Giuliani’s Lead Shrinks
Bad news for Rudy Giuliani: his lead in the polls is shrinking quite dramatically. The main cause seems to be… (growing) support for Fred Thompson – who still has to announce his candidacy. Where, in February, “44 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents preferred” him for the nomination, “that figure is [now] down to 33 percent.”
McCain, meanwhile, holds steady at 21 percent, Fred Thompson “ran third in this poll, with 9 percent, tying him with former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney.”
Romney, in other words, is rising in the polls. To be frank, I find it surprising that his numbers are still, relatively, low. Romney is a terrific CEO, became Republican Governor of a Blue state and handled himself well. He saved the Olympic Games in Salt Lake City, which made him popular among quite some people (and gave him experience useful for a presidential candidate, to say the least).
Romney is, in my opinion, a good candidate. Better than most.
Support for him rising, and I am sure that it will continue to rise.
That being said, he has one major problem: 44% said they would definitely not vote for him.
44%.
Considering his resumé on the one hand, and the fact that most people don’t know much about him on the other, leads me to believe that these individuals have a problem with Romney… because of his faith. That, I have to say, is something I find quite appalling. He is a Mormon: so what?
McCain has a major problem as well in this regard: where he was first popular among Republican leaning independents and, yes, even among Democrats, that has now changed: 47 percent of those asked said that they would definitely not vote for him.
This means that McCain is now a more-polarizing figure than Hillary Clinton: 45% of Americans said that they would definitely not vote for her.
Talking about Hillary Clinton: as said, she still – easily – leads the pack in the polls. Her numbers remain the same: 37 percent (against 36% in February) of Democratic voters say they intend to vote for the former First Lady. Barack Obama is falling behind with 20% – down from 24%. Al Gore – who has not announced his candidacy yet – received the support of 17% of Democratic (leaning) voters. John Edwards is in fourth place with 14%.
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Romney’s great contribution to Massachussetts was universal health care. It was a great success, but involved a fee charged to businesses who did not provide a healthcare program to their employees. That type of achievement does not play well in conservative circles. Also many have a problem with the liberal stances that Romney took prior to his gubernatorial run, which he is now rejecting or altering for his presidential run.
Yes, Michael, one would think Romney would be seen as the most classically conservative of the so-called more-in-front-runners, yet he has failed to light much of a fire. And he has articulated positions on a far wider range of topics moreso than the GMan or McCain. So, is it his LDS religion or his perceived “more-latter-day” conservatism (bad pun intended) or he just doesn’t “connect” for some reason?
Not sure myself what’s in store for his polling numbers.
Nonetheless, for that same “hard to put your finger on it” subjective feeling, I think a Fred Thompson announcement will eclipse him quickly.
What’s remarkable is the percentage that McCain manages to hold. (Maybe it’s related to the phenomenon the lefties have already mentioned, with what they believe is justified snideness, the fraction of people still fully supportive of President Bush. I must say, snideness toward McCain’s support and supporters is appropriate.)
K. Ritter wrote:
> Romney’s great contribution
> to Massachussetts was
> universal health care.
Well, most significant achievement, at least.
He’s a RINO and doesn’t fool most people when he pretends to be more conservative than he is.
What’s sad is that right now (particularly in the media, with their obvious bias) the GOP race is being presented as essentially two people who may win the nomination, Giuliani and Romney. (Either of these oft-liberal Northeastern core-of-Cyanide-Nation politicians is preferable to liberal journalists than anyone who would not be as liberal or from as liberal a location.)
And what’s sad is that either of them is Democrat Lite and we can say hello to President Clinton almost certainly, as a result. (Swing voters will reject the light liberal for the real thing.)
> Yes, Michael, one would
> think Romney would be
> seen as the most classically
> conservative of the so-called
> more-in-front-runners,
??? By whom, the blind?
> yet he has failed to light
> much of a fire.
