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		<title>By: toto</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/123028/barack-obama-and-america%e2%80%99s-pretzel-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-286151</link>
		<dc:creator>toto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 19:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A survey of 800 Pennsylvan­ia voters conducted on December 16-17, 2008 showed 78% overall support for a national popular vote for President.
Support was 87% among Democrats, 68% among Republican­s, and 76% among independen­ts.
By age, support was 77% among 18-29 year olds, 73% among 30-45 year olds, 81% among 46-65 year olds, and 78% for those older than 65.By gender, support was 85% among women and 71% among men.

The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC).

Under National Popular Vote, every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in every presidential election. Every vote would be included in the national count. The candidate with the most popular votes in all 50 states would get the 270+ electoral votes from the enacting states. That majority of electoral votes guarantees the candidate with the most popular votes in all 50 states wins the presidency.

National Popular Vote would give a voice to the minority party voters in each state and district (in ME and NE). Now their votes are counted only for the candidate they did not vote for. Now they don’t matter to their candidate.

With National Popular Vote, elections wouldn’t be about winning states or districts (in ME and NE). No more distorting and divisive red and blue state and district maps. Every vote, everywhere would be counted for and directly assist the candidate for whom it was cast.

In Gallup polls since 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state’s electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state (with about 70% opposed and about 10% undecided). The recent Washington Post, Kaiser Family Foundation, and Harvard University poll shows 72% support for direct nationwide election of the President. Support is strong in virtually every state, partisan, and demographic group surveyed iin recent polls in closely divided battleground states: CO– 68%, IA –75%, MI– 73%, MO– 70%, NH– 69%, NV– 72%, NM– 76%, NC– 74%, OH– 70%, PA — 78%, VA — 74%, and WI — 71%; in smaller states (3 to 5 electoral votes): AK – 70%, DC – 76%, DE –75%, ME — 77%, NE — 74%, NH –69%, NV — 72%, NM — 76%, RI — 74%, and VT — 75%; in Southern and border states: AR –80%, KY — 80%, MS –77%, MO — 70%, NC — 74%, and VA — 74%; and in other states polled: CA — 70%, CT — 74% , MA — 73%, MN – 75%, NY — 79%, WA — 77%, and WV- 81%.

On Election Night, most voters don’t care whether their presidential candidate wins or loses in their state… they care whether he/she wins the White House. Voters want to know, that even if they were on the losing side, their vote actually was directly and equally counted and mattered to their candidate. Most Americans consider the idea of the candidate with the most popular votes being declared a loser detestable. We don’t allow this in any other election in our representative republic.

