The most ridiculous thing about blog comments is that so little of them deal w the real world, only on how folks want things to be.

Life ain’t like that. deal w it!

I agree with you that the kind of hatred you’ve described is despicable.

It featured sweet little babies on the billboard- all lily white. I interviewed a fellow who was head of an Atheist group in Alabama in 2003, and he was also involved in pro-ab (although he’d say pro-Choice) activities, and he said the same was done by many anti-ab groups around the country. When he researched why that was he was told that ‘black babies simply don’t show up well on billboards.’ Huh?

20 years ago, when i escorted a girl to get an abortion and some sickos stood in our way, and I tossed them down a flight of stairs, their shouts were, you’re committing genocide against your own race- even though the girl was Hispanic, and I’m white. They asumed I was th efather. I wa snot.

That’s BS, CS. I’ve seen it first hand. The hatred these sickos have is palpable- every bit as delusional as the VT killer or OBL. The thin veneer of respectability they put on does little to hide their white hoods- and don’t even talk to me about the deluded Uncle Toms they recruit to prove they love the Nigras.

Those justices that do not seek forward meaning are dinosaurs. And they are dangerous to society, for they do not want to alow growth.

As for states rights, well, slavery usurped much aof that as well. No state can contravene the Constitution. Period. They can only add rights to it.

As for the Left, I am no fan of theirs, but as I said, it’s the Right who have the power for the last few decades.

We’d not be in Iraq if a ‘Liberal’ were Prez.

Re: cap pun- it;s unfortunate, not ugly. There is a sense of justice in killing a murderer. The guilty cannot be murdered, merely executed. Fetuses, however, are not even in the equation, since they are not citizens- nor even sentient.

For starters, there is nothing in the US Constitution which really guarantees a right to abortion. This was a fabrication of the court in Roe, and Roe WAS a usurpation of the legislative rights of the states. This is why the decision remains so controversial. Frankly, we would have been much better off had the SCOTUS refused (correctly) to hear Roe, and sent it back to the states to handle through the legislative process. We would probably have some states with very liberal abortion laws, and some with very restrictive laws, which seems to be where this will end up, only forty years later than it would have been otherwise.

On the Left, we have PC hate speech and hate crime laws which punish thought which are deemed unacceptable; we have fabricated an absolute right to abortion from thin air, and no one on the left sees anything wrong with these laws. On the Right, we have laws like the USA Patriot Act, and support for the death penalty. The problem is both groups are willing to suppress certain aspects of the lives of other people to protect things which they value.

Abortion, like the death penalty, is an ugly business. I think both are necessary at times, but I would prefer both to be used sparingly. I think the people have a right to restrict the use of both abortion and execution through the legislative process to terms which are acceptable to the majority of citizens. This is precisely why Roe has been so problematic – it was a mandate handed down by the SCOTUS, not a result of the legislative process, and many citizens know that the constitution was short-circuited for political expediencey by the pro-abortion folks. This case is not the end of abortion, nor is it the ultimate triumph of fetal rights overcoming mother’s rights. It may, however, direct this discussion about abortion back to the state legislatures, where it should have been all along.

I know I won’t get unanimity on insentient fetuses. Many people live in their own worlds- be they blog trolls or that little VT killer bastard. But reality is what it is whether one accepts it or not.

Pro-ab sentiment is strong if one is in command of the facts and views things with logic.

I’m no fan of the Loony Left, but as the last quarter century goes, the Right has done far greater harm to this nation- starting w cutting many of the safety cords of the Great Society, their relentless voyeurism into people’s sex lives, and their constant wish to abrogate Civil Liberties of all sorts. The Left touts obnoxious PC, but fortunately they lack real power to implement their nonsense. The Right has bastardized the Supreme Court, run up huge deficits that cripple this nation’s economic future, and lied us into a war for oil.

Sorry, the Left is pathetic, but they are jokes. The Far Right is filled with people utterly detached from reality, and the power to pull the best of this nation down w them.

As for the anti-abers? When is someone going to admit that these are the same cretins who, a few decades ago, were hiding behind white hoods and robes? The vast majority of them are the recrudesence of the White Power movement who distortedly believe thay abortion is a plan by Leftists to eliminate the vaunted ‘white race’.

MBP,
Yes, we Catholics do value mothers too (I happen to be both a Catholic and a mother myself so I hardly see how I could not value myself )

Please don’t put words in my mouth; if you think I’m wrong to believe that the Kennedy court did look at the evidence and decide that this ruling doesn’t endanger health or life of mothers, then say so. But please refrain from implying judgement about who I care about or don’t care about.

I have to be away from my computer this morning but due to your comments and some in the thread by David S., I will have another look at the court opinions later to see if I find any point of agreement with your statements about health concerns that could not be addressed by alternate procedures.

I refused genetic testing because no matter what we were accepting our gift of children. But when p-eclampsia hit unexpectedly & late I was forced to deal with how dangerous pregnancy can be. We are blessed and all was fine — but guess what- it is a dangerous physical situation sometimes.

