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		<title>By: (Updated)SNP Eeks Out a Win in Scotland &#124; The Moderate Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>(Updated)SNP Eeks Out a Win in Scotland &#124; The Moderate Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 18:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reported here yesterday, at the heart of calls for a referendum on independence â€“ which a vast majority of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: (Update) Scottish Election Results in Disarray &#124; The Moderate Voice</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12596/the-scots-no-longer-british-first-nae/comment-page-1/#comment-78956</link>
		<dc:creator>(Update) Scottish Election Results in Disarray &#124; The Moderate Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 14:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reported here yesterday, at the heart of calls for a referendum on independence â€“ which a vast majority of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12596/the-scots-no-longer-british-first-nae/comment-page-1/#comment-78826</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 17:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...evidence that the Scots were developing biological warfare capabilities&quot; = 

Haggis!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;evidence that the Scots were developing biological warfare capabilities&#8221; = </p>
<p>Haggis!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 16:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aye-aye-aye!  Dick Cheney in a kilt!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aye-aye-aye!  Dick Cheney in a kilt!</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 15:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;test&lt;/b&gt; test</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>test</b> test</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12596/the-scots-no-longer-british-first-nae/comment-page-1/#comment-78779</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 15:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;/b&gt;The worst thing they could do is become independent, at least while Bush is still in office. According to our friends on the left, he would make up evidence that the Scots were developing biological warfare capabilities to put doen a PIct uprising, and trying to buy nuclear technology to use against England. He would then invade the country to replace their government, and assign Halliburton to rebuild Scotland and run their oil fields for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst thing they could do is become independent, at least while Bush is still in office. According to our friends on the left, he would make up evidence that the Scots were developing biological warfare capabilities to put doen a PIct uprising, and trying to buy nuclear technology to use against England. He would then invade the country to replace their government, and assign Halliburton to rebuild Scotland and run their oil fields for them.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 14:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Scots seem to be among the few minorities left at whom fun can be poked without accusations of bias and hatred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Scots seem to be among the few minorities left at whom fun can be poked without accusations of bias and hatred.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12596/the-scots-no-longer-british-first-nae/comment-page-1/#comment-78761</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 14:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marlowe!

&gt; Quebec, in Canada, is a
&gt; good analogy for this,
&gt; as they have a strong
&gt; separtist party. In the
&gt; 1990s they almost
&gt; managed thisâ€¦with a
&gt; poll famously showing
&gt; how most Quebecers
&gt; thought when they
&gt; separated from Canada
&gt; they would still receive
&gt; Canadian welfare,
&gt; unemployment, medical
&gt; care, and be able to use
&gt; Canadian money and
&gt; passports.

Absolutely!  &quot;Divorce with bedroom privileges.&quot;

I love Quebec and wouldn&#039;t be bothered in the slightest to see it become independent (the eastern, Maritime ROC wouldn&#039;t like it, on the other hand, would feel like Bangladesh).  But so many of the people there are as you have described, unrealistic.

Related to this (you probably know this but other readers here may well not) is the question of secession.  Why does a referendum on secession have anything other than a clear question on secession?  &quot;Do you wish to secede from Canada?&quot; or &quot;Do you wish to become an independent nation?&quot; count.  Some activists, as it has been said, would claim &quot;Do you like gravy on your roast beef?&quot; is a clear question on the issue of secession (&quot;separation&quot;).

The one thing I&#039;ll point out in defense of the Quebecois is that many of them know the question isn&#039;t clear, but they still vote Oui in order to cast a no-confidence vote on the government at the time in Ottawa and simply to be heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marlowe!</p>
<p>&gt; Quebec, in Canada, is a<br />
&gt; good analogy for this,<br />
&gt; as they have a strong<br />
&gt; separtist party. In the<br />
&gt; 1990s they almost<br />
&gt; managed thisâ€¦with a<br />
&gt; poll famously showing<br />
&gt; how most Quebecers<br />
&gt; thought when they<br />
&gt; separated from Canada<br />
&gt; they would still receive<br />
&gt; Canadian welfare,<br />
&gt; unemployment, medical<br />
&gt; care, and be able to use<br />
&gt; Canadian money and<br />
&gt; passports.</p>
<p>Absolutely!  &#8220;Divorce with bedroom privileges.&#8221;</p>
<p>I love Quebec and wouldn&#8217;t be bothered in the slightest to see it become independent (the eastern, Maritime ROC wouldn&#8217;t like it, on the other hand, would feel like Bangladesh).  But so many of the people there are as you have described, unrealistic.</p>
<p>Related to this (you probably know this but other readers here may well not) is the question of secession.  Why does a referendum on secession have anything other than a clear question on secession?  &#8220;Do you wish to secede from Canada?&#8221; or &#8220;Do you wish to become an independent nation?&#8221; count.  Some activists, as it has been said, would claim &#8220;Do you like gravy on your roast beef?&#8221; is a clear question on the issue of secession (&#8221;separation&#8221;).</p>
<p>The one thing I&#8217;ll point out in defense of the Quebecois is that many of them know the question isn&#8217;t clear, but they still vote Oui in order to cast a no-confidence vote on the government at the time in Ottawa and simply to be heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 13:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>60 billion a year is a pretty convincing reason to me. But I am sure the Scots probably think the money will still come even when they are independent.

