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	<title>Comments on: Reidâ€™s â€œLost the Warâ€? Comment</title>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>W.A. - Look at the GOP big donor lists-they are the big winners in the Iraq War sweepstakes, and they help to keep the miserable hides of those who sustain this debacle in office. That is why they do it. Talking macho reminds the base of Reagan and they fall for it over and over. Most importantly, a lot of the GOP base accept the ideology blindly and do not understand other cultures. They believe in American ascendance in the world without question of its consequences to other countries. That&#039;s why the invasion of Iraq, and the loss of its sovreignty  was not a moral question to them. With all that has occurred 75% of GOP voters still support our war efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W.A. &#8211; Look at the GOP big donor lists-they are the big winners in the Iraq War sweepstakes, and they help to keep the miserable hides of those who sustain this debacle in office. That is why they do it. Talking macho reminds the base of Reagan and they fall for it over and over. Most importantly, a lot of the GOP base accept the ideology blindly and do not understand other cultures. They believe in American ascendance in the world without question of its consequences to other countries. That&#8217;s why the invasion of Iraq, and the loss of its sovreignty  was not a moral question to them. With all that has occurred 75% of GOP voters still support our war efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you find that Astonishing Kritter?  Why are 40 percent of Americans in favor of gay rights when they have no Gay children or are not Gay themselves?  Why does 90 percent of the country favor legislation helping the poor when they are not poor themselves?

Why do we spend Billion fighting Aids when we are not inflicted with aids ourself?  Why do we Favor abortion when we have never had an abortion?

People favor these things because it is the right thing to do.

Someone asked how much we are willing to spend?

My response to them is this.  How much are we willing to spend on poverty.  We have sinking billions and billions on Poverty for 70 years now.  We have increased the deficit by 1 trillion dollars just by fighting Poverty.  When is ENOUGH already?  When do we say its a losing cause and just bring the troops home and stop fighting poverty?

AFter Virginia Tech what is the point of trying to combat Crime?  Why continue as a nation spending 100&#039;s of billions of dollars a year fighting Crime and losing police officers and citizens to the ravages of Crime?  When is it ENOUGH?  Why spend another dime?

When to we say enough is enough, give up and quit?

The answer is that we do NOT because it is a war that MUST be fought.  It is a battle that must be engaged.  It is a cost that must be endured.  Aids?  The same.  Cancer?  The Same.  Genocide?  The same.

Some battles just must be fought.  The war on terrorism must be fought.   

I doubt you want to give up the war on poverty, crime, aids, cancer?  We have spent Trillions on those wars.  I propose this war has an equal significance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you find that Astonishing Kritter?  Why are 40 percent of Americans in favor of gay rights when they have no Gay children or are not Gay themselves?  Why does 90 percent of the country favor legislation helping the poor when they are not poor themselves?</p>
<p>Why do we spend Billion fighting Aids when we are not inflicted with aids ourself?  Why do we Favor abortion when we have never had an abortion?</p>
<p>People favor these things because it is the right thing to do.</p>
<p>Someone asked how much we are willing to spend?</p>
<p>My response to them is this.  How much are we willing to spend on poverty.  We have sinking billions and billions on Poverty for 70 years now.  We have increased the deficit by 1 trillion dollars just by fighting Poverty.  When is ENOUGH already?  When do we say its a losing cause and just bring the troops home and stop fighting poverty?</p>
<p>AFter Virginia Tech what is the point of trying to combat Crime?  Why continue as a nation spending 100&#8242;s of billions of dollars a year fighting Crime and losing police officers and citizens to the ravages of Crime?  When is it ENOUGH?  Why spend another dime?</p>
<p>When to we say enough is enough, give up and quit?</p>
<p>The answer is that we do NOT because it is a war that MUST be fought.  It is a battle that must be engaged.  It is a cost that must be endured.  Aids?  The same.  Cancer?  The Same.  Genocide?  The same.</p>
<p>Some battles just must be fought.  The war on terrorism must be fought.   </p>
<p>I doubt you want to give up the war on poverty, crime, aids, cancer?  We have spent Trillions on those wars.  I propose this war has an equal significance.</p>
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		<title>By: White Agent</title>
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		<dc:creator>White Agent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kritter- Its generally old men making war and sending young kids to die for it. I can&#039;t figure out if the republicans see a boogie man behind every tree, or, just want to live vicariously through the young. In anycase they sure as hell don&#039;t know what they are doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kritter- Its generally old men making war and sending young kids to die for it. I can&#8217;t figure out if the republicans see a boogie man behind every tree, or, just want to live vicariously through the young. In anycase they sure as hell don&#8217;t know what they are doing.</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is astonishing how few of the war hawks have their own kids in the fight, yet have no problem sending other peoples kids off to war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is astonishing how few of the war hawks have their own kids in the fight, yet have no problem sending other peoples kids off to war.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Im all for Hillary&#039;s plan.  After all its what I&#039;ve been pushing for months.  The similarity is amazing when you look at Bosnia.  Nato pretty much stayed out of the way and allowed the 4 groups involved over there to beat their brains out until they no longer had the stomach for more killing.

