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	<title>Comments on: Virginia Tech Protection Needed: As With Columbine Funerals and Memorial Services, Pastor Fred is Coming To Spread His Screed at VT.</title>
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		<title>By: ScottinTennessee</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottinTennessee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristen, you are absolutely correct.  That is from the Book of Matthew you quote.  &quot;. . . .Many will say, &#039;Lord, Lord did we not prophesy in your name?  Did we not cast our demons in your name?  Did we not peform miracles in your name?&#039;  And the Lord will say unto them, &#039;Depart from me you workers of iniquity.  I never knew you.&#039;&quot;  It&#039;s a great lesson.

Right now Westboro has a new music video out called &quot;God Hates the World.&quot;  I would love to hear Shirley Phelps-Roper just recite and explain to me the meaning of John 3:16 based on what they believe.

&quot;For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten son.  That whosoever believes in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life.&quot;

How can you say God hates the world after reading that?  That verse right there couldn&#039;t be more clear, and it should tell people who might be stupid enough to believe what they say that everything that Westboro preaches is a lie.

On a lighter note, has anyone ever noticed the striking resemblance between the &quot;Reverend&quot; Fred Phelps Sr and the character Reverend Kane from Poltergeist?  They could pass a twins!  The similarities go far beyond the fact that both are servants of The Prince of Darkness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristen, you are absolutely correct.  That is from the Book of Matthew you quote.  &#8220;. . . .Many will say, &#8216;Lord, Lord did we not prophesy in your name?  Did we not cast our demons in your name?  Did we not peform miracles in your name?&#8217;  And the Lord will say unto them, &#8216;Depart from me you workers of iniquity.  I never knew you.&#8217;&#8221;  It&#8217;s a great lesson.</p>
<p>Right now Westboro has a new music video out called &#8220;God Hates the World.&#8221;  I would love to hear Shirley Phelps-Roper just recite and explain to me the meaning of John 3:16 based on what they believe.</p>
<p>&#8220;For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten son.  That whosoever believes in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life.&#8221;</p>
<p>How can you say God hates the world after reading that?  That verse right there couldn&#8217;t be more clear, and it should tell people who might be stupid enough to believe what they say that everything that Westboro preaches is a lie.</p>
<p>On a lighter note, has anyone ever noticed the striking resemblance between the &#8220;Reverend&#8221; Fred Phelps Sr and the character Reverend Kane from Poltergeist?  They could pass a twins!  The similarities go far beyond the fact that both are servants of The Prince of Darkness.</p>
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		<title>By: blog claus</title>
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		<dc:creator>blog claus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the phelps rule</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the phelps rule</p>
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		<title>By: Bellhamguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bellhamguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I just want to say that this is quite possibly one of the most evil men I have ever heard of.  And you say they go looking for lawsuits?  Hard to file a lawsuit if you are dead.  I hope the VT kids form an angry mob and do away with every single one of these pathetic excuses for human beings..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I just want to say that this is quite possibly one of the most evil men I have ever heard of.  And you say they go looking for lawsuits?  Hard to file a lawsuit if you are dead.  I hope the VT kids form an angry mob and do away with every single one of these pathetic excuses for human beings..</p>
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		<title>By: tezcupit</title>
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		<dc:creator>tezcupit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a load of scum bags the phelps are. the worst thing is they really believe what they preach. very dangerous people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a load of scum bags the phelps are. the worst thing is they really believe what they preach. very dangerous people.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, sorry, it copied more than I intended..... the good part is at the end</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, sorry, it copied more than I intended&#8230;.. the good part is at the end</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the &quot;good reverend&quot; will understand this:


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YLT: &#039;But, take heed of the false prophets, who come unto you in sheep&#039;s clothing, and inwardly are ravening wolves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the &#8220;good reverend&#8221; will understand this:</p>
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YLT: &#8216;But, take heed of the false prophets, who come unto you in sheep&#8217;s clothing, and inwardly are ravening wolves.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottinTennessee</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottinTennessee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised this group is allowed to proceed with what they do.  The 1st Amendment does protect Freedom of ACCEPTABLE speech, but it does not protect a person&#039;s right to ALL speech.  There is a clause in the amendment which states that &quot;Speech which is deemed obscene is not protected.&quot;  There is no doubt in my mind that the speech Westboro church members use is obscene and not protected by the 1st Amendment.

