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	<title>Comments on: Virginia University Shooting In 2002 Stopped By Armed Citizens</title>
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		<title>By: shooting</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12272/virginia-university-shooting-in-2002-stopped-by-armed-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-77408</link>
		<dc:creator>shooting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike P.</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12272/virginia-university-shooting-in-2002-stopped-by-armed-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-75156</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first read the silly yet virtually very brave John Derbyshire (NRO&#039;s own &quot;designated chickenhawk,&quot; his quote, not mine)  about counting shots and rushing the gunman, I of course immediately thought of the classic line from the &quot;Dirty Harry&quot; movie:

&quot;I know what you&#039;re thinking: &#039;Did he fire six shots or only five?.&#039;  To tell the truth, in all the excitement, I kind of lost track myself...  you&#039;ve got to ask yourself one question: &#039;Do I feel lucky?&#039; 

Well do you, Derbyshire?  Or are you just... well, NRO&#039;s designated chickenhawk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first read the silly yet virtually very brave John Derbyshire (NRO&#8217;s own &#8220;designated chickenhawk,&#8221; his quote, not mine)  about counting shots and rushing the gunman, I of course immediately thought of the classic line from the &#8220;Dirty Harry&#8221; movie:</p>
<p>&#8220;I know what you&#8217;re thinking: &#8216;Did he fire six shots or only five?.&#8217;  To tell the truth, in all the excitement, I kind of lost track myself&#8230;  you&#8217;ve got to ask yourself one question: &#8216;Do I feel lucky?&#8217; </p>
<p>Well do you, Derbyshire?  Or are you just&#8230; well, NRO&#8217;s designated chickenhawk.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidD</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad there are police officers with guns, both on duty and off duty, as you celebrate for bravery here. Now, how is this relevant? Those who focus on one solution to mass murder/suicide, whether it&#039;s gun control or arming everyone or something else, are talking fantasy.

People who are ready to commit suicide and take a whole lot of others with them in their anger are going to do a great deal of damage no matter what. Most of them plan for whatever circumstances laws create to stop them. Carry laws wouldn&#039;t have stopped Charles Whitman in 1966. He killed some heroes that day. As I understand it Whitman actually was sawing off his shotgun when his mailman walked up. Gee, did someone miss his chance to be a hero on that one?

I understand people&#039;s needs to see both the killer and the victims as a different species, calling the former &quot;creep&quot;, &quot;weirdo&quot;, &quot;psycho&quot;, &quot;lunatic&quot;, &quot;asshole&quot; and looking at the victims saying, &quot;I would have been smarter&quot;. It&#039;s all human nature, the urge to combine murder and suicide, the outrage of others against that, the proposals to control all this. If you&#039;re not inclined to look at all of that, I can&#039;t imagine any gun law being an answer to anything except for those who want a false sense of security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad there are police officers with guns, both on duty and off duty, as you celebrate for bravery here. Now, how is this relevant? Those who focus on one solution to mass murder/suicide, whether it&#8217;s gun control or arming everyone or something else, are talking fantasy.</p>
<p>People who are ready to commit suicide and take a whole lot of others with them in their anger are going to do a great deal of damage no matter what. Most of them plan for whatever circumstances laws create to stop them. Carry laws wouldn&#8217;t have stopped Charles Whitman in 1966. He killed some heroes that day. As I understand it Whitman actually was sawing off his shotgun when his mailman walked up. Gee, did someone miss his chance to be a hero on that one?</p>
<p>I understand people&#8217;s needs to see both the killer and the victims as a different species, calling the former &#8220;creep&#8221;, &#8220;weirdo&#8221;, &#8220;psycho&#8221;, &#8220;lunatic&#8221;, &#8220;asshole&#8221; and looking at the victims saying, &#8220;I would have been smarter&#8221;. It&#8217;s all human nature, the urge to combine murder and suicide, the outrage of others against that, the proposals to control all this. If you&#8217;re not inclined to look at all of that, I can&#8217;t imagine any gun law being an answer to anything except for those who want a false sense of security.</p>
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		<title>By: SnarkyShark</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12272/virginia-university-shooting-in-2002-stopped-by-armed-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-75042</link>
		<dc:creator>SnarkyShark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first guy that got killed rushed him.

Did I mentioned he got killed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first guy that got killed rushed him.</p>
<p>Did I mentioned he got killed?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12272/virginia-university-shooting-in-2002-stopped-by-armed-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-75040</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another point.   We have no way of knowing how many of the victims actually did try to rush the guy and simply were gunned down in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point.   We have no way of knowing how many of the victims actually did try to rush the guy and simply were gunned down in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention the folks on Flight 93 had some time to collect their thoughts, assess the situation, and decide on a course of action.   That plus as mentioned there really was no way to get out of the situation.    They were very brave, and perhaps backed into a corner and given more time to do the same I&#039;m sure certain students would have responded likewise.   But for those blogger tools to pass judgement on the fight or flight response of those actually there is a very pathetic species of cowardice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention the folks on Flight 93 had some time to collect their thoughts, assess the situation, and decide on a course of action.   That plus as mentioned there really was no way to get out of the situation.    They were very brave, and perhaps backed into a corner and given more time to do the same I&#8217;m sure certain students would have responded likewise.   But for those blogger tools to pass judgement on the fight or flight response of those actually there is a very pathetic species of cowardice.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ASSHOLE didn&#039;t watch the video posted here yesterday. The report from the pistol firing sounded more like a 9mm instead of a .22caliber pistol. Even at close range a .22 piston is still deadly. These brave Cheetos bloggers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ASSHOLE didn&#8217;t watch the video posted here yesterday. The report from the pistol firing sounded more like a 9mm instead of a .22caliber pistol. Even at close range a .22 piston is still deadly. These brave Cheetos bloggers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stevesturm</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevesturm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derbyshire mixes his apples and oranges.  

The passengers on Flight 93 had only two choices: giving themselves a chance (however slim) by fighting back (and maybe keeping the plane from being crashed into wherever it was headed), or sitting still. 

The students at Tech had a third choice: running.  Not only that, there was no guarantee that those who sat were going to die (as was the case for the passengers aboard Flight 93).  They might have been wounded, they might have escaped being shot altogether.

Having said this, I think there is something in his post: the hope that people facing death would choose to fight back, no matter how remote their chances were, rather than sitting quietly waiting for their turn in the showers, hoping someone else comes to their rescue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derbyshire mixes his apples and oranges.  </p>
<p>The passengers on Flight 93 had only two choices: giving themselves a chance (however slim) by fighting back (and maybe keeping the plane from being crashed into wherever it was headed), or sitting still. </p>
<p>The students at Tech had a third choice: running.  Not only that, there was no guarantee that those who sat were going to die (as was the case for the passengers aboard Flight 93).  They might have been wounded, they might have escaped being shot altogether.</p>
<p>Having said this, I think there is something in his post: the hope that people facing death would choose to fight back, no matter how remote their chances were, rather than sitting quietly waiting for their turn in the showers, hoping someone else comes to their rescue.</p>
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