Then Nato stepped in and said &quot;Are you done yet?&quot;

They Said &quot;Yeah.&quot;

Voilla A statue of Bill Clinton in Sarajevo.

Hillary wants a statue of herself in Baghdad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Im all for Hillary&#8217;s plan.  After all its what I&#8217;ve been pushing for months.  The similarity is amazing when you look at Bosnia.  Nato pretty much stayed out of the way and allowed the 4 groups involved over there to beat their brains out until they no longer had the stomach for more killing.</p>
<p>Then Nato stepped in and said &#8220;Are you done yet?&#8221;</p>
<p>They Said &#8220;Yeah.&#8221;</p>
<p>Voilla A statue of Bill Clinton in Sarajevo.</p>
<p>Hillary wants a statue of herself in Baghdad.</p>
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		<title>By: White Agent</title>
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		<dc:creator>White Agent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The war is LOST. Pull the troops out because we are just wasting their lives for nothing but republican political &quot;face&quot;.

The RIGHT thinks they are making hay by attacking Senator Reid for stating the OBVIOUS.

lol, they thought pretty much the same thing last November. Stupid is as stupid does.

You want to make war right wingers? Then I say bring back the Draft, but start drafting the richest kids first, no college deferment unless your family makes under a hundred grand a year. Make sure the richest become combat infantry FIRST!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The war is LOST. Pull the troops out because we are just wasting their lives for nothing but republican political &#8220;face&#8221;.</p>
<p>The RIGHT thinks they are making hay by attacking Senator Reid for stating the OBVIOUS.</p>
<p>lol, they thought pretty much the same thing last November. Stupid is as stupid does.</p>
<p>You want to make war right wingers? Then I say bring back the Draft, but start drafting the richest kids first, no college deferment unless your family makes under a hundred grand a year. Make sure the richest become combat infantry FIRST!</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as the right finds Harry&#039;s comments to be useful politically to their side- (that way they can show the Democrats want our defeat in Iraq-) the diplomats seem to also find them useful.  Sec Def Gates has commended Congress for having the debate about war funding, because it is putting needed pressure on Maliki&#039;s govt to get their act together. This is just what the Democrats said would happen if we insisted on benchmarks. Looks like they were right, and that the objections to Reids comments are mostly useful rhetoric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as the right finds Harry&#8217;s comments to be useful politically to their side- (that way they can show the Democrats want our defeat in Iraq-) the diplomats seem to also find them useful.  Sec Def Gates has commended Congress for having the debate about war funding, because it is putting needed pressure on Maliki&#8217;s govt to get their act together. This is just what the Democrats said would happen if we insisted on benchmarks. Looks like they were right, and that the objections to Reids comments are mostly useful rhetoric.</p>
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		<title>By: mrgavel</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrgavel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Okay, here is the question for all of you who are condemning Harry Reid&#039;s comments: At what point will you find the loss of American lives and money to be unacceptable?&lt;/strong&gt; Right now the total is over 3,000 American dead, over 20,000 wounded, and over 419 billion dollars spent. At what point do you say we have sacrificed enough in Iraq? Is it 5,000 American dead, 10,000, 15,000?Is it a half a trillion dollars, a trillion dollars, a trillon and half dollars? If you are supporting this war, at what point do you decide that we have sacrificed enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Okay, here is the question for all of you who are condemning Harry Reid&#8217;s comments: At what point will you find the loss of American lives and money to be unacceptable?</strong> Right now the total is over 3,000 American dead, over 20,000 wounded, and over 419 billion dollars spent. At what point do you say we have sacrificed enough in Iraq? Is it 5,000 American dead, 10,000, 15,000?Is it a half a trillion dollars, a trillion dollars, a trillon and half dollars? If you are supporting this war, at what point do you decide that we have sacrificed enough?</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris - my relatives the Croations started the sectarian war and the ethnic cleansing. The Serbs fought back and took it to another level. The EU community sided with the Croations, while the Russians sided with Orthodox Serbia. Both sides were guilty of crimes before during and after the wars. Atleast the west was knowlegable about Yugoslavia, about Iraq we know nothing. This ignorance is a major problem in Iraq, an ignorant US administration doesn&#039;t help the mix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8211; my relatives the Croations started the sectarian war and the ethnic cleansing. The Serbs fought back and took it to another level. The EU community sided with the Croations, while the Russians sided with Orthodox Serbia. Both sides were guilty of crimes before during and after the wars. Atleast the west was knowlegable about Yugoslavia, about Iraq we know nothing. This ignorance is a major problem in Iraq, an ignorant US administration doesn&#8217;t help the mix.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;An air campaign like Kosovo is to [sic] late&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The ethnic cleansing in Kosovo began after the bombing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>An air campaign like Kosovo is to [sic] late</p></blockquote>
