major&quot; research as well as actually READ the SPP documents (partnership agreement for North American Union  aka   Prosperity Partnership of North America ) and check out DR. Jerome R. Corsi  (The man who brought us the Swift Boat campaign that sunk Kerry).


www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50618


www.spp.gov


ALL of these things are being done without Congress (no authorization from Congress) or letting the American People Vote on this!!  This is HIGH TREASON!!!!


Washington &amp; Franklin are doing Cirque du Soleil flips in their graves.  Really &amp; seriously our Founding Fathers should rise from the grave.

RE: The NAU / SPP  -  I know Sean Hannity &amp; Rush will immediately dismiss all of this as they are paid to dismiss these items.  Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that will ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.   I can&#039;t believe we actually have some real change on our doorstep.  Thank God!!

God Bless Ron Paul!!!  

It&#039;s time for the Profane to wake up and quickly become initiated into the Truth!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vive La Ron Paul Revolution</p>
<p>RON PAUL is the ONLY candidate with any REAL hope or chance for change and plus he is probably the ONLY candidate that is not owned by special interest groups, the coming globalists and New World Order / Illuminati and / or Secret Societies.</p>
<p>Ron Paul is the last hope mankind has in turning the tide against the massive impending evil and the North American Union that Bush has already secretly signed into place.  Did you know the NAU will be the unification of Mexico Canada and the US into one country and we will also have a new currency called the Amero Dollar.   </p>
<p>Why do you think are borders aren&#8217;t protected?  Hmmmmmmm</p>
<p>Why are 2 our of best Border Patrol Agents Nacho Ramos and Jose Compean are in jail for stopping a drug running smuggler who our Gov. eg. Bush &amp; our US Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez have decided to protect and side with &#8211; instead of our good Agents who are supposed to protect us.  Hmmmmmm   Wonder why?  hmmmm  Maybe I&#8217;ll ask the tooth fairy&#8230;.</p>
<p>RON PAUL<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEJJ1GHteLM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEJJ1GHteLM</a></p>
<p>If any of these topics are over your head (which I&#8217;m sure they are) I strongly suggest you dig deep and do some &#8220;major&#8221; research as well as actually READ the SPP documents (partnership agreement for North American Union  aka   Prosperity Partnership of North America ) and check out DR. Jerome R. Corsi  (The man who brought us the Swift Boat campaign that sunk Kerry).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50618" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50618</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.spp.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.spp.gov</a></p>
<p>ALL of these things are being done without Congress (no authorization from Congress) or letting the American People Vote on this!!  This is HIGH TREASON!!!!</p>
<p>Washington &amp; Franklin are doing Cirque du Soleil flips in their graves.  Really &amp; seriously our Founding Fathers should rise from the grave.</p>
<p>RE: The NAU / SPP  &#8211;  I know Sean Hannity &amp; Rush will immediately dismiss all of this as they are paid to dismiss these items.  Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that will ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.   I can&#8217;t believe we actually have some real change on our doorstep.  Thank God!!</p>
<p>God Bless Ron Paul!!!  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s time for the Profane to wake up and quickly become initiated into the Truth!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 05:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DLS - What did Eisenhower have to say about MIC. When they are looking at stealth destroyers, I think the Rummy hi-tech wing is going nuts. Our vast technological advantage isn&#039;t doing the trick in Afghanistan and Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DLS &#8211; What did Eisenhower have to say about MIC. When they are looking at stealth destroyers, I think the Rummy hi-tech wing is going nuts. Our vast technological advantage isn&#8217;t doing the trick in Afghanistan and Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Rivera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Rivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 03:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops.  When I wrote &lt;i&gt;anti-libertarians&lt;/i&gt;, I meant, of course, &lt;i&gt;anti-war libertarians.  Given their strong support for free market capitalism, anti-war libertarians can&#039;t easily be denounced as leftists, but that hasn&#039;t stopped avid supporters of the war from coming up with much more imaginative labels for them (i.e. &quot;isolationists&quot;, &quot;the Blame America crowd&quot;, &quot;apologists&quot;, &quot;anti-Semites&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops.  When I wrote <i>anti-libertarians</i>, I meant, of course, <i>anti-war libertarians.  Given their strong support for free market capitalism, anti-war libertarians can&#8217;t easily be denounced as leftists, but that hasn&#8217;t stopped avid supporters of the war from coming up with much more imaginative labels for them (i.e. &#8220;isolationists&#8221;, &#8220;the Blame America crowd&#8221;, &#8220;apologists&#8221;, &#8220;anti-Semites&#8221;).</i></p>
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		<title>By: Nick Rivera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Rivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 03:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G. Weightman,

David Schraub pointed out this issue in a &lt;a href=&quot;http://themoderatevoice.com/society/racism/12892/lest-we-get-too-excited-about-rep-paul&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post&lt;/a&gt; that he wrote a couple of days ago, and it generated quite a bit of debate.  The &quot;anti-Semitic&quot; label has been used time and time again by numerous supporters of the war to label anti-libertarians and anyone else who has the temerity to criticize AIPAC.  The idea that AIPAC is a powerful lobbying organization that sometimes conflates criticism of their policies with anti-Semitism is hardly new.