The bill has passed 31 state legislativ­e chambers, in 21 small, medium-sma­ll, medium, and large states, including one house in AR, CT, DE, DC, ME, MI, NV, NM, NY, NC, and OR, and both houses in CA, CO, HI, IL, NJ, MD, MA, RI, VT, and WA. The bill has been enacted by DC (3), HI (4), IL (19), NJ (14), MD (11), MA (10), CA (55), VT (3), and WA (13). These 9 jurisdicti­ons possess 132 electoral votes — 49% of the 270 necessary to bring the law into effect.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A survey of 800 Pennsylvan­ia voters conducted on December 16-17, 2008 showed 78% overall support for a national popular vote for President.<br />
Support was 87% among Democrats, 68% among Republican­s, and 76% among independen­ts.<br />
By age, support was 77% among 18-29 year olds, 73% among 30-45 year olds, 81% among 46-65 year olds, and 78% for those older than 65.By gender, support was 85% among women and 71% among men.</p>
<p>The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC).</p>
<p>Under National Popular Vote, every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in every presidential election. Every vote would be included in the national count. The candidate with the most popular votes in all 50 states would get the 270+ electoral votes from the enacting states. That majority of electoral votes guarantees the candidate with the most popular votes in all 50 states wins the presidency.</p>
<p>National Popular Vote would give a voice to the minority party voters in each state and district (in ME and NE). Now their votes are counted only for the candidate they did not vote for. Now they don’t matter to their candidate.</p>
<p>With National Popular Vote, elections wouldn’t be about winning states or districts (in ME and NE). No more distorting and divisive red and blue state and district maps. Every vote, everywhere would be counted for and directly assist the candidate for whom it was cast.</p>
<p>In Gallup polls since 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state’s electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state (with about 70% opposed and about 10% undecided). The recent Washington Post, Kaiser Family Foundation, and Harvard University poll shows 72% support for direct nationwide election of the President. Support is strong in virtually every state, partisan, and demographic group surveyed iin recent polls in closely divided battleground states: CO– 68%, IA –75%, MI– 73%, MO– 70%, NH– 69%, NV– 72%, NM– 76%, NC– 74%, OH– 70%, PA — 78%, VA — 74%, and WI — 71%; in smaller states (3 to 5 electoral votes): AK – 70%, DC – 76%, DE –75%, ME — 77%, NE — 74%, NH –69%, NV — 72%, NM — 76%, RI — 74%, and VT — 75%; in Southern and border states: AR –80%, KY — 80%, MS –77%, MO — 70%, NC — 74%, and VA — 74%; and in other states polled: CA — 70%, CT — 74% , MA — 73%, MN – 75%, NY — 79%, WA — 77%, and WV- 81%.</p>
<p>On Election Night, most voters don’t care whether their presidential candidate wins or loses in their state… they care whether he/she wins the White House. Voters want to know, that even if they were on the losing side, their vote actually was directly and equally counted and mattered to their candidate. Most Americans consider the idea of the candidate with the most popular votes being declared a loser detestable. We don’t allow this in any other election in our representative republic.</p>
<p>The bill has passed 31 state legislativ­e chambers, in 21 small, medium-sma­ll, medium, and large states, including one house in AR, CT, DE, DC, ME, MI, NV, NM, NY, NC, and OR, and both houses in CA, CO, HI, IL, NJ, MD, MA, RI, VT, and WA. The bill has been enacted by DC (3), HI (4), IL (19), NJ (14), MD (11), MA (10), CA (55), VT (3), and WA (13). These 9 jurisdicti­ons possess 132 electoral votes — 49% of the 270 necessary to bring the law into effect.</p>
<p>NationalPo­pularVote</p>
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		<title>By: toto</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/123028/barack-obama-and-america%e2%80%99s-pretzel-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-286150</link>
		<dc:creator>toto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 19:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And to add to the mix, up in Maine, the only other state beside Nebraska to use the district method, Mike Tipping reports on Republicans, also newly in the majority like their counterparts in Pennsylvania. Earlier this year, Republican leaders in Maine proposed and passed a constitutional amendment that, if passed at referendum, will require a 2/3rds vote in all future redistricting decisions. Now they want to pass a majority-only plan.

Dividing Pennsylvania&#039;s electoral votes by district would magnify the worst features of the system and not reflect the diversity of Pennsylvania.

The district approach would provide less incentive for presidential candidates to campaign in all Pennsylvania districts and would not focus the candidates&#039; attention to issues of concern to the whole state. Candidates would have no reason to campaign in districts where they are comfortably ahead or hopelessly behind.

Due to gerrymandering, in 2008, only 4 Pennsylvania districts were competitive.

When votes matter, presidential candidates vigorously solicit those voters. When votes don&#039;t matter, they ignore those areas.

In Maine, where they award electoral votes by congressional district, the closely divided 2nd congressional district received campaign events in 2008 (whereas Maine&#039;s 1st reliably Democratic district was ignored)

In Nebraska, which also uses the district method, the 2008 presidential campaigns did not pay the slightest attention to the people of Nebraska&#039;s reliably Republican 1st and 3rd congressional districts because it was a foregone conclusion that McCain would win the most popular votes in both of those districts. The issues relevant to voters of the 2nd district (the Omaha area) mattered, while the (very different) issues relevant to the remaining (mostly rural) 2/3rds of the state were irrelevant.

When votes matter, presidential candidates vigorously solicit those voters. When votes don&#039;t matter, they ignore those areas.

Nationwide, there are only 55 &quot;battleground&quot; districts that are competitive in presidential elections. 88% of the nation&#039;s congressional districts would be ignored if a district-level winner-take-all system were used nationally.

If the district approach were used nationally, it would be less fair and less accurately reflect the will of the people than the current system. In 2004, Bush won 50.7% of the popular vote, but 59% of the districts. Although Bush lost the national popular vote in 2000, he won 55% of the country&#039;s congressional districts.

Awarding electoral votes by congressional district could result in third party candidates winning electoral votes that would deny either major party candidate the necessary majority vote of electors and throw the process into Congress to decide.

Because there are generally more close votes on district levels than states as whole, district elections increase the opportunity for error. The larger the voting base, the less opportunity there is for an especially close vote.

Also, a second-place candidate could still win the White House without winning the national popular vote.