<p>The ethnic cleansing in Kosovo began after the bombing.</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually in Yugoslavia, unlike Iraq, we are greeted as liberators. They erected a big statue in gratitude to Bill Clinton&#039;s efforts in the &#039;90&#039;s. The contrast in the way the two wars have been waged could not be more apparent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually in Yugoslavia, unlike Iraq, we are greeted as liberators. They erected a big statue in gratitude to Bill Clinton&#8217;s efforts in the &#8217;90&#8242;s. The contrast in the way the two wars have been waged could not be more apparent.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody Yugoslavia was one of the more &quot;liberal&quot; communist regimes in Europe after WWII, similar to Hungary or CZ. After the Commies fall Democracy was established for a few years before the civil war started. The intell was good before the bombings. None of these conditions existed in Afgahanistan or Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody Yugoslavia was one of the more &#8220;liberal&#8221; communist regimes in Europe after WWII, similar to Hungary or CZ. After the Commies fall Democracy was established for a few years before the civil war started. The intell was good before the bombings. None of these conditions existed in Afgahanistan or Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember now when you hear from people like Reid that there are two versions of what should happen in Iraq coming form the front running contenders to the Democratic nomination for President.

Barack Obama who says hell no get the hell out of Iraq and then we will think about what to do next.  In my view this shows his total lack of understanding of foreign affairs and the implications that it has for the United States and its presence in an area that is the life blood of this Nation.  No oil and we fold like a tent in a hurricane.

Or you have Hillarys position which I have just outlined with understands the geopolitical consequences of Iraq and is trying to figure out how to play to the antiwar to make them understand how Important Iraq really is.

You have two sides.  Harry Reid just announced who he is supporting for the nomination.  In the future when you hear Democrats saying one thing or another about Iraq you will be getting a sense of the division that is beginning to occur inside the Democratic party.

Now this division is not that big of a deal.  It is one issue, but it is about terrorism, it is about who is better qualified to run the country and it is about the future of Americas interests in the Middle east.  The EU is praying that the USA flees Iraq with her tail between her legs.  

Obama wants that.  Hillary does not.  Who prevails will be who wins the nomination.  Pure and simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember now when you hear from people like Reid that there are two versions of what should happen in Iraq coming form the front running contenders to the Democratic nomination for President.</p>
<p>Barack Obama who says hell no get the hell out of Iraq and then we will think about what to do next.  In my view this shows his total lack of understanding of foreign affairs and the implications that it has for the United States and its presence in an area that is the life blood of this Nation.  No oil and we fold like a tent in a hurricane.</p>
<p>Or you have Hillarys position which I have just outlined with understands the geopolitical consequences of Iraq and is trying to figure out how to play to the antiwar to make them understand how Important Iraq really is.</p>
<p>You have two sides.  Harry Reid just announced who he is supporting for the nomination.  In the future when you hear Democrats saying one thing or another about Iraq you will be getting a sense of the division that is beginning to occur inside the Democratic party.</p>
<p>Now this division is not that big of a deal.  It is one issue, but it is about terrorism, it is about who is better qualified to run the country and it is about the future of Americas interests in the Middle east.  The EU is praying that the USA flees Iraq with her tail between her legs.  </p>
<p>Obama wants that.  Hillary does not.  Who prevails will be who wins the nomination.  Pure and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hillary Clinton&#039;s support for the Iraq war stemmed in part from her optimism about what American military power could accomplish.  She firmly believes in her husbands accomplishments in Bosnia and Kosovo and what was able to be accomplished there.  The United States and its European Allies were able to end the ethnic cleansing and created a  stability in the Balkans through bombing the Serbs into submission. 