The remarks about African-Americans, however, is much more disturbing.  Others have attempted to put their own spin on what they think Ron Paul meant, but it&#039;s not all that convincing.  Having never spoken to Ron Paul or anyone on his campaign, all I can do is direct you to a libertarian-friendly &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41718&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt; that cites Ron Paul as saying that the remarks made in his newsletter (The Ron Paul Political Report) in 1992 were not authorized by him.  Is that believable?  I&#039;ll let you be the judge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G. Weightman,</p>
<p>David Schraub pointed out this issue in a <a href="http://themoderatevoice.com/society/racism/12892/lest-we-get-too-excited-about-rep-paul" rel="nofollow">post</a> that he wrote a couple of days ago, and it generated quite a bit of debate.  The &#8220;anti-Semitic&#8221; label has been used time and time again by numerous supporters of the war to label anti-libertarians and anyone else who has the temerity to criticize AIPAC.  The idea that AIPAC is a powerful lobbying organization that sometimes conflates criticism of their policies with anti-Semitism is hardly new.</p>
<p>The remarks about African-Americans, however, is much more disturbing.  Others have attempted to put their own spin on what they think Ron Paul meant, but it&#8217;s not all that convincing.  Having never spoken to Ron Paul or anyone on his campaign, all I can do is direct you to a libertarian-friendly <a href="http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41718" rel="nofollow">link</a> that cites Ron Paul as saying that the remarks made in his newsletter (The Ron Paul Political Report) in 1992 were not authorized by him.  Is that believable?  I&#8217;ll let you be the judge.</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 03:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, all of the candidates have a skeleton or two in their closets. I think he adds liveliness to the debate, and is not a cookie-cutter Republican.  He also makes valid points about our involvement in Iraq and the money we are throwing at defense contractors for systems that either don&#039;t work, won&#039;t be ready in time, aren&#039;t suited for a war of counterinsurgency or could be produced cheaper overseas.  We already spend more on defense than all of the rest of the countries in the world put together.  What do we have to show for it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, all of the candidates have a skeleton or two in their closets. I think he adds liveliness to the debate, and is not a cookie-cutter Republican.  He also makes valid points about our involvement in Iraq and the money we are throwing at defense contractors for systems that either don&#8217;t work, won&#8217;t be ready in time, aren&#8217;t suited for a war of counterinsurgency or could be produced cheaper overseas.  We already spend more on defense than all of the rest of the countries in the world put together.  What do we have to show for it?</p>
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		<title>By: G. Weightman</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Weightman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 01:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently, Dr. Paul also has some unorthodox views on domestic issues. &lt;a href=&quot;http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/may/17/liberal_hero_ron_paul_blacks_commit_crimes_zionists_silence_the_opposition&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;READ THIS.&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, Dr. Paul also has some unorthodox views on domestic issues. <a href="http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/may/17/liberal_hero_ron_paul_blacks_commit_crimes_zionists_silence_the_opposition" rel="nofollow">READ THIS.</a></p>
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		<title>By: blackshards</title>
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		<dc:creator>blackshards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 22:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s hope Paul&#039;s momentum continues to build.  America needs someone to say these things and get the semblance of a debate going again.  Not holding my breath for a victory, tho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s hope Paul&#8217;s momentum continues to build.  America needs someone to say these things and get the semblance of a debate going again.  Not holding my breath for a victory, tho.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 22:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nic quoted Ron Paul:

&quot;A lot of time, they think that subsidies and welfare goes to poor people. Yeah, thereâ€™s some welfare that goes to poor people, but sometimes I think theyâ€™re crumbs. The real big welfare in the system we have goes to the military industrial complex and the big banks. Thatâ€™s where it goes!&quot;

Actually, where it goes is to middle-class entitlements.  Defense spending is large, but is not the growing monster among spending categories.  Mandatory programmatic spending is the killer.

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy08/sheets/hist08z1.xls

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy08/sheets/hist08z3.xls

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy08/sheets/hist08z4.xls

* This is before the Baby Boom retires.

* This is before any expansion of Medicare, or of Social Security (increasing the income replacement ratio from the current approximate 40 per cent level).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nic quoted Ron Paul:</p>
<p>&#8220;A lot of time, they think that subsidies and welfare goes to poor people. Yeah, thereâ€™s some welfare that goes to poor people, but sometimes I think theyâ€™re crumbs. The real big welfare in the system we have goes to the military industrial complex and the big banks. Thatâ€™s where it goes!&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, where it goes is to middle-class entitlements.  Defense spending is large, but is not the growing monster among spending categories.  Mandatory programmatic spending is the killer.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy08/sheets/hist08z1.xls" rel="nofollow">http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy08/sheets/hist08z1.xls</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy08/sheets/hist08z3.xls" rel="nofollow">http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy08/sheets/hist08z3.xls</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy08/sheets/hist08z4.xls" rel="nofollow">http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy08/sheets/hist08z4.xls</a></p>
<p>* This is before the Baby Boom retires.</p>
<p>* This is before any expansion of Medicare, or of Social Security (increasing the income replacement ratio from the current approximate 40 per cent level).</p>
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