But, I think Baraka wd more likely be on the wrong end of violance toward women, or anyone he hates. He’s a bitter little man. Watch out David, he may be your future looking back at you.

There was none, and only the obtuse wd think so, unless one is looking to strawman in an argument.

David: ‘And as for the less-than-subtle insinuation that my friend is lying about her rape, all I can say is I know this person, I know her personality, and she’s no liar. If she said she had only two drinks that night (well below her tolerance) I believe her, and if she says that she woke up to a guy smacking her around, I believe her. Loyalty to one’s friends is another habit I will presumably outgrow–apparently, to be an adult in our society requires one to be a misogynistic backstabbing asshole’

Strawman. I said ‘And, you do realize that not all claims of rape are so? Esp. the date rape kind. You do realize that women often falsely claim such things- think Tawana Brawley, Duke rape case, and how many others? Each case has to be taken individually. It’s too bad if your friend was raped. Many men and women have been raped and abused. It does not give them the right to spend their lives bullying others that they disagree with.’
There’s zero insinuation, and an acknowledgement that your friend was raped. But claiming I did not acknowledge is a nice way to avoid what I stated about many false claims.
Why do you feel the need to flat out lie, David? Is this more evidence of immaturity. Can’t deal with the rough jokes men make so censor? Cannot win an argument, so lie and call names?

David: ‘But if she had, I wouldn’t chide her for being infantile, because rape is a traumatizing experience, and survivors of horrific violence deserve our support, not adolescent calls to “grow up.” But then, I’m neither an “adult” nor a heartless asshole, so what do I know.’

David, your presumption is that I, or many others, do not know what it is like to be raped, sexually violated, beaten, etc. This is not so, but it is a PC weapon to use against others, as if being hurt in some manner is a noral upper hand. It ain’t, but only the smug and ignorant think so. BTW- that’s insinuation, Dave.

David: ‘I don’t know what women or men you hang around, but I have never heard anyone giggle about how they want to smack a bitch around and then rape her. If they did, I’d like to think they wouldn’t be my friend, because I have standards for the people who I choose to associate with, one of which is not thinking violence against women is funny. Do I think the shock jocks actually plan on raping Condi Rice? No, but the difference between that an hyperbole like “I’m going to kill my boss” is that they thought the image would be funny, even if it never happens. I don’t even think the image of my boss being killed would be funny. Linguistically, it’s a different sort of statement, and if you genuinely can’t distinguish between the two maybe you should take a bit more practice doing the “spot the difference” puzzles available for 7 year olds.’

David, CEOs, lawyers, white people, black people, plumbers, garbeagemen, nurses, poor, rich. People speak this way when they are with people they are comfortable with. That you are not confided in with such in-jokes may be because you are such a smug PC Elitist that most people think you’re an arrogant ass with a ‘tude.
And you admit that they did not want to rape old buck-toothed Condo, therefore there’s NO difference between that hyperbole and that people use to rail against those that annoy them. And yuo also, YET AGAIN, are decontextualizing the whole thing. It was not said about women down the street, but two women close to and supportive of a man whose actions are seen by the bulk of the world as ignoble and as murderous as OBL and others- for right or wrong. Therefore, it’s on a par with a Jew in 1944 stating that he’s like to shove a red hot poker up Hitler’s ass, or a black in 1960 saying he’s like to do the same to Bull Connor.
By decontextualizing and feigning outrage you are lying.
And it is NOT linguistically different. It’s the same level of rhetoric; actually a LESSER rhetoric, since rape is a lesser crime than murder. And if you cannot tell the diff re: the statements, nor the crimes, then you’re not even old enough to take the tests you mention.

David: ‘My parents raised me to believe that part of being an adult was being respectful, mature, and standing up for my friends and my beliefs.’

I agree. Then why are you lying and feigning outrage?

David: ‘Clearly, you think being an adult means abandoning all those properties, because now you’re free to be a prick without getting grounded for it. This isn’t maturity, it’s stunted emotional growth.’

I called you on your immaturity, and because you have no logical nor intellectual response, you whine. Or lie. Stunted emotional growth is often displayed with immaturity, or lying.

David: ‘One day, you’ll discover that being cruel isn’t the same as being an adult. But to expect us to accept a furious adolescent rant and take it as advice on what constitutes maturity is ridiculous, and insulting to the intellectual capabilities of every person on this site.’

I agree, so why did you rant in the first place, and then rant some more when you were called on it? A mature person would admit their error, and thank those who were older for calling them on it. But, then gratitude is a thing only the mature exhibit.

I was thinking out loud about how people who seem to think playacting a violent sexual assault is funny …they dont seem to target doing the same to actual men who are almost sure to erupt violently right back, but rather in this case, two women who are almost certain not to show reaction publicly.

I was thinking about what it might mean to target those who would not fight back vs those who likely would escalate the ante.