And if you’ve noticed, Giuliani really hasn’t, either.
My context for the comparison is Giuliani and McCain, not Huckabee, Brownback or Tancredo.
And yes, the Rude-ster fails the far right litmus tests on abortion and gays right our the door, so of course, no big grassroots swell for him….ever.
So, for the primary season, I believe his numbers have basically peaked.
Of course, for all the baggage the Republicans carry into this election, I am still amazed by the general election head-to-head polls. Shrillary and Obama ought to be cleaning clocks, but they’re not.
Of course, for all the baggage the Republicans carry into this election, I am still amazed by the general election head-to-head polls. Shrillary and Obama ought to be cleaning clocks, but they’re not.
CO that is because the democrats have NO message. Zero, Zip, Nada. They have not had a message since LBJ retired.
Remember Clinton’s message. “Its the economy Stupid.” Well if thats the case the economy is awesome and Americans really do understand that. This left wing dementia is short lived. Eventually they will have to put up or shut up.
Now if they put up they might put up a fight but they have instead banked on the stupid voters routine.
Shouting “Bush Lied” 300 trillion times a day and hope the public will buy it for the next 2 years or at least until the 2008 election.
The Casual Observer said:
> Of course, for all the baggage
> the Republicans carry into this
> election, I am still amazed by
> the general election head-to-
> head polls. Shrillary and Obama
> ought to be cleaning clocks,
> but they’re not.
Well, the Dims have a decades-old toxic waste baggage set of their own, after all. And we know Hillary will lurch back farther to the left after she’s elected, and Obama is merely a lightweight that the kiddie voters adore simply because of his looks, nice voice, and minority status.
By the way, I’ll interject something else here about people who should be Democrats, and specifically someone else with an ego problem (hint) in the Northeast that goes out of his way to make trouble for the Bush administration. No, not Chafee, not Snowe, not Collins, not those should-be Democrats. McCain’s VP choice should be Arlen Specter!
> Shouting “Bush Lied� 300
> trillion times a day and hope
> the public will buy it for the
> next 2 years or at least until
> the 2008 election.
“Bush Lied, Bush is a Terrorist, Bush is a War Criminal”: Far-left BS like that is immediately disqualifying among American voters of any quality.
Negative, defensive BS coupled with no coherent plan or program to offer Americans is all the Democrats have (and don’t have) currently. “We’re not Bush!” Well, what are you?
The Bush Lied Screams worked for the 2006 election. They won. Now they have to put up.
What the left is trully failing to grasp is that about 80 percent of this country voted for war. Then it didnt do so good and now they voted to change directions. But the democrats direction is to get out of Iraq. Come home and then what?
Whats the plan? These 80 percent really do want to know and by Gawd if they can’t come up with something sane then they will be sitting on the sidelines again screaming
Bu..bu..bu but Bush Lied!???? Didn’t he?
The Democrats think in their smugness they have a slam dunk. They do not. Someone like Fred Thompson can come out of nowhere and charm the pants right off those 80 percent that voted for war.
The voters in this country are not stupid and if this Bush Lied Bullshit keeps up your gonna get exactly what you reap.
Hillary Lied!! Obama Lied!! They let us down. Just like Sure victories for Al Gore and John Kerry turned into defeat because they did not have a message.
Well the message were not Bush and Bush lied was good for ONE count it ONE election. That election is over.
So whats the plan? Huh?
Nobody,
> The Bush Lied Screams
> worked for the 2006 election.
Nobody I know took that stuff seriously. There was widespread dissatisfaction with things in Iraq plus the GOP in Washington suffered some exposure of corruption, while not doing anything serious to reduce Big Government [tm].
> What the left is trully failing
> to grasp is that about 80
> percent of this country voted
> for war.
Even the opponents normally believed Hussein had WMDs and would use them (a reason they didn’t want us to go to war), given that he’d had them, used them already, and was continuing to lie to and play games with the rest of the world.