You just keep repeating that the health of mother was not overlooked – while hospitals stop even considering anything CLOSE to an emergency D&E at ANY STAGE of the pregnancy (and it does include a dying baby in the birth canal) because they do not want criminal charges – but keep repeating it. If the health of the mother was under consideration I would have no issue with the ruling.

I thought us Catholics valued mothers too? Hrm. Not if you applaud the totality of the decision.

I know I sound heated, and that’s only because I am. My frustration with this authoritarian attitude is sky high.

The answer to your question about what you believe is the same as I’ve stated before: You have every right to believe what you believe and live according to your beliefs.

But I want the same right – to live according to my beliefs. I don’t want to be forced to join your belief system or to live under it.
Your focus on the fetus, in my belief system, is perverse, as it promotes the rights of that fetus above that of the woman.
That’s a pure value judgment, in black and white, without even the grace of some areas of gray.
As no one, not you, not your church, not the law, and not the government can do anything to nullify or assuage the effects of this enforced judgment on the woman,those who support this kind of interference are, IMO, assuming the role of God. And woe to him who thinks he is God’s representative on earth.
A tourch of humility here is in order.

Forced to carry until labor naturally sets in and then heroic efforts to try to save a life (because the fetus was technically alive when delivered) that has no realistic chance of survival. Or have a C-Section, with all its risks, and the heroic effort to try to save a dying fetus.

Women with eclampsia and don’t terminate a pregnacy, if it’s before 24 weeks gestation, or have an emergency delivery after 24 weeks has an 87% fatality rate (of the fetus and/or mother).

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000899.htm

Tell them that their health is less important than the fetus. Or is the sole role of women to be incubators?? If that’s the case, then be prepared to take a whole lot of cold showers.

Lawsuit madness!!!

> I’d sooner worry over
> sentient independent
> beings (animals down
> to social insects, some
> fungi and plants) than
> mere clumps of cells, or
> even the insentient
> fetuses that others
> worry over.

You won’t get unanimity that the fetuses are insentient.

So you draw the line at birth, then (100% of term, abortion is OK). Very well.

As I’ve written elsewhere, I know someone who feels very much as you do (though I wonder how she would have felt if she had progressed through her term before making her decision). Pro-abortion sentiment can be quite strong if one doesn’t want (or like) children.

> But, even were science
> not on the side of the
> pro-abs, the anti-abs
> have used such deceit
> and treachery, and outright
> lying, that they should
> utterly disgust any
> civilized person-
> from the Silent Scream,
> to this nonsense.

The Left outweighs the Right when it comes to poor and wrongful behavior, as we’ve seen since the mid-1960s.

The Court ruling today is not nonsense. It even is fully compatible with the illegitimate Roe v. Wade decision. (If you can handle facts as you imply you understand science, Roe inserted into the Constitution something that is not there, then proceeded to craft federal law rather than have Congress do so, instead of correctly stating that this is not a federal issue and it is reserved to state and local government.)

> It should also be noted
> that it wasn’t until the
> Women’s Rights Movement
> of the 1960s that men even
> started worrying over this issue.

Which men, the ones who would help pay for illegal abortions prior to that time (and who also joined women in practicing contraception), or the men who joined the anti-abortion (and anti-euthanasia) movement out of concern for the helpless in growing numbers even before 1980? Men weren’t all reactionaries upset by women’s rights, civil rights, and long hair, you (should) realize. (Plenty of men would find easier abortion a relief, as much as you would, even neglect contraception and rely on abortion if need be, right?)

Please, note how the Republican, pro-life, conservative men in her family felt about the “procedure”, clearly a medical option that is NO LONGER ALLOWED. So where would her voice be today? Where is my voice if that happens to me?

You might enjoy sacrificing your life, but my husband works and we have a family to raise so I might be upset if my very much wanted preganancy seriously threatens my health and the law says “too bad, so what?” If there is another procedure why wasn’t it used? What exactly will replace the D&X in such cases? The fetus’s head was chock full of fluid, should they just C section and keep it hooked up to machines forever? Why are so many Drs REFUSING to deal in “non healthy pregnancies” if NOT for the chilling effect that a D&X will now, or very soon be a criminal offense?

So, by applauding the wording of this law you make it clear that you choose the baby over the mother. Righteous and honorable, and in 99 cases out of 100 I’d probably be inclined to agree with you. BUT you sacrifice the mother’s health, possibly her future fertility in the 1 case, and if that woman is me, let me tell you – that isn’t YOUR (or the SC’s) choice to make for me.

I usually refuse to post on political blogs as rule (one that I broke tonight to post this link). But it is food for thought. Such cases do not happen. It made me think about the darker side of this opinion. Remember that as you celebrate.

I’d sooner worry over sentient independent beings (animals down to social insects, some fungi and plants) than mere clumps of cells, or even the insentient fetuses that others worry over.

But, even were science not on the side of the pro-abs, the anti-abs have used such deceit and treachery, and outright lying, that they should utterly disgust any civilized person- from the Silent Scream, to this nonsense.

It should also be noted that it wasn’t until the Women’s Rights Movement of the 1960s that men even started worrying over this issue.