People shouldn&#039;t be scared of Shirley and her father and all the law degrees they have.  As long as we have that clause in the 1st Amendment and a good &#039;ole homer for a judge, these Westboro freaks don&#039;t have a case.

I applaud Mr. Snyder for pressing a lawsuit against Westboro for defamation of character on their son and emotional destress.  His son was killed in Iraq and Westboro members were there to protest.  They said things that were so vile and dispicable, you wouldn&#039;t want your children to hear it.  It was obscene speech.  Snyder absolutely has a case against Westboro and that hag-witch Shirley Phelps-Roper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised this group is allowed to proceed with what they do.  The 1st Amendment does protect Freedom of ACCEPTABLE speech, but it does not protect a person&#8217;s right to ALL speech.  There is a clause in the amendment which states that &#8220;Speech which is deemed obscene is not protected.&#8221;  There is no doubt in my mind that the speech Westboro church members use is obscene and not protected by the 1st Amendment.</p>
<p>People shouldn&#8217;t be scared of Shirley and her father and all the law degrees they have.  As long as we have that clause in the 1st Amendment and a good &#8216;ole homer for a judge, these Westboro freaks don&#8217;t have a case.</p>
<p>I applaud Mr. Snyder for pressing a lawsuit against Westboro for defamation of character on their son and emotional destress.  His son was killed in Iraq and Westboro members were there to protest.  They said things that were so vile and dispicable, you wouldn&#8217;t want your children to hear it.  It was obscene speech.  Snyder absolutely has a case against Westboro and that hag-witch Shirley Phelps-Roper.</p>
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		<title>By: loganfromelkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>loganfromelkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lisa i live 45 minutes away,and when i heard that the hatefull degenerates were coming to protest the funerals and memorial services,my blood boiled.i know people who have either worked there,or still do.but then i read the horrible things they said about those 13 men,and about this great
state,i was very surprised that there was no serious problems.

these people will eventually find out that the freedom of speech comes with a heavy price.eventually,they will picket,or provoke the wrong people
and no lawsuit,no amount of money or publicty will will save them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lisa i live 45 minutes away,and when i heard that the hatefull degenerates were coming to protest the funerals and memorial services,my blood boiled.i know people who have either worked there,or still do.but then i read the horrible things they said about those 13 men,and about this great<br />
state,i was very surprised that there was no serious problems.</p>
<p>these people will eventually find out that the freedom of speech comes with a heavy price.eventually,they will picket,or provoke the wrong people<br />
and no lawsuit,no amount of money or publicty will will save them.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in the town where the Sago Mine explosion occurred and 13 people were killed, and as if it wasn&#039;t hard enough on our town, this abominable group came with their signs and their message of hate.  Everyone&#039;s first reaction was to get even or not let them leave unharmed, but then we were informed that that is exactly what they want.  They travel to these things for publicity, and in the hope that they can find a good lawsuit.  Don&#039;t give them the satisfaction.  They want to cause an uproar.  The best thing to do is ignore them, and realize that they will too someday face the judgement of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in the town where the Sago Mine explosion occurred and 13 people were killed, and as if it wasn&#8217;t hard enough on our town, this abominable group came with their signs and their message of hate.  Everyone&#8217;s first reaction was to get even or not let them leave unharmed, but then we were informed that that is exactly what they want.  They travel to these things for publicity, and in the hope that they can find a good lawsuit.  Don&#8217;t give them the satisfaction.  They want to cause an uproar.  The best thing to do is ignore them, and realize that they will too someday face the judgement of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.e</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr.e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dee, it is true, some use pieces of whichever holy writing to undergird their ill-formed ideas. There are so many different writers to each book of world holy writings who teach how to live in love, how to forbear, how to try to do no harm... bars to strive toward, and perhaps as importantly, leave people the time to create and make and join and learn rather than wasting all their time in war. 

There are in psychology what we call character and personality disorders that see nothing but evil even when they look at innocent beauty. Such persons are in a 24/7 walking delusion of inflation about their fantasies about how life is and how it ought to be. 