> Then it didnt do so good and
> now they voted to change directions.
Exactly, and to pass a no-confidence vote on the GOP and its current behavior.
> The Democrats think in their
> smugness they have a slam dunk. They do not.
They had a slam dunk in 2000 pretty much all the way up to the debates, then proceeded to lose it! (Losing the debates was what gave the public the surprise of the year — “Hey, Bush won, and might have a chance to win the election, after all!”) They then proceeded to lose the election. Bush was in no way doomed in 2004 the way Clinton was in 1996 (despite what the radical Left may believe), and there was no way Kerry could have beaten Bush. (The GOP could have beaten Clinton but chose to forfeit by selecting Bob Dole as the challenger.)
> So whats the plan? Huh?
Like the huge press conference with Al Gore about the plan to save the northwestern forests…Were we given the details of the plan as we’d been led to believe, during the media-hyped press conference. No. Item after item: “It’s in the plan.” WHAT plan? [speaking slowly so it's easier to be understood] Tell us what’s IN the plan.
So far the Dimmies are less substantial than Lamar Alexander and his “new ideas” that he never explained to anybody. Take notes, Dimmes.
Cheer up, Dems! Your “ignorance vote advantage” bloc remains alive and well to exploit. And maybe you should start paying for political ads at movie theaters as well as on teevee show commercials (and embed them within the movies and shows themselves):
“Republicans and Democrats are equally likely to be represented in the high-knowledge group. But significantly fewer Republicans (26%) than Democrats (31%) fall into the third of the public that knows the least.”
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=319
So, who are Rudy Giuliani’s primary psychiatrists?
DLS- If Republicans know so much, why did they elect the current idiot-in-chief twice?
Kritter thats easy. Bush had a plan. The economy is booming. I just looked up the statistics on poverty and its basically Unchanged since Clinton was in the White House. And in fact the poverty rate under Clinton for his first 5 years is higher then it was under Bush’s first 5 years in office.
Inflation is 2.5 percent. Unemployment is at historical Lows. Participation rates are at all time Historical highs. Congress just passed a minimum wage hike. Housing starts are back up, Interest rates just fell today. The fence along the border is being built. My nephew has been in on the actual building of it south of San Diego. The USA has not been attacked. The republicans did not pass any anti gay legislation. George Bush did not make you convert to Fanatical Christianity.
The budget deficit is shrinking faster then anyone dreamed. So quickly in fact that even the democrats have stopped griping about it.
But:
Gore said we need a “Lock box”
Kerry said “I know George Bush and Im Not Bush.”
I just keep asking what it is and I just get “Bush Lied. or Idiot-in-chief in response.
So what do the democrats give us?
The department of Peace and Non Violence.
I’m not a Republican, though center-right (I cook my meat rather than eat it raw), but I’ll answer this:
Q:
> If Republicans know so much,
> why did they elect the current
> idiot-in-chief twice?
A:
The Dim candidates were worse.
If it makes you feel better, 2006 was about the GOP as well as Bush and his administration and the effort in Iraq.
The PDF with the Pew report gives you and the other people here who want to know more, more to know.
Satisfied or not with how things are currently in the USA:
October, 30% satisfied, 63% dissatisfied, 7% don’t know.
February, 30% satisfied, 61% dissatisfied, 9% don’t know.
Approval of Bush’s job as president:
October, 37 approve, 53 disapprove, 10 don’t know.
February, 33 approve, 57 disapprove, 10 don’t know.
War against Iraq: Right or wrong?
October, 43% right, 47% wrong, 10% don’t know.
February, 39% right, 50% wrong, 11% don’t know.
Who is the Vice President of this country?
Nov 2001 67% Cheney, 7% someone else, 26% Huh?
May 2005 61% Cheney, 4% someone else, 35% Huh?
February 69% Cheney, 2% someone else, 29% Huh?
> The republicans did not
> pass any anti gay legislation.
