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	<title>Comments on: Gonzales&#8217; GOP Support Fading While Bush&#8217;s Support Remains Firm</title>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12340/gonzales-gop-support-fading-while-bush-support-remains-firm/comment-page-1/#comment-76107</link>
		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our democracy is based on the trust we all have in our justice system. It is a basic tenet of fairness. I think most people do not want the AG to be a political hack or the Justice Dept to be an arm of the RNC. It sets a terrible precedent for later administrations. Most good or great presidents have put this trust above their own petty partisan battles. That Bush has not, is a reason that he should be vilified more than the others. Bush&#039;s base is about 33% of the country. Is that democracy or oligarchy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our democracy is based on the trust we all have in our justice system. It is a basic tenet of fairness. I think most people do not want the AG to be a political hack or the Justice Dept to be an arm of the RNC. It sets a terrible precedent for later administrations. Most good or great presidents have put this trust above their own petty partisan battles. That Bush has not, is a reason that he should be vilified more than the others. Bush&#8217;s base is about 33% of the country. Is that democracy or oligarchy?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe: I&#039;m actually thinking that &quot;by the base, for the base&quot; is probably really an issue of engineering the institutions of a democracy.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/21/jon-stewart-vs-john-bolton/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This clip&lt;/a&gt; of Bolton and John Stewart actually articulates the issue clearly.

Bolton is asserting, more or less, as a matter a faith, that if the President doesn&#039;t act the way GWB has, then &quot;what&#039;s the point of having elections&quot;, Stewart the opposite.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://216.35.221.77/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9688259&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A similar theme&lt;/a&gt;was echoed by Noel Francisco regarding the USA issue.

As a hypothetical example, (and it&#039;s a deliberate caricature) suppose that each Republican administration appoints partisan hacks who trump up voter fraud charges against Democrats, and each Democrat administration appoints partisan hacks who deliberately refuse to pursue cases in which illegal immigrants vote Democratic.

In Bolton&#039;s world (and Tom DeLay&#039;s as well IIRC), voters can decide whether or not they like the priorities of each administration, and can boot them out.  Hence *over time* you would expect alternating administrations with alternating priorities so that things would be a wash.  In Stewart&#039;s world, the idea is that an administration would try to moderate it&#039;s behavior so that it&#039;s base might never be happy, but a certain portion of its base might be moderately be more happy.

I would suspect that readers of TMV would, by definition, be more attracted to Jon Stewarts world, since policies would be more moderate and centrist most of the time, but more to the point, candidates from either party can choose to pursue more polarizing and ideological platforms or more centrist, inclusive platforms.  I.e. the system theoretically offers not merely a choice between one polar alternative and another, but also choices which represents less extreme choices.

Having said all that, in many respects the U.S. two-party system offers far *less* choice than many multi-party states, but doesn&#039;t have the sometimes crippling downside of consistently shifting fragile coalitions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe: I&#8217;m actually thinking that &#8220;by the base, for the base&#8221; is probably really an issue of engineering the institutions of a democracy.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/21/jon-stewart-vs-john-bolton/" rel="nofollow">This clip</a> of Bolton and John Stewart actually articulates the issue clearly.</p>
<p>Bolton is asserting, more or less, as a matter a faith, that if the President doesn&#8217;t act the way GWB has, then &#8220;what&#8217;s the point of having elections&#8221;, Stewart the opposite.  <a href="http://216.35.221.77/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9688259" rel="nofollow">A similar theme</a>was echoed by Noel Francisco regarding the USA issue.</p>
<p>As a hypothetical example, (and it&#8217;s a deliberate caricature) suppose that each Republican administration appoints partisan hacks who trump up voter fraud charges against Democrats, and each Democrat administration appoints partisan hacks who deliberately refuse to pursue cases in which illegal immigrants vote Democratic.</p>
<p>In Bolton&#8217;s world (and Tom DeLay&#8217;s as well IIRC), voters can decide whether or not they like the priorities of each administration, and can boot them out.  Hence *over time* you would expect alternating administrations with alternating priorities so that things would be a wash.  In Stewart&#8217;s world, the idea is that an administration would try to moderate it&#8217;s behavior so that it&#8217;s base might never be happy, but a certain portion of its base might be moderately be more happy.</p>
<p>I would suspect that readers of TMV would, by definition, be more attracted to Jon Stewarts world, since policies would be more moderate and centrist most of the time, but more to the point, candidates from either party can choose to pursue more polarizing and ideological platforms or more centrist, inclusive platforms.  I.e. the system theoretically offers not merely a choice between one polar alternative and another, but also choices which represents less extreme choices.</p>
<p>Having said all that, in many respects the U.S. two-party system offers far *less* choice than many multi-party states, but doesn&#8217;t have the sometimes crippling downside of consistently shifting fragile coalitions.</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with this administration is that it is rotten to the core. Removing the individual players at this point will do little to change or reform it. At least its very corrupt nature is coming to light, except for people who are the gullible believers of the Republican spin machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with this administration is that it is rotten to the core. Removing the individual players at this point will do little to change or reform it. At least its very corrupt nature is coming to light, except for people who are the gullible believers of the Republican spin machine.</p>
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		<title>By: White Agent</title>
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		<dc:creator>White Agent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol---I don&#039;t think even his mother wants him anymore. Where are all of those lock-step republicans that say they think individually?

