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		<title>By: PK</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12690/iraq-plan-b/comment-page-1/#comment-79649</link>
		<dc:creator>PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 14:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>casualobserver:

Your comment that I painted the issue as too black and white is probably true.  My guess is that some of the R&#039;s will stick with the must win position, but a lot will begin to move toward a more pragmatic position.  Conversely not all of the D&#039;s will be screaming rabidly for immediate pull out.

My hope is that even thought it will be difficult to come to any definitive conclusion about the success of the surge cool heads will prevail and progress will be made toward figuring out how to disengage in a way that doesn&#039;t leave a total mess.  I personally don&#039;t possess the wisdom to articulate a good set of solutions, but the two opposite extreme solutions that are currently repeated over and over don&#039;t hold the answer.

It seems like something along the line that tutakai presented in his blog moves in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>casualobserver:</p>
<p>Your comment that I painted the issue as too black and white is probably true.  My guess is that some of the R&#8217;s will stick with the must win position, but a lot will begin to move toward a more pragmatic position.  Conversely not all of the D&#8217;s will be screaming rabidly for immediate pull out.</p>
<p>My hope is that even thought it will be difficult to come to any definitive conclusion about the success of the surge cool heads will prevail and progress will be made toward figuring out how to disengage in a way that doesn&#8217;t leave a total mess.  I personally don&#8217;t possess the wisdom to articulate a good set of solutions, but the two opposite extreme solutions that are currently repeated over and over don&#8217;t hold the answer.</p>
<p>It seems like something along the line that tutakai presented in his blog moves in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12690/iraq-plan-b/comment-page-1/#comment-79597</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 23:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a cartoon for you.

http://pmw.org.il/bulletins_may2007.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a cartoon for you.</p>
<p><a href="http://pmw.org.il/bulletins_may2007.htm" rel="nofollow">http://pmw.org.il/bulletins_may2007.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12690/iraq-plan-b/comment-page-1/#comment-79581</link>
		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 22:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth is there will be no way to conclusively judge whether the surge worked or not, and come September the Râ€™s will more than like still be saying that we canâ€™t leave until we have â€œwonâ€,

PK, while there is &quot;truth&quot; to that, I don&#039;t paint it as black and white. If May-Sept reports out like April did, R&#039;s will not be as dogmatic as you&#039;re phrasing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth is there will be no way to conclusively judge whether the surge worked or not, and come September the Râ€™s will more than like still be saying that we canâ€™t leave until we have â€œwonâ€,</p>
<p>PK, while there is &#8220;truth&#8221; to that, I don&#8217;t paint it as black and white. If May-Sept reports out like April did, R&#8217;s will not be as dogmatic as you&#8217;re phrasing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Steck</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12690/iraq-plan-b/comment-page-1/#comment-79563</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Steck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 19:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wouldnâ€™t it be a novel idea to actually start talking about some middle set of options that fall between pull out totally right now and stay for the next 10 or 20 years.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Already started:  http://tutakai.typepad.com/tutakai/2007/05/a_moderate_iraq.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wouldnâ€™t it be a novel idea to actually start talking about some middle set of options that fall between pull out totally right now and stay for the next 10 or 20 years.</p></blockquote>
<p>Already started:  <a href="http://tutakai.typepad.com/tutakai/2007/05/a_moderate_iraq.html" rel="nofollow">http://tutakai.typepad.com/tutakai/2007/05/a_moderate_iraq.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: PK</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12690/iraq-plan-b/comment-page-1/#comment-79559</link>
		<dc:creator>PK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 18:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately this cartoon will probably prove to be very prophetic by the time September roles around.  The truth is there will be no way to conclusively judge whether the surge worked or not, and come September the R&#039;s will more than like still be saying that we can&#039;t leave until we have &quot;won&quot;, and the D&#039;s will be saying we have to pull everybody out right now.

Neither side has a plan, nor does it seem likely that they will have one.

We probably won&#039;t see a settlement of this whole thing until after a new President is sworn in January 2009.  By that time our Army and Marines will be totally worn down, and worn out from too many cycles through the theatre and we will have no choice but to pull out as fast as possible.

Wouldn&#039;t it be a novel idea to actually start talking about some middle set of options that fall between pull out totally right now and stay for the next 10 or 20 years.  Oh well, that would be asking a bit much of our political leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately this cartoon will probably prove to be very prophetic by the time September roles around.  The truth is there will be no way to conclusively judge whether the surge worked or not, and come September the R&#8217;s will more than like still be saying that we can&#8217;t leave until we have &#8220;won&#8221;, and the D&#8217;s will be saying we have to pull everybody out right now.</p>
<p>Neither side has a plan, nor does it seem likely that they will have one.</p>
<p>We probably won&#8217;t see a settlement of this whole thing until after a new President is sworn in January 2009.  By that time our Army and Marines will be totally worn down, and worn out from too many cycles through the theatre and we will have no choice but to pull out as fast as possible.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be a novel idea to actually start talking about some middle set of options that fall between pull out totally right now and stay for the next 10 or 20 years.  Oh well, that would be asking a bit much of our political leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Steck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Steck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 18:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put a donkey in the place of the elephant and you would only need to change one word -- the word &quot;surge&quot; would be replaced with &quot;withdrawal&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put a donkey in the place of the elephant and you would only need to change one word &#8212; the word &#8220;surge&#8221; would be replaced with &#8220;withdrawal&#8221;.</p>
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