> George Bush did not make
> you convert to Fanatical
> Christianity.
nor force you to carry a firearm *grin*
In case Bush haters haven’t realized it:
Do we have a “marriage protection amendment” to the US Constitution?
No.
Do we have an amendment to ban or restrict abortion, or an amendment defining Americans as citizens from the moment of conception?
No.
Do we have a flag burning prohibition amendment?
No.
Did we pass the following proposed amendment to change our Preamble, just for appearance’s sake?
“We, the people of the United States, humbly acknowledging Almighty God as the source of all authority and power in civil government, the Lord Jesus Christ as the Ruler among the nations, his revealed will as the supreme law of the land, in order to constitute a Christian government, and in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the inalienable rights and the blessings of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to ourselves, our posterity, and all the people, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
No.
Do we have an English-language-only amendment?
No.
Has the border with Mexico been sealed?
No.
Has the Civil Rights Act been repealed?
No. …
Nobody said:
> So what do the democrats
> give us?
>
> The department of Peace
> and Non Violence.
That’s the fringe stuff. The main thing is that the Dimmies are, up to now, saying only “We’re not Bush, we have a different, better way” without really doing anything better, or much at all. Saying “Bush is wrong” doesn’t count, and holding hearings about the Bush administration’s follies in the Justice Department does not constitute domestic policy.
“Negative, defensive” (as with Canada vs. the USA and Quebec vs. “English” and the ROC, and with France often against the USA geopolitically) is all the Dims are right now in how they define themselves — “We’re not Bush, we’re not the GOP.” They criticize Bush, they work to undermine him abroad with the silly trip to the Middle East, but they have not offered us a real alternative. Is the best they can do right now just to hope for a repetition of 2006 in 2008 based on how public opinion has been since 2006?
I know DLS. I call it the 4M’s now.
Michael Moore Mindless Minions.
But have no fear we have NANNY Pelosi in charge.
She will comfortably take control of the Nanny State and tell us all what social programs are best for us. Her Minions will mindlessly go forth spewing drivel about how the Republicans want to take away their social rights but only NANNY and company can protect them.
So tell me NANNY whats the plan.
We have a plan
What is it?
You’ll find out.
When?
Not telling?
Why?
Cause you don’t need to know. Now go forth child and scream more lies about how bad those Republicans are and how evil the dictator is so that we can bring about our NANNY state.
Nobody – DLS- Isn’t your behavior as bad as Bush hatred? And remember Gore was right on Iraq and on global warming. Bush is most unpopular pres since Harry Truman, has invaded and destroyed two countries due to arrogance and incompetence, blew federal reaction to Katrina, is hated all over the world where most think he’s worse than OSB, and has increased deficit, inequality, national debt and illegal immigration. Trade policies have resulted in further loss of American jobs overseas. Military is at the breaking point. Has blown our European alliances. Has politicized the Justice Dept by appointing an AG who was his buddy in Texas. Wanted to appt other incompetent Texas crony to SCOTUS. Would probably be up for impeachment, except for the grace of Nancy Pelosi.
OTOH- Gore won Oscar, is famed celebrity and is in line to win a Nobel prize for his contribution to humanity. Won popular vote, and if it wasn’t for W’s daddy’s friends would have won Florida as well- but has gotten over stolen election and is now treated like a rock star wherever he goes. Has even shed a few pounds.
Nobody wrote:
> But have no fear we have
> NANNY Pelosi in charge.
Even though she’ll have to defer to Her Majesty in the White House after 2008
> She will comfortably take control
> of the Nanny State and tell us all
> what social programs are best for
> us. Her Minions will mindlessly go
> forth spewing drivel about how
> the Republicans want to take away
> their social rights
That typically are not rights at all, while in the meantime, what happens to business?
> but only NANNY and company
> can protect them.