A national popular vote is the way to make every person&#039;s vote equal and guarantee that the candidate who gets the most votes in all 50 states becomes President.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to add to the mix, up in Maine, the only other state beside Nebraska to use the district method, Mike Tipping reports on Republicans, also newly in the majority like their counterparts in Pennsylvania. Earlier this year, Republican leaders in Maine proposed and passed a constitutional amendment that, if passed at referendum, will require a 2/3rds vote in all future redistricting decisions. Now they want to pass a majority-only plan.</p>
<p>Dividing Pennsylvania&#8217;s electoral votes by district would magnify the worst features of the system and not reflect the diversity of Pennsylvania.</p>
<p>The district approach would provide less incentive for presidential candidates to campaign in all Pennsylvania districts and would not focus the candidates&#8217; attention to issues of concern to the whole state. Candidates would have no reason to campaign in districts where they are comfortably ahead or hopelessly behind.</p>
<p>Due to gerrymandering, in 2008, only 4 Pennsylvania districts were competitive.</p>
<p>When votes matter, presidential candidates vigorously solicit those voters. When votes don&#8217;t matter, they ignore those areas.</p>
<p>In Maine, where they award electoral votes by congressional district, the closely divided 2nd congressional district received campaign events in 2008 (whereas Maine&#8217;s 1st reliably Democratic district was ignored)</p>
<p>In Nebraska, which also uses the district method, the 2008 presidential campaigns did not pay the slightest attention to the people of Nebraska&#8217;s reliably Republican 1st and 3rd congressional districts because it was a foregone conclusion that McCain would win the most popular votes in both of those districts. The issues relevant to voters of the 2nd district (the Omaha area) mattered, while the (very different) issues relevant to the remaining (mostly rural) 2/3rds of the state were irrelevant.</p>
<p>When votes matter, presidential candidates vigorously solicit those voters. When votes don&#8217;t matter, they ignore those areas.</p>
<p>Nationwide, there are only 55 &#8220;battleground&#8221; districts that are competitive in presidential elections. 88% of the nation&#8217;s congressional districts would be ignored if a district-level winner-take-all system were used nationally.</p>
<p>If the district approach were used nationally, it would be less fair and less accurately reflect the will of the people than the current system. In 2004, Bush won 50.7% of the popular vote, but 59% of the districts. Although Bush lost the national popular vote in 2000, he won 55% of the country&#8217;s congressional districts.</p>
<p>Awarding electoral votes by congressional district could result in third party candidates winning electoral votes that would deny either major party candidate the necessary majority vote of electors and throw the process into Congress to decide.</p>
<p>Because there are generally more close votes on district levels than states as whole, district elections increase the opportunity for error. The larger the voting base, the less opportunity there is for an especially close vote.</p>
<p>Also, a second-place candidate could still win the White House without winning the national popular vote.</p>
<p>A national popular vote is the way to make every person&#8217;s vote equal and guarantee that the candidate who gets the most votes in all 50 states becomes President.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/123028/barack-obama-and-america%e2%80%99s-pretzel-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-286030</link>
		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;The Obama administration often seems like a bunch of college students cramming at the very last minute for a final exam.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Good analogy Joe. (or is is a simile? I can&#039;t remember) An apt description in any case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The Obama administration often seems like a bunch of college students cramming at the very last minute for a final exam.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Good analogy Joe. (or is is a simile? I can&#8217;t remember) An apt description in any case.</p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/123028/barack-obama-and-america%e2%80%99s-pretzel-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-286029</link>
		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But Republicans have been exploiting their 2010 wins of governorships and legislatures at break-neck pace&quot;

Sort of like shoving through one of the factually largest (and subsequently most ill-received) appropriations in Congressional history on January 28,2009.

As for Obama&#039;s poll numbers, you do realize his re-election chances would be maximized if he gave speeches but actually did nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But Republicans have been exploiting their 2010 wins of governorships and legislatures at break-neck pace&#8221;</p>
<p>Sort of like shoving through one of the factually largest (and subsequently most ill-received) appropriations in Congressional history on January 28,2009.</p>
<p>As for Obama&#8217;s poll numbers, you do realize his re-election chances would be maximized if he gave speeches but actually did nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: ProfElwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProfElwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s funny that you would mention pretzels at a time when the Fed is pondering &quot;operation twist&quot;.

According to a variety of polls, the president&#039;s approval has improved since the speech, but by way too little. He had an opportunity to make some good administrative changes when he first took office, which is what a lot of people were looking for, but he blew it. There&#039;s not much he can do to change that now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny that you would mention pretzels at a time when the Fed is pondering &#8220;operation twist&#8221;.</p>
<p>According to a variety of polls, the president&#8217;s approval has improved since the speech, but by way too little. He had an opportunity to make some good administrative changes when he first took office, which is what a lot of people were looking for, but he blew it. There&#8217;s not much he can do to change that now.</p>
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