Bush&#039;s administration enjoyed similar success in Afghanistan and the displaced Afghanis were gladly flocking to the wonderful help that the United States was offering them in retaking their country from the radical Taliban.  The USA was greeted as liberators in the Balkans and in Afghanistan.  Why Not Iraq?  Why not.  That was the premise every Democrat had to face.  Its happened twice with Muslim countries liberated by America so why not a third time?

 This led not only neoconservatives, but also liberals like Clinton to be optimistic about what an American invasion of Iraq could accomplish. Despite the setbacks that have happened in Iraq Clinton remains wedded to a version of the same approach.  The failure of the Bush Administration has been to not include people like Hillary and many more like her who really did and still do to some degree support what is trying to be accomplished in Iraq.

Now her plan and mine call for the redeployment of troops into a containment and force presence.  The civil war is going to happen.  However force containment&#039;s purpose is simply to prevent the spilling of this civil war into neighboring Jordan, Syria, or Saudi Arabia.  No one wants that.  Secondly the force containments primary objective will be to prevent the outside influence of other nations from influencing the events transpiring in Iraq.  

Unfortunately the Iraqis hate each other so much that 100,000,000 troops could not keep them from slitting each others throats in the middle of the night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary Clinton&#8217;s support for the Iraq war stemmed in part from her optimism about what American military power could accomplish.  She firmly believes in her husbands accomplishments in Bosnia and Kosovo and what was able to be accomplished there.  The United States and its European Allies were able to end the ethnic cleansing and created a  stability in the Balkans through bombing the Serbs into submission. </p>
<p>Bush&#8217;s administration enjoyed similar success in Afghanistan and the displaced Afghanis were gladly flocking to the wonderful help that the United States was offering them in retaking their country from the radical Taliban.  The USA was greeted as liberators in the Balkans and in Afghanistan.  Why Not Iraq?  Why not.  That was the premise every Democrat had to face.  Its happened twice with Muslim countries liberated by America so why not a third time?</p>
<p> This led not only neoconservatives, but also liberals like Clinton to be optimistic about what an American invasion of Iraq could accomplish. Despite the setbacks that have happened in Iraq Clinton remains wedded to a version of the same approach.  The failure of the Bush Administration has been to not include people like Hillary and many more like her who really did and still do to some degree support what is trying to be accomplished in Iraq.</p>
<p>Now her plan and mine call for the redeployment of troops into a containment and force presence.  The civil war is going to happen.  However force containment&#8217;s purpose is simply to prevent the spilling of this civil war into neighboring Jordan, Syria, or Saudi Arabia.  No one wants that.  Secondly the force containments primary objective will be to prevent the outside influence of other nations from influencing the events transpiring in Iraq.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately the Iraqis hate each other so much that 100,000,000 troops could not keep them from slitting each others throats in the middle of the night.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How will 75,000 troops curtail the sectarian killings? An air campaign like Kosovo is to late, 150,000 in secure FOB isn&#039;t working, maybe a combination of the two with a southern UK like stradegy a couple of years ago may have worked. Which will be resettled first, Fallujah or NO?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How will 75,000 troops curtail the sectarian killings? An air campaign like Kosovo is to late, 150,000 in secure FOB isn&#8217;t working, maybe a combination of the two with a southern UK like stradegy a couple of years ago may have worked. Which will be resettled first, Fallujah or NO?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strike&gt;Wolfie&lt;/strike&gt;Nobody, I am open to be persuaded about the use of that plan, the problem is: if 150,000 soldiers can&#039;t bring stability to Iraq, how can we expect half of that amount to do it? 