I don’t know what’s worse, her or Hillary’s “We know best” stuff, or the dreck I heard from Gore once about how “We have learned our lesson about Big Government [these are the New Democrats, "centrists," mind you]. We don’t want government to be your parents, telling you want to do. We know government should be your grandparents, protecting and NURTURING you…” I retched when I heard him say that. Yeah, right — place a velvet glove on the iron fist.
Gore is a good man. I would not have minded him being President.
But there you go again Kritter. You cannot come up with even a smidgeon of a plan. Instead you run off this long list of “WHY I HATE BUSH.”
The 4M’s in action
Now if you started coming up with alternative plans then we would have something to discuss. But I do not share your views on Bush. I do not happen to care much for him as a leader because he is too arrogant.
But I guess that whenever a certain political segment of this country starts screaming
HEIR BUSH
OBERFUHERER BUSH
CHIMPEROR IN CHIEF
IDIOT-JN-CHIEF
SCHRUB
NAZI
FASCIST
And on an on an on.
I’d stop including you in any useful dialogue as well and end up appearing too arrogant.
What is indeed the democrats plan for the war on terror. For anytthing?
OTOH- Gore won Oscar, is famed celebrity and is in line to win a Nobel prize for his contribution to humanity. Won popular vote, and if it wasn’t for W’s daddy’s friends would have won Florida as well- but has gotten over stolen election and is now treated like a rock star wherever he goes. Has even shed a few pounds.
Won an Oscar. Im rolling on the floor here. Thats like saying Heston won a Medal from the NRA. But good for him. I like Gore. Yeah and Nixon should have been president instead of Kennedy had it not been for Kennedy’s buddies in Chicago, but we got over that. I doubt the far left will ever get over any Republican ever elected to any position ever in the USA again.
Like I said in another post. The Hate Bush Syndrome is really about the 2000 election. They just use the war on terror as an excuse to keep it going.
However that still does not tell me what is the plan? On anything?
K. Ritter said:
> Isn’t your behavior as
> bad as Bush hatred?
No.
> And remember Gore was
> right on Iraq and on global
> warming.
Global warming? [Burying face in hands]
> Bush … is hated all over the
> world where most think he’s
> worse than OSB
He’s hated by enemies of the West as well as by the predictable people (best named recently by Nobody) within the West. What he’s done wrong constitutes a discernible signal, but it’s overwhelmed by needless, pathological noise.
> Gore won Oscar, is famed
> celebrity and is in line to
> win a Nobel prize for his
> contribution to humanity.
Pfft! Gore is simply a darling of the Left who is now doing Hollyweird-style “social consciousness” BS (there actually are schools that want children to watch Gore’s movie, i.e., deliberate politicization of the schools, in the predictable way). The Nobel committee has been blatantly leftist in the past (even gave Jimmy Carter a prize to deliberately insult Bush) and it’s simply more silliness if Gore gets a prize as well. The only thing missing is some ceremony and honor award by the UN General Assembly.
> stolen election
*** WRONG *** The Dems tried, but they failed!
Nobody wrote:
> I call it the 4M’s now.
> Michael Moore Mindless Minions.
Those are the ones with whom it’s easy to skewer the Democratic Party even though many of such people find the Dems to be too moderate (and, despite their obstructionism and frequent attacks on said President) way too soft and easy on Bush. They also may vote Green or New Party, etc. rather than for the “GOP Lite” Democrats, other than for Kucinich. They and people less left then they are the ones being told by the likes of Al From that they won’t be leaders in the Democratic Party. (For every vote they gain, they lose many more, that’s proabably why not.)
Most people on here (including K) don’t appear to be the far left type, but more ordinary liberals (often calling themselves “moderates” or “centrists,” as we see here).
> Bush. I do not happen to care
> much for him as a leader because
> he is too arrogant.