Sunny: no doubt there are men and women who you could get to know and be friends with who would be happy to put you on the catbird seat on the back of their bikes... it never hurts to ask if that&#039;s your heart&#039;s desire. The bikers I know are good, brave and stalwart souls. 

ScottinTennessee, yes,  there is farther up a notation about a website that watches &#039;cults&#039; and there is an interesting letter o the web from one of Fred&#039;s sons who left the group..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dee, it is true, some use pieces of whichever holy writing to undergird their ill-formed ideas. There are so many different writers to each book of world holy writings who teach how to live in love, how to forbear, how to try to do no harm&#8230; bars to strive toward, and perhaps as importantly, leave people the time to create and make and join and learn rather than wasting all their time in war. </p>
<p>There are in psychology what we call character and personality disorders that see nothing but evil even when they look at innocent beauty. Such persons are in a 24/7 walking delusion of inflation about their fantasies about how life is and how it ought to be. </p>
<p>Sunny: no doubt there are men and women who you could get to know and be friends with who would be happy to put you on the catbird seat on the back of their bikes&#8230; it never hurts to ask if that&#8217;s your heart&#8217;s desire. The bikers I know are good, brave and stalwart souls. </p>
<p>ScottinTennessee, yes,  there is farther up a notation about a website that watches &#8216;cults&#8217; and there is an interesting letter o the web from one of Fred&#8217;s sons who left the group..</p>
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		<title>By: ScottinTennessee</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottinTennessee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I shouldn&#039;t put the entire Phelps clan with Fred&#039;s lot.  He regularly beat his wife and kids according to the Innocent Report from the Southern Poverty Law Center.  Fred used violence against them to make them fear him and obey his beliefs.  I often wonder if the church will disban should Fred die.  I wonder if Shirley Phelps-Roper and Margie would stop their crusade of hate if they no longer felt trapped at the hands of their evil father.  Maybe.  Maybe not.  I will say this.  Three of the Phelps children do not follow their father&#039;s path as one other person mentioned.  Nathan left the Phelps Complex at the stroke of midnight on his 18th birthday and never returned.  His brother Johnathan and sister Dortha Bird also left their family behind.

So right now Fred just has his wife and 10 of his kids working on his side.  They are under a HateWatch and listed as a hate organization by the SPLC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I shouldn&#8217;t put the entire Phelps clan with Fred&#8217;s lot.  He regularly beat his wife and kids according to the Innocent Report from the Southern Poverty Law Center.  Fred used violence against them to make them fear him and obey his beliefs.  I often wonder if the church will disban should Fred die.  I wonder if Shirley Phelps-Roper and Margie would stop their crusade of hate if they no longer felt trapped at the hands of their evil father.  Maybe.  Maybe not.  I will say this.  Three of the Phelps children do not follow their father&#8217;s path as one other person mentioned.  Nathan left the Phelps Complex at the stroke of midnight on his 18th birthday and never returned.  His brother Johnathan and sister Dortha Bird also left their family behind.</p>
<p>So right now Fred just has his wife and 10 of his kids working on his side.  They are under a HateWatch and listed as a hate organization by the SPLC.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This  man  &amp; his family of followers are vile, evil,  disgusting hate mongers. They were in NH for a fallen soldier&#039;s funeral earlier this week and I pray to God  they NEVER set foot in my state again.  Regardless of your personal feelings of the war, it  is horrible to add to a grieving family&#039;s burden. And, to tell everyone who speaks against them that they&#039;re going to hell  is ridiculous. Makes me wish I had a bike &amp; could ride with you all. In  NH, one  man, stood silently before them with his  American flag as his form  of protest against them and many others came to stand with him. God Bless America! Ride well people - God is definitely with you bikers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This  man  &amp; his family of followers are vile, evil,  disgusting hate mongers. They were in NH for a fallen soldier&#8217;s funeral earlier this week and I pray to God  they NEVER set foot in my state again.  Regardless of your personal feelings of the war, it  is horrible to add to a grieving family&#8217;s burden. And, to tell everyone who speaks against them that they&#8217;re going to hell  is ridiculous. Makes me wish I had a bike &amp; could ride with you all. In  NH, one  man, stood silently before them with his  American flag as his form  of protest against them and many others came to stand with him. God Bless America! Ride well people &#8211; God is definitely with you bikers!</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt; I think someone needs to take Pastor Fred out.This is bullshit.He needs to read the whole bible,not just parts of it.GO BIKERS.FUCK YOU PASTOR FRED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong> I think someone needs to take Pastor Fred out.This is bullshit.He needs to read the whole bible,not just parts of it.GO BIKERS.FUCK YOU PASTOR FRED.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Dr.e</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr.e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>richard L.Wagner and Dusty... I think I understand your ideas; there&#039;s often such an immediate impulse, to return physical pain to such a provocateur who delivers unwarranted pain to innocent others in heartache and by hammering their spirits. 