Quebec, in Canada, is a good analogy for this, as they have a strong separtist party. In the 1990s they almost managed this...with a poll famously showing how most Quebecers thought when they separated from Canada they would still receive Canadian welfare, unemployment, medical care, and be able to use Canadian money and passports.

But what will the English do without Scotland.  The Scots are the only people whose cuisine the English -- a people who invented the deep-fried Mars bar, I would remind folks -- can legitimately mock. 

Dr. Johnson - the inventor of the English dictionary - was a profound hater of Scotland and things Scottish.  He had some great lines:

&quot;The noblest prospect which a Scotchman ever sees, is the high road that leads him to England!&quot;

He would not allow Scotland to derive any credit from Lord Mansfield; for he was educated in England. &quot;Much may be made of a Scotchman, if he be caught young.&quot;

Johnson, when asked by a Scot what he thought of Scotland: 
&quot;That it is a very vile country, to be sure, Sir&quot; 
&quot;Well, Sir!&quot; replied the Scot, &quot;God made it.&quot; 
Johnson: &quot;Certainly he did; but we must always remember that he made it for Scotchmen, and comparisons are odious. God made hell too.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>60 billion a year is a pretty convincing reason to me. But I am sure the Scots probably think the money will still come even when they are independent.</p>
<p>Quebec, in Canada, is a good analogy for this, as they have a strong separtist party. In the 1990s they almost managed this&#8230;with a poll famously showing how most Quebecers thought when they separated from Canada they would still receive Canadian welfare, unemployment, medical care, and be able to use Canadian money and passports.</p>
<p>But what will the English do without Scotland.  The Scots are the only people whose cuisine the English &#8212; a people who invented the deep-fried Mars bar, I would remind folks &#8212; can legitimately mock. </p>
<p>Dr. Johnson &#8211; the inventor of the English dictionary &#8211; was a profound hater of Scotland and things Scottish.  He had some great lines:</p>
<p>&#8220;The noblest prospect which a Scotchman ever sees, is the high road that leads him to England!&#8221;</p>
<p>He would not allow Scotland to derive any credit from Lord Mansfield; for he was educated in England. &#8220;Much may be made of a Scotchman, if he be caught young.&#8221;</p>
<p>Johnson, when asked by a Scot what he thought of Scotland:<br />
&#8220;That it is a very vile country, to be sure, Sir&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Well, Sir!&#8221; replied the Scot, &#8220;God made it.&#8221;<br />
Johnson: &#8220;Certainly he did; but we must always remember that he made it for Scotchmen, and comparisons are odious. God made hell too.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 13:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived in Scotland for a year (1993-94) and I can tell you that nationalism there is real.  That was before the devolution parliament was established, mind you, but Scots are insistent that Scotland comes before Britain.

To the Scots, the modern EU would make Scotland perfectly palatable as an independent nation. I just don&#039;t think the EU wants yet another tiny country to support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in Scotland for a year (1993-94) and I can tell you that nationalism there is real.  That was before the devolution parliament was established, mind you, but Scots are insistent that Scotland comes before Britain.</p>
<p>To the Scots, the modern EU would make Scotland perfectly palatable as an independent nation. I just don&#8217;t think the EU wants yet another tiny country to support.</p>
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		<title>By: Swaraaj Chauhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swaraaj Chauhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 10:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While on a walk on a cold foggy morning at the Royal Mile in Edinburgh (1975), I greeted an elderly lady walking with the help of a stick. &quot;How wonderful, the English indeed are fond of their morning constitutional,&quot; I said cheerfully. 

The lady suddenly stopped in her tracks and looked me in amazement: &quot;Oh laddie! We are not English...&lt;b&gt;We are Scottish&lt;b/&gt;. Haven&#039;t you read history? All the wars that we have fought...&quot;

I got a really long lecture over a cup of steaming tea...And would never forget that lesson in my life!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While on a walk on a cold foggy morning at the Royal Mile in Edinburgh (1975), I greeted an elderly lady walking with the help of a stick. &#8220;How wonderful, the English indeed are fond of their morning constitutional,&#8221; I said cheerfully. </p>
<p>The lady suddenly stopped in her tracks and looked me in amazement: &#8220;Oh laddie! We are not English&#8230;<b>We are Scottish<b />. Haven&#8217;t you read history? All the wars that we have fought&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I got a really long lecture over a cup of steaming tea&#8230;And would never forget that lesson in my life!!!</b></p>
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