The ineptitude bothers me. I had no problem with his bringing Cheney into the inner circle; the VP should be a strong position (actually, our #1 domestic policy person, the equivalent of First Officer on a ship [or the co-pilot]). But he relies too much on others, Rove has too much control or outright power (the executive branch equivalent of the Congressional staff members we never hear about but have far too much power than they ever should be able to have), and I believe the account of O’Neill about meetings where Bush was often just told what he wanted to hear. (O’Neill said that Nixon, on the other hand, had lots of questions for people at meetings and was very tough on anyone who had not done their [own] homework.)
The secrecy I can understand to some extent given the enmity of the liberal media (a Kremlin makes sense when those outside really are Mongols), but the secrecy is excessive and the deliberate confrontational attitude (is this part of the arrogance you identify?) to me by a weak administration in particular, now, makes no sense. It just will cost the GOP votes in 2008. (I believe you’ll see a return to “controlled sacrifices” as a relative damage control policy by these people once the other GOP leaders make it clear enough to the Bush people that they won’t allow themselves to be harmed by association and by events beyond a certain limit.)
Look again at those Pew numbers:
View of USA’s current course,
October, 30% satisfied, 63% dissatisfied, 7% don’t know.
February, 30% satisfied, 61% dissatisfied, 9% don’t know.
View of President Bush:
October, 37% approve, 53% disapprove, 10% don’t know.
February, 33% approve, 57% disapprove, 10% don’t know.
Note to K: Plenty of us are dissatisfied with Bush but we don’t hate him the way the Usual Suspects have since 2000, expressing the worst rabid behavior since the election of Ronald Reagan (and US repudiation of liberalism at that time). WHAT??? A REPUBLICAN elected President (in 1980, in 2000, in 2004)? SCANDALOUS! OUTRAGEOUS! The Left in fact has been reactionary and nasty since 1980.
> The Hate Bush Syndrome
> is really about the 2000 election.
Yes, in the same way the Hate Reagan Syndrome was really about the 1980 election. How DARE a Republican be elected President? (No wonder the Usual Suspects were more anti-US-and-West than usual after both elections. They probably hated the US public in general for having elected Reagan and Bush. The trashy folks abroad? “This proves we are right when we say Americans are an awful people.”)
DLS- yes the left has its Michael Moores but it is nothing like the left in the ’60′s-much less violent and virulent. Remember the SDS, the Black Panthers,people carrying around Mao’s little red book? The left today simply objects to corporatism in government, and wants the DOJ to stand up for civil rights cases and voter suppression cases. They hate Bush because he made bad -9/11 into worse – Iraq, and because he found it in that conservative compassionate heart of his to waive the 10% copay for FEMA funding in NYC, but not in New Orleans after Katrina. He governs to the base and for the base and has transformed our bureaucracy into “Summer Camp for Young Republicans who Love Jesus.”
And you are right- I am no radical -just a common sense moderate who thinks our elections shouldn’t be a windfall for special interests.
Kritter. Perhaps you are not a radical but your speech here over and over betrays that. Its full of I hate every conceivable thing the right stands for.
Not just Im opposed but I HATE.
He governs to the base and for the base and has transformed our bureaucracy into “Summer Camp for Young Republicans who Love Jesus.�
When or if Hillary is elected is she going to govern to her base? Or is she going to open up her arms and pass legislation banning gay rights because a majority want it? Ban Abortion cause the republicans want it?
Kritter that is really not a well thought out position. All politicians govern to their base. When the going gets tough they fall back on those that support them. Show me one President that didnt do what you are accusing Bush of doing?
Bushs Base is Christian. So he hires Christians. Gee. HOW EVIL OF HIM.
That is just silly and why I stick by my Mindless Minions joke.
Because Kritter you and those here spouting how much they hate Bush can hardly get out a single sentence without interjecting some form of “I hate Bush/Republicans/Neocons. Then smile innocently as you point a finger to the far right and claim they are hate mongers.
They hate Bush because he made bad -9/11 into worse – Iraq, and because
Your words not mine.