Yet, I also understand that impulse to just sort of &#039;squish&#039; an unjust harasser as one that men and women feel when they have a heightened sense of fairness. And the latter is a very good and needed compass to carry in our present culture. And that&#039;s how I hear the subtext of what you wrote.... 

One of the toughest things, I think, is to understand why such ill people are sometimes allowed more&#039; rights&#039; than decent people.

But also, &#039;in the cold comfort&#039; category, but also the category of &#039;life&#039;s meanings,&#039; sometimes people like Pastor Fred and clan make many persons who were somewhat inactive all the more resolute and more active in defense of the defenseless, a side effect of Pastor Fred&#039;s intrusiveness that I feel certain displeases the Pastor greatly

... but which I personally find one of the most honorable behaviors in men and women... recognizing the need for and moving to protect innocent others in effective ways that show above ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>richard L.Wagner and Dusty&#8230; I think I understand your ideas; there&#8217;s often such an immediate impulse, to return physical pain to such a provocateur who delivers unwarranted pain to innocent others in heartache and by hammering their spirits. </p>
<p>Yet, I also understand that impulse to just sort of &#8216;squish&#8217; an unjust harasser as one that men and women feel when they have a heightened sense of fairness. And the latter is a very good and needed compass to carry in our present culture. And that&#8217;s how I hear the subtext of what you wrote&#8230;. </p>
<p>One of the toughest things, I think, is to understand why such ill people are sometimes allowed more&#8217; rights&#8217; than decent people.</p>
<p>But also, &#8216;in the cold comfort&#8217; category, but also the category of &#8216;life&#8217;s meanings,&#8217; sometimes people like Pastor Fred and clan make many persons who were somewhat inactive all the more resolute and more active in defense of the defenseless, a side effect of Pastor Fred&#8217;s intrusiveness that I feel certain displeases the Pastor greatly</p>
<p>&#8230; but which I personally find one of the most honorable behaviors in men and women&#8230; recognizing the need for and moving to protect innocent others in effective ways that show above ground.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Dr.e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well thank you ScottinTennessee, you said it all. And thanks for upholding our brother and sister biker brigades that ride steady for decency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well thank you ScottinTennessee, you said it all. And thanks for upholding our brother and sister biker brigades that ride steady for decency.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottinTennessee</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottinTennessee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 08:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justed wanted to make something clear too so people don&#039;t think wrong of my intentions.  It is times like these that brings us all together, and we can all despise the Phelps clan together, but they should have NEVER been allowed to being their ministry 52 years ago.  No family for any reason should ever have to suffer the misery brought on by Westboro while laying their loved one&#039;s to rest no matter their race, religion, gender, lifestyle, or anything else.  It should never happen.  It&#039;s immoral and unGodly.

