Comments on: Gays in the Military: Don’t Ask. Don’t Tell. Don’t Discriminate. http://themoderatevoice.com/12960/gays-in-the-military-don%e2%80%99t-ask-don%e2%80%99t-tell-don%e2%80%99t-discriminate/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Mon, 28 May 2012 01:10:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: AustinRoth http://themoderatevoice.com/12960/gays-in-the-military-don%e2%80%99t-ask-don%e2%80%99t-tell-don%e2%80%99t-discriminate/comment-page-1/#comment-81642 AustinRoth Mon, 21 May 2007 20:36:22 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/12960/gays-in-the-military-don%e2%80%99t-ask-don%e2%80%99t-tell-don%e2%80%99t-discriminate/#comment-81642 Lynx - didn't say it was (and wouldn't). I just haven't seen much said about the problem during various discussions of gay in the military. I am also 4-square for women in the military as well (and lifting ALL restrictions, to boot). Doesn't make my point any less valid though. And DLS wisecrack is one the best this year! Lynx – didn’t say it was (and wouldn’t). I just haven’t seen much said about the problem during various discussions of gay in the military.

I am also 4-square for women in the military as well (and lifting ALL restrictions, to boot). Doesn’t make my point any less valid though.

And DLS wisecrack is one the best this year!

]]> By: Lynx http://themoderatevoice.com/12960/gays-in-the-military-don%e2%80%99t-ask-don%e2%80%99t-tell-don%e2%80%99t-discriminate/comment-page-1/#comment-81635 Lynx Mon, 21 May 2007 20:16:43 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/12960/gays-in-the-military-don%e2%80%99t-ask-don%e2%80%99t-tell-don%e2%80%99t-discriminate/#comment-81635 AR the armed forces may be awash in those issues, hard as they may be, but just as the solution for rape in the military is not kicking women out of it, neither is the solution for homophobia in the military not letting Gays serve. Strike another vote for DLS's joke LOL. AR the armed forces may be awash in those issues, hard as they may be, but just as the solution for rape in the military is not kicking women out of it, neither is the solution for homophobia in the military not letting Gays serve.

Strike another vote for DLS’s joke LOL.

]]> By: casualobserver http://themoderatevoice.com/12960/gays-in-the-military-don%e2%80%99t-ask-don%e2%80%99t-tell-don%e2%80%99t-discriminate/comment-page-1/#comment-81631 casualobserver Mon, 21 May 2007 20:09:00 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/12960/gays-in-the-military-don%e2%80%99t-ask-don%e2%80%99t-tell-don%e2%80%99t-discriminate/#comment-81631 AR, despite your more reasoned opinion, I'm still voting for the DLS wisecrack as best post of the day. AR, despite your more reasoned opinion, I’m still voting for the DLS wisecrack as best post of the day.

]]> By: The Gun Toting Liberalâ„¢ http://themoderatevoice.com/12960/gays-in-the-military-don%e2%80%99t-ask-don%e2%80%99t-tell-don%e2%80%99t-discriminate/comment-page-1/#comment-81630 The Gun Toting Liberalâ„¢ Mon, 21 May 2007 20:08:54 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/12960/gays-in-the-military-don%e2%80%99t-ask-don%e2%80%99t-tell-don%e2%80%99t-discriminate/#comment-81630 [...] to this article, hand-picked in part from MemeOrandum’s blogger roundup: Shakesville; The Moderate Voice; Think Progress AMERICAblog Technorati Tags:  Current Events, DADT, discrimination, Gays, [...] [...] to this article, hand-picked in part from MemeOrandum’s blogger roundup: Shakesville; The Moderate Voice; Think Progress AMERICAblog Technorati Tags:  Current Events, DADT, discrimination, Gays, [...]

]]> By: AustinRoth http://themoderatevoice.com/12960/gays-in-the-military-don%e2%80%99t-ask-don%e2%80%99t-tell-don%e2%80%99t-discriminate/comment-page-1/#comment-81628 AustinRoth Mon, 21 May 2007 20:04:58 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/12960/gays-in-the-military-don%e2%80%99t-ask-don%e2%80%99t-tell-don%e2%80%99t-discriminate/#comment-81628 The problem is you have to worry about the gay soldiers themselves. Having served, I can say that there is a strong, if still minority, element in the armed forces that is homophobic beyond belief. And that attitude crosses all services, all ranks (maybe even slightly worse in the officer classes, from my experience). As for women in the military, ask them how it has been going. Ask them about the overt sexual harassment they still face, the military's reaction to crimes of assault against them by other military members (the running 'joke', if you ant to call it that, is that you can get in more trouble for marrying out of ranks or consensual sex than rape). Doesn't make it right (it certainly isn't), but it is a reality to deal with. The problem is you have to worry about the gay soldiers themselves. Having served, I can say that there is a strong, if still minority, element in the armed forces that is homophobic beyond belief. And that attitude crosses all services, all ranks (maybe even slightly worse in the officer classes, from my experience).

As for women in the military, ask them how it has been going. Ask them about the overt sexual harassment they still face, the military’s reaction to crimes of assault against them by other military members (the running ‘joke’, if you ant to call it that, is that you can get in more trouble for marrying out of ranks or consensual sex than rape).

Doesn’t make it right (it certainly isn’t), but it is a reality to deal with.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/12960/gays-in-the-military-don%e2%80%99t-ask-don%e2%80%99t-tell-don%e2%80%99t-discriminate/comment-page-1/#comment-81621 DLS Mon, 21 May 2007 19:52:17 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/12960/gays-in-the-military-don%e2%80%99t-ask-don%e2%80%99t-tell-don%e2%80%99t-discriminate/#comment-81621 Just shoot straight. Just shoot straight.

]]> By: Lynx http://themoderatevoice.com/12960/gays-in-the-military-don%e2%80%99t-ask-don%e2%80%99t-tell-don%e2%80%99t-discriminate/comment-page-1/#comment-81607 Lynx Mon, 21 May 2007 18:34:26 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/places/europe/12960/gays-in-the-military-don%e2%80%99t-ask-don%e2%80%99t-tell-don%e2%80%99t-discriminate/#comment-81607 Spain allows Gays to serve openly in the military. Hell, not so long ago the first member of the military had a sex change and then went right back in, with female ID. Non-issue, mostly. I don't see what the big problem is. If you allow women in the military then you are allowing for the possibility that military personnel feels attraction to other military personnel, whether it's a same sex or opposite sex attraction is totally secondary, unless you have issues with sexuality. I can't help but thinking that your average soldier has about a gazilion issues they find more pressing than whether their buddy is gay. Like when that body armor is arriving, whether their going to miss another birthday of their son or hoping against hope that they aren't injured and if they are, that they aren't sent to Walter Reed. Spain allows Gays to serve openly in the military. Hell, not so long ago the first member of the military had a sex change and then went right back in, with female ID. Non-issue, mostly. I don’t see what the big problem is. If you allow women in the military then you are allowing for the possibility that military personnel feels attraction to other military personnel, whether it’s a same sex or opposite sex attraction is totally secondary, unless you have issues with sexuality.

I can’t help but thinking that your average soldier has about a gazilion issues they find more pressing than whether their buddy is gay. Like when that body armor is arriving, whether their going to miss another birthday of their son or hoping against hope that they aren’t injured and if they are, that they aren’t sent to Walter Reed.

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