And as for the less-than-subtle insinuation that my friend is lying about her rape, all I can say is I know this person, I know her personality, and she’s no liar. If she said she had only two drinks that night (well below her tolerance) I believe her, and if she says that she woke up to a guy smacking her around, I believe her. Loyalty to one’s friends is another habit I will presumably outgrow–apparently, to be an adult in our society requires one to be a misogynistic backstabbing asshole (incidentally, your wife is your wife, but she is not “your woman.” She remains her own woman. But perhaps it was gratutious. I don’t need to pull out all my artillery in the intellectual equivilent of a howitzer against a rock). And she’s been amazingly resilient about it throughout–I’m impressed she hasn’t displayed more trauma. But if she had, I wouldn’t chide her for being infantile, because rape is a traumatizing experience, and survivors of horrific violence deserve our support, not adolescent calls to “grow up.” But then, I’m neither an “adult” nor a heartless asshole, so what do I know.

I don’t know what women or men you hang around, but I have never heard anyone giggle about how they want to smack a bitch around and then rape her. If they did, I’d like to think they wouldn’t be my friend, because I have standards for the people who I choose to associate with, one of which is not thinking violence against women is funny. Do I think the shock jocks actually plan on raping Condi Rice? No, but the difference between that an hyperbole like “I’m going to kill my boss” is that they thought the image would be funny, even if it never happens. I don’t even think the image of my boss being killed would be funny. Linguistically, it’s a different sort of statement, and if you genuinely can’t distinguish between the two maybe you should take a bit more practice doing the “spot the difference” puzzles available for 7 year olds.

My parents raised me to believe that part of being an adult was being respectful, mature, and standing up for my friends and my beliefs. Clearly, you think being an adult means abandoning all those properties, because now you’re free to be a prick without getting grounded for it. This isn’t maturity, it’s stunted emotional growth. One day, you’ll discover that being cruel isn’t the same as being an adult. But to expect us to accept a furious adolescent rant and take it as advice on what constitutes maturity is ridiculous, and insulting to the intellectual capabilities of every person on this site.

Yes, and I said such a remark is inane and faux outrage. Get lives. And just as you have the right to that faux outrage, I have the right to call it what it is. Boy, isn’t the world a better place because this is a topic?

David: ‘Do you give college guys dirty looks at bars when they have fun with their women and say things that go far beyond this?
Wow, is there a lot to unpack there. Beating women is “fun”? The women in question are “theirs”? And presumably, going “beyond this” involves actually raping women, in which case I hope I’d do more than give the men in question a “dirty look.” Given that one of my friends at Carleton was raped after a recent alum slipped a drug in her drink at a party (I presume he faced no more than “dirty looks” when he left with her, given that she must have been obviously incapacitated, but I can’t verify it because she blacked out until she woke up to him smacking her while raping her), I apologize if I haven’t “grown up” yet.

If you need to (/think its okay to) “blow off steam” by “joking” about how awesome it would be to rape women in power, then perhaps you should seek some counseling.’

David, are you on a stupid pill? Or do you merely hang out with castrated Alan Alda wannabes. What world do you live in? I hear WOMEN say far worse about rivals they call skanks and hos, than what was said here? Do you live in an ivy tower? And the use of theirs was not possessive, but indicative of a relationship. My wife is my wife, not my property, and if you were not being a PC prick you’d not use such condescendingly ridiculous dialectic tactics.
And beyond this means saying they’d like to kill their bosses or neighbors or guy down the block.
You do realize that murder is a more serious crime than rape? Yet how many people who claim to want to commit homicide do so?
….still waiting.
And, you do realize that not all claims of rape are so? Esp. the date rape kind. You do realize that women often falsely claim such things- think Tawana Brawley, Duke rape case, and how many others? Each case has to be taken individually. It’s too bad if your friend was raped. Many men and women have been raped and abused. It does not give them the right to spend their lives bullying others that they disagree with. You deal with shit in life and move on. It’s called adulthood, something this PC puerile society seems to have given up on.
And only those who engage in such callowness might need some counseling.
Let me know your progress, when you get past puberty.

Kim: I’d rather have a free and coarse culture than an infantilized fascist state. Of course, in an adult free society, most people would not whine on blogs about their peeves and insecurities.

Doma: ‘-It is okay for Cosmo and fiiends to be outraged by someone who expresses disgust with sick humor. It’s NOT better to just turn away and forget it. Oh, yes, that makes sense -not.’

STRAWMAN alert. Where did I express outrage? Merely chided David for his immaturity and lack of real substance in his existence to worry over such pettiness.

CFPete: Yes it is typical pottymouth humor- in the real world. And, let’s not take it out of context. It was made about women the trio were disgusted with, for all the grievous harm the two women’s husband and boss has caused- far more distasteful and long lasting than some puerile jokes.

Dr. E: Amiri Baraka is a sick, twisted bastard in his own right- from his political hatred to his own fostering of a coterie of college-aged coed hangers-on and sexual teasers. You’ve gone from the skillet to the Face on Mars by bringing him up. Baraka is an even worse example than these shock jocks because a supposedly educated person like you will bring him up as if he is a voice of reason or sanity. Who’s next on the list of admired thugs? Leonard Peltier? Mumia?
Your admiration of a thug like Baraka is at odds with the rest of yuor claims of moral efficacy.