This is why I feel it&#039;s important to push hard behind federal legislation calling for a full-fledged ban on protests at funerals, vigils, and memorial services at any time for any reason.  It&#039;s something that is long overdo.  As long as there is a Westboro Church, there is a need for us to take a stand and remember what we&#039;re fighting for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justed wanted to make something clear too so people don&#8217;t think wrong of my intentions.  It is times like these that brings us all together, and we can all despise the Phelps clan together, but they should have NEVER been allowed to being their ministry 52 years ago.  No family for any reason should ever have to suffer the misery brought on by Westboro while laying their loved one&#8217;s to rest no matter their race, religion, gender, lifestyle, or anything else.  It should never happen.  It&#8217;s immoral and unGodly.</p>
<p>This is why I feel it&#8217;s important to push hard behind federal legislation calling for a full-fledged ban on protests at funerals, vigils, and memorial services at any time for any reason.  It&#8217;s something that is long overdo.  As long as there is a Westboro Church, there is a need for us to take a stand and remember what we&#8217;re fighting for.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottinTennessee</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottinTennessee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 08:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have followed this group for several years.  In fact, I was at the funeral of a soldier killed in Afghanistan by an IED (Improvided Explosive Devices) also known as &quot;car bombs&quot; that was held here in my home county just yesteday where the Phelps clan was SUPPOSED to appear.  It was my understanding that our local law-enforcement stopped them at the interstate exit and told them they were not allowed in our county.  They traveled over 1,500 miles from Topeka (with gas as high as $2.70 a gallon) to make a scene and they were shown the door just as soon as they arrived.  The soldier&#039;s funeral went by wonderfully and solemnly as it should have.

Westboro Church consists of about 75-100 members.  They are no larger and will get no larger.  We can at least take heart in knowing that when every last Phelps is dead, their church will disappear.  When you preach a ministry of hate, no one wants to be a part of that.  It is a shame that Fred Waldon Phelps Sr was able to brainwash his wife and 13 children to follow him in his apostate ways.

Fred has a law degree, but has been disbarred from practicing.  11 of his 13 children do have law degrees and among one of them is a very loud and obnoxious mouthpiece for her cancer-ridden father, Shirley Phelps-Roper.  She even has her own letter column at their website at GodHatesFags.com but don&#039;t bother writing her.  She&#039;s a sadistic evil woman and only replies to what she wants to here instead of the TRUTH.  The Phelps children flash their law degrees around to scare people from filing lawsuits against them for their actions.

This man&#039;s church doesn&#039;t just target the funerals of fallen soldiers.  They target the victims&#039; families of disasters such as Columbine, the Oklahoma City Bombings, the tornados over Texas and Arkansas a year or so ago, September 11th, and Hurricane Katrina.  These people are truly sick.  What they said about Katrina victims was so vile and so not of God that I&#039;m not even going to repeat it here.  It&#039;s disgusting.  Everything that comes out of their mouths is filth.  When they go to protest, they won&#039;t even use appropriate language.  Their website should tell you that.  There&#039;s other cleaner words to describe two people of the same sex who like each other, but this group chooses to use the worst they could find.

Fred cusses in his sermons.  He used langauge about the death of Pope John Paul II that was so filthy it would make a U.S. Marine look a fluffy teddy bear.

August 20, 1995 will be a date that remains a significant day in the history of Westboro and one you should become knowledgeable of.  It was supposedly the event that took place on that day that sparked their evil hearts to begin their crusade of madness to protest the funerals of our war fallen soldiers, but I seriously doubt that had the event not taken place that it would&#039;ve stopped them.  At around 3am on August 20, 1995 Westboro&#039;s church was car-bombed.  No one was killed and damage wasn&#039;t exactly major.  To this day, they have not found the people responsible, and it wouldn&#039;t necessarily break my heart if they never did.  You can bet that the authorities are taking their time on that case.

These people just want attention.  They want to be seen.  They want to be heard.  They lust for fame and noteriety.  They are a pre-destinationalist believing church that preaches that everyone in the world except for members of their church are going to Hell and there&#039;s no other way to reverse it.  They can be as vile as they want and they go to Heaven, and everyone else can be as good as they want and are still going to Hell.

So when they are on these missions of insanity with their protests, I often find myself asking myself &quot;Why are they here?  According to them we&#039;re going to Hell anyways so they&#039;re just preaching to the damned.  If we be damned, then we&#039;ll go about our lives and be damned.&quot;  They&#039;re not at these protests to save souls.  They are there to be seen, a disturbance, an annoying pest that needs to be squashed.

I would like to encourage you all to visit the website of Westboro&#039;s biggest opponent, The Patriot Guard Riders, at http://www.patriotguard.org.  This is a bikers organization that attends the funerals of those that have fallen in wars or to disasters and shields the mourners from protest organizations like Westboro.  Anytime Fred or his loud-mouth wife or daughter try to get behind their bullhorns with their protests, they are quickly silenced by the humming of many Hogs and other bikes.  They were in Tennessee yesterday at the funeral I attended.  You don&#039;t have to own a motorbike to join, and your support for what they do is greatly appreciated.  I enrolled with them yesterday.  They have thousands of supporters from all across the country where Westboro is clearly outnumbered.