ROTFL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol&#8212;I don&#8217;t think even his mother wants him anymore. Where are all of those lock-step republicans that say they think individually?</p>
<p>ROTFL</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe
I think you underestmate the dificulty of finding a replacement.  
1. An unpopular lame duck administration.
2. The hell that will be the confirmation for anyone Bush choses.
And we know that Bush will not pick anyone who will be confirmed easily - not his style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe<br />
I think you underestmate the dificulty of finding a replacement.<br />
1. An unpopular lame duck administration.<br />
2. The hell that will be the confirmation for anyone Bush choses.<br />
And we know that Bush will not pick anyone who will be confirmed easily &#8211; not his style.</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is smart- remember Gonzales knows just how much the WH was involved in this- and about potentially embarassing and illegal activity that violates the Hatch Act. What do you think is in all of the missing e-mails? At first, I just thought that Gonzales was an incompetent toady, but after thinking it over, I realized that he rehearsed that Bozo act for a month- with a lot of help from WH lawyers. He can&#039;t be indicted for memory failure or for apparent monumental stupidity, and neither can anyone else at the WH. It was a performance- he&#039;s not really that clueless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is smart- remember Gonzales knows just how much the WH was involved in this- and about potentially embarassing and illegal activity that violates the Hatch Act. What do you think is in all of the missing e-mails? At first, I just thought that Gonzales was an incompetent toady, but after thinking it over, I realized that he rehearsed that Bozo act for a month- with a lot of help from WH lawyers. He can&#8217;t be indicted for memory failure or for apparent monumental stupidity, and neither can anyone else at the WH. It was a performance- he&#8217;s not really that clueless.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All Bush has left is loyalty. His administration is in shambles. He faces the real possibility of going down in history as one of America&#039;s worst presidents if not the worst.
Gonzales has been his boy for years. Remember, he wanted him on the Supreme Court.
Gonzales has always been a friend of George. George is just returning the favor.
It&#039;s not smart, but when was the last time Bush did anything smart?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All Bush has left is loyalty. His administration is in shambles. He faces the real possibility of going down in history as one of America&#8217;s worst presidents if not the worst.<br />
Gonzales has been his boy for years. Remember, he wanted him on the Supreme Court.<br />
Gonzales has always been a friend of George. George is just returning the favor.<br />
It&#8217;s not smart, but when was the last time Bush did anything smart?</p>
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		<title>By: White Agent</title>
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		<dc:creator>White Agent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe this guy is so unpopular nobody even wants to comment. There has been SO MUCH republican corruption, I think people are just burned out about yet another.

lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe this guy is so unpopular nobody even wants to comment. There has been SO MUCH republican corruption, I think people are just burned out about yet another.</p>
<p>lol</p>
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