Orson: ‘Personally, I’m much more worried by social reformers trying to legislate hate out of existence than I am by clowns like these guys . Like the entrenched do-gooder establishment at Duke University, which is still unable to apologize for trying to railroad three completely innocent students into prison for life.’

Spot on. It’s like Al Sharpton criticizing Don Imus when he’s never admitted his lies in the Tawana Brawley BS.

Doma: Universities try to patrol speech and many communities have tried to legislate against certain programs, tv and radio- and Internet. I won’y even comment on all the attempts to ban books- by Right Wing Christians, and Left Wing Feminazis.

Bones: Taking offense is ALWAYS a personal choice. Mature people have better things to do.

I hope it’s okay to exercise free speech in comments to condemn these ‘clowns’. Or would you rather censor the reaction?

Personally, I’m much more worried by social reformers trying to legislate hate out of existence than I am by clowns like these guys . Like the entrenched do-gooder establishment at Duke University, which is still unable to apologize for trying to railroad three completely innocent students into prison for life.

Me too.

I read DS’s transcript of the radio people and “homeless man,” and am just measuring this against say, a man on the radio –or a woman in an excited agression saying they will f*** the black poet Amiri Baraka, dead… just the way Abner Louima, a Haitian-American, who was sodomized with a broom handle in a Brooklyn police station house …just ambush him, crush him to the ground and f*** Amiri dead.

I am just measuring what kind of person would laugh at such. Measuring what Amiri would do in response to being imagined in such ways. Measuring what people like Laura Bush and Rice are not likely to do in response to being the object of on air rape scenario. THinking about easy targets who radio hosts know will not retaliate, vs targets who not only will retaliate, but in full thunder that will not pull back… oike Amiri.

I am measuring what kind of reaction there would be by thoughtful people if men on radio were to laugh while a man rages about he will destroy another man’s sexual soul and flesh… and enjoy doing so

I am often told I am a feminine woman, and I like being so. But, if I were a man, and another man salivated the way ‘homeless man’ appears to do in his sexual violence thrall on air, I think I might feel like I could send him to the hospital in a NY minute… because I would be ten times stronger as a man than I am as a woman. (at least in my imagination)

But being a woman, when I hear talk like ‘homeless man’s and those who find his screed a source of yucks for themselves… almost the laughing as much as the screed… I have an unsummoned visceral reaction… I think because I know from experience that when people can laugh at the thought of inflicting harm on a person who cannot defend themselves, that, well, some of us who are women…

let me just put it this way, I am ever grateful for my brothers who will speak up and move to protect.

When something like this conversation on radio takes place, I would rather men help us than say, oh pshaw, it’s nothing. I admire men who step up to the plate. I do.

Charlie: I’d love to f##k that b##ch dead, man. She needs a f####ng man. I’ll f##k that b##ch —

Anthony: I just imagine the horror in Condoleeza Rice’s face …

Opie: [laughter] … when she realizes what’s going on …

Anthony: … as you were just like holding her down and f####ng her.

Charlie: Punch her all in the f####ng face. Shut up, b##ch.

Anthony: That’s exactly what I meant.

What exactly is typical about this?
Have we really reached the point where making light of rape and murder is acceptable?
I try to imagine what my reaction would be if someone said these things in my presence, referring to any woman. What would I do if someone said these things about my mother, my girlfriend? I really can not even comprehend how I would feel or what I would do.
But this is supposed to be entertainment.
Who was entertained?
The answer to that question is what truly frightens me.

-It’s not okay to express outrage and disgust at sick humor. It’s better to just turn away and forget it.

-It is okay for Cosmo and fiiends to be outraged by someone who expresses disgust
with sick humor. It’s NOT better to just turn away and forget it.

Oh, yes, that makes sense -not.

And Cosmoetica deserves special response…

Do you give college guys dirty looks at bars when they have fun with their women and say things that go far beyond this?

Wow, is there a lot to unpack there. Beating women is “fun”? The women in question are “theirs”? And presumably, going “beyond this” involves actually raping women, in which case I hope I’d do more than give the men in question a “dirty look.” Given that one of my friends at Carleton was raped after a recent alum slipped a drug in her drink at a party (I presume he faced no more than “dirty looks” when he left with her, given that she must have been obviously incapacitated, but I can’t verify it because she blacked out until she woke up to him smacking her while raping her), I apologize if I haven’t “grown up” yet.

If you need to (/think its okay to) “blow off steam” by “joking” about how awesome it would be to rape women in power, then perhaps you should seek some counseling.

David said they should be fired. He didn’t say they should go to jail.

If the customers/listeners want to send a message that they don’t want the station to air this crap, then they should also exercise their right to do so. But for those of us who don’t listen, I don’t feel that we should have the right to prevent people from airing it. Of course we are also free to criticize it, and I’ll exercise my right to do so.

But it is a private service that you have to pay for! XM also has a feature that allows you to block that station that Opie and Anthony play on.

I dont wanna hear this bs… if you dont wanna hear it, dont pay for the service. It’s that simple. But dont try n force them to shut down if u dont even use the service, or listen to that station, anyway.