Just remember, Westboro is a sick organization that follows the work of Satan.  They are not Christians nor do they represent a Christian worship.  For the victims at Virginia Tech, take heart.  Remember the 23rd Chapter of Psalms.  God has prepared the Virginia Tech victims a table in the presence of their enemies.  They have eternal peace with God now, and that Topeka, KS church will continue to rant and rave with uncontrollable anger and frustration totally out of reach of the vicitims who sit with the other sheep on the right hand of the Lord Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have followed this group for several years.  In fact, I was at the funeral of a soldier killed in Afghanistan by an IED (Improvided Explosive Devices) also known as &#8220;car bombs&#8221; that was held here in my home county just yesteday where the Phelps clan was SUPPOSED to appear.  It was my understanding that our local law-enforcement stopped them at the interstate exit and told them they were not allowed in our county.  They traveled over 1,500 miles from Topeka (with gas as high as $2.70 a gallon) to make a scene and they were shown the door just as soon as they arrived.  The soldier&#8217;s funeral went by wonderfully and solemnly as it should have.</p>
<p>Westboro Church consists of about 75-100 members.  They are no larger and will get no larger.  We can at least take heart in knowing that when every last Phelps is dead, their church will disappear.  When you preach a ministry of hate, no one wants to be a part of that.  It is a shame that Fred Waldon Phelps Sr was able to brainwash his wife and 13 children to follow him in his apostate ways.</p>
<p>Fred has a law degree, but has been disbarred from practicing.  11 of his 13 children do have law degrees and among one of them is a very loud and obnoxious mouthpiece for her cancer-ridden father, Shirley Phelps-Roper.  She even has her own letter column at their website at GodHatesFags.com but don&#8217;t bother writing her.  She&#8217;s a sadistic evil woman and only replies to what she wants to here instead of the TRUTH.  The Phelps children flash their law degrees around to scare people from filing lawsuits against them for their actions.</p>
<p>This man&#8217;s church doesn&#8217;t just target the funerals of fallen soldiers.  They target the victims&#8217; families of disasters such as Columbine, the Oklahoma City Bombings, the tornados over Texas and Arkansas a year or so ago, September 11th, and Hurricane Katrina.  These people are truly sick.  What they said about Katrina victims was so vile and so not of God that I&#8217;m not even going to repeat it here.  It&#8217;s disgusting.  Everything that comes out of their mouths is filth.  When they go to protest, they won&#8217;t even use appropriate language.  Their website should tell you that.  There&#8217;s other cleaner words to describe two people of the same sex who like each other, but this group chooses to use the worst they could find.</p>
<p>Fred cusses in his sermons.  He used langauge about the death of Pope John Paul II that was so filthy it would make a U.S. Marine look a fluffy teddy bear.</p>
<p>August 20, 1995 will be a date that remains a significant day in the history of Westboro and one you should become knowledgeable of.  It was supposedly the event that took place on that day that sparked their evil hearts to begin their crusade of madness to protest the funerals of our war fallen soldiers, but I seriously doubt that had the event not taken place that it would&#8217;ve stopped them.  At around 3am on August 20, 1995 Westboro&#8217;s church was car-bombed.  No one was killed and damage wasn&#8217;t exactly major.  To this day, they have not found the people responsible, and it wouldn&#8217;t necessarily break my heart if they never did.  You can bet that the authorities are taking their time on that case.</p>
<p>These people just want attention.  They want to be seen.  They want to be heard.  They lust for fame and noteriety.  They are a pre-destinationalist believing church that preaches that everyone in the world except for members of their church are going to Hell and there&#8217;s no other way to reverse it.  They can be as vile as they want and they go to Heaven, and everyone else can be as good as they want and are still going to Hell.</p>
<p>So when they are on these missions of insanity with their protests, I often find myself asking myself &#8220;Why are they here?  According to them we&#8217;re going to Hell anyways so they&#8217;re just preaching to the damned.  If we be damned, then we&#8217;ll go about our lives and be damned.&#8221;  They&#8217;re not at these protests to save souls.  They are there to be seen, a disturbance, an annoying pest that needs to be squashed.</p>
<p>I would like to encourage you all to visit the website of Westboro&#8217;s biggest opponent, The Patriot Guard Riders, at <a href="http://www.patriotguard.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.patriotguard.org</a>.  This is a bikers organization that attends the funerals of those that have fallen in wars or to disasters and shields the mourners from protest organizations like Westboro.  Anytime Fred or his loud-mouth wife or daughter try to get behind their bullhorns with their protests, they are quickly silenced by the humming of many Hogs and other bikes.  They were in Tennessee yesterday at the funeral I attended.  You don&#8217;t have to own a motorbike to join, and your support for what they do is greatly appreciated.  I enrolled with them yesterday.  They have thousands of supporters from all across the country where Westboro is clearly outnumbered.</p>
<p>Just remember, Westboro is a sick organization that follows the work of Satan.  They are not Christians nor do they represent a Christian worship.  For the victims at Virginia Tech, take heart.  Remember the 23rd Chapter of Psalms.  God has prepared the Virginia Tech victims a table in the presence of their enemies.  They have eternal peace with God now, and that Topeka, KS church will continue to rant and rave with uncontrollable anger and frustration totally out of reach of the vicitims who sit with the other sheep on the right hand of the Lord Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: Dusty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phelps evil has gone on long enough and must be stopped. I believe, and hope that some of his clan get beaten to a bloddy pulp In VA. As noted earlier, these are college kids. College kids who are hurt, angry, and tense. How many times have you seen college kids tear up towns just because thier team won a sports game? The Phelps clan Is doomed If they show there, and rightfull so. Burn In Hell Phelps!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phelps evil has gone on long enough and must be stopped. I believe, and hope that some of his clan get beaten to a bloddy pulp In VA. As noted earlier, these are college kids. College kids who are hurt, angry, and tense. How many times have you seen college kids tear up towns just because thier team won a sports game? The Phelps clan Is doomed If they show there, and rightfull so. Burn In Hell Phelps!!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard L.Wagner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard L.Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;I hope someone out there catches the good Rev Phelps, and pounds him into submission.</description>
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		<title>By: dr.e</title>
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		<description>DavidBruno, that&#039;s an astute speculation. Too often it seems that many folks in the USA are often unknowing about symptomatology of severe mental illness; how it occurs incrementally, especially. 