Purely a &quot;damage controll&quot; plan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strike>Wolfie</strike>Nobody, I am open to be persuaded about the use of that plan, the problem is: if 150,000 soldiers can&#8217;t bring stability to Iraq, how can we expect half of that amount to do it? </p>
<p>Purely a &#8220;damage controll&#8221; plan?</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Reid has any CubScout medals, maybe he&#039;ll throw them at the WH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Reid has any CubScout medals, maybe he&#8217;ll throw them at the WH.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are fighting over in Messopotami, not so that the &quot;brown skins&quot; can fight us in Deaborn because of BS Iraqis intel, so that Reid can say these exact words. He may be speaking the truth or being partisan, but that is his FREEDOM we fight for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are fighting over in Messopotami, not so that the &#8220;brown skins&#8221; can fight us in Deaborn because of BS Iraqis intel, so that Reid can say these exact words. He may be speaking the truth or being partisan, but that is his FREEDOM we fight for.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I just realized in rereading my above post that I might have implied something that is totally false. 

I did not, nor do not work for the Pentagon.  I have no literal buddies at the pentagon.  That was a figure of speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I just realized in rereading my above post that I might have implied something that is totally false. </p>
<p>I did not, nor do not work for the Pentagon.  I have no literal buddies at the pentagon.  That was a figure of speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets See what HILLARY has to Say on IRAQ.  I do not think she shares Harry Reid&#039;s view.

Hillary&#039;s solution to Iraq rests partly on diplomatic efforts on the political front and on the regional and international front.  This would include dialouge with both Syria and Iran.   While Clinton does not favor having U.S troops intervene in an Iraqi civil war, she wants to retain a significant force in Iraq. 

This force would try to &quot;contain the extremists,&quot; &quot;help the Kurds manage their various problems in the north,&quot; &quot;provide logistical support, air support, training support&quot; to the Iraqi government, and try &quot;to prevent Iran from crossing the border and having too much influence inside of Iraq.&quot;

Clinton&#039;s idea of an occupying force goes well beyond that of the recent Senate resolution. The resolution provides for a &quot;limited number&quot; of troops after the pullout date, which would be devoted to training and to &quot;targeted counter terrorism operations.&quot; By contrast, Clinton&#039;s force would have larger geopolitical responsibilities, including the restraint of Iranian power.

Clinton says she doesn&#039;t know how many U.S. troops her plan would require.  There is a former Pentagon comptroller who has developed a strikingly similar plan, estimates that 75,000 American troops would be needed to carry his plan out.  

Amazing.  I&#039;ve been hawking this plan for about 8 months now.  I guess my buddies at the Pentagon are finally starting to see things through my eyes. (Obligatory pat on the back) Thank you very much.

Now when I say whats the democrats plan?  You will know.  And you had to find out from a Neocon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets See what HILLARY has to Say on IRAQ.  I do not think she shares Harry Reid&#8217;s view.</p>
<p>Hillary&#8217;s solution to Iraq rests partly on diplomatic efforts on the political front and on the regional and international front.  This would include dialouge with both Syria and Iran.   While Clinton does not favor having U.S troops intervene in an Iraqi civil war, she wants to retain a significant force in Iraq. </p>
<p>This force would try to &#8220;contain the extremists,&#8221; &#8220;help the Kurds manage their various problems in the north,&#8221; &#8220;provide logistical support, air support, training support&#8221; to the Iraqi government, and try &#8220;to prevent Iran from crossing the border and having too much influence inside of Iraq.&#8221;</p>
<p>Clinton&#8217;s idea of an occupying force goes well beyond that of the recent Senate resolution. The resolution provides for a &#8220;limited number&#8221; of troops after the pullout date, which would be devoted to training and to &#8220;targeted counter terrorism operations.&#8221; By contrast, Clinton&#8217;s force would have larger geopolitical responsibilities, including the restraint of Iranian power.</p>
<p>Clinton says she doesn&#8217;t know how many U.S. troops her plan would require.  There is a former Pentagon comptroller who has developed a strikingly similar plan, estimates that 75,000 American troops would be needed to carry his plan out.  </p>
<p>Amazing.  I&#8217;ve been hawking this plan for about 8 months now.  I guess my buddies at the Pentagon are finally starting to see things through my eyes. (Obligatory pat on the back) Thank you very much.</p>
<p>Now when I say whats the democrats plan?  You will know.  And you had to find out from a Neocon.</p>
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