Pastor Fred is a lawyer, as is one of his grown kids.. He hides behind our First Amendment (which protects many forms, but not all forms of speech), claiming the right to his own manner of &#039;free expression,&#039; which he believes trumps charges of harassment, disturbance of peace, and incitement to riot. He keeps people tied up in court; that&#039;s his MO

Europe and the Netherlands have been interesting examples of different ways of looking at &#039;speech&#039; and &#039;expression&#039; that does harm by inciting, harassing, causing a person to live in fear.

I&#039;m only a little conversant with &#039;speech&#039; issues in the UK, and how they are different from USA&#039;s, and how they are different too in countries that suffered certain dominant forces in WWII. I know with influx of immigrants, there must be other new pressures too, as there are here as well.

 I would like to hear more from you about how it is where you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DavidBruno, that&#8217;s an astute speculation. Too often it seems that many folks in the USA are often unknowing about symptomatology of severe mental illness; how it occurs incrementally, especially. </p>
<p>Pastor Fred is a lawyer, as is one of his grown kids.. He hides behind our First Amendment (which protects many forms, but not all forms of speech), claiming the right to his own manner of &#8216;free expression,&#8217; which he believes trumps charges of harassment, disturbance of peace, and incitement to riot. He keeps people tied up in court; that&#8217;s his MO</p>
<p>Europe and the Netherlands have been interesting examples of different ways of looking at &#8216;speech&#8217; and &#8216;expression&#8217; that does harm by inciting, harassing, causing a person to live in fear.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m only a little conversant with &#8216;speech&#8217; issues in the UK, and how they are different from USA&#8217;s, and how they are different too in countries that suffered certain dominant forces in WWII. I know with influx of immigrants, there must be other new pressures too, as there are here as well.</p>
<p> I would like to hear more from you about how it is where you are.</p>
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