Comments on: A Sure Sign That the Surge Is Working http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Thu, 02 May 2013 03:16:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Nobody http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-75398 Nobody Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:50:41 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-75398 After a court upheld Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzkhov’s ban on a gay and lesbian pride march, on May 27, 2006, several dozen gay activists and supporters attempted to hold two protest rallies in support of freedoms of assembly and expression. Hundreds of anti-gay protesters, including skinheads, nationalists, and Orthodox followers, attacked the participants, beating and kicking many, and chanted threats. The mayor’s office had earlier made homophobic statements and circulated directives to restrict gay and lesbian rights.

For many ethnic Russians, the prospect of becoming a minority in their country is unthinkable, and nationalist sentiments are on the rise. “Russia is historically a Slavic, Orthodox Christian land, and we need to make sure it stays that way,” said Alexander Belov, head of the Movement Against Illegal Immigration, an increasingly powerful interest group that has organized dozens of rallies in recent months.

I have 100′s of articles about Russia and its ever growing portent for Nationalism. The question really becomes. What happens if Russia partakes in nationalism once again? Want alarming facts on Europe? I have them too.

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By: White Agent http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-75088 White Agent Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:12:37 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-75088 Neocon = Nazi

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By: Nobody http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-75043 Nobody Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:29:11 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-75043 Pyst.

I am a neocon. Thank you.

I also spend my time on international affairs and dont spend all my time reading Comic books.

From the Washington Times. Nov 21, 2006.

MOSCOW — Low domestic birthrates and rising immigration from the former Soviet republics are producing explosive growth in Russia’s Muslim community, which is on a track to account for more than half the population by midcentury.
“Russia is going through a religious transformation that will be of even greater consequence for the international community than the collapse of the Soviet Union,” said Paul Goble, a specialist on Islam in Russia and research associate at the University of Tartu in Estonia.

How about this one. This is frightening to me.

This from the World Europe.

Yet in most of Russia a quite different contest over the future of Islam is going on. All of its participants insist that they have no desire to live under a ruler other than Mr Putin. But they differ on how, and how far, to hold him to a promise he first made in Malaysia in 2003, when he declared that Russia was a Muslim power, which hoped to play a role in global Muslim affairs.

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By: Pyst http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-75015 Pyst Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:28:03 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-75015 Bush did lie, can’t put lipstick on that pig anymore after all the info thats come out. But that’s besides the point and matters not in the discussion it’s just you howling at the moon.

Russia atm is 15% Muslim….a majority is 51% maybe you read the number backwards? LOL And the vast majority of that is along the borders with the ‘Stans and Chechnya.

Your ideas are scattershot, a true neocon trait LOL.

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By: casualobserver http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-75010 casualobserver Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:21:25 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-75010 http://www.defenselink.mil/home/dodupdate/iraq-update/Handovers/index.html

I guess a photo of a car bomb incident makes for a better blog than something relating to the bigger picture.

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By: Nobody http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74984 Nobody Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:40:53 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74984 And Russia is on it’s way to becoming “majority muslim�????

Incredible. How’s the weather in your alternate reality?

Do some research. I’m not even gonna point out the links anymore. You guys are in your own mindless little world. Joy and bliss as you chant “Bush Lied”

But heres a hint. Try Brookings Institute a center LEFT think tank.

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By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74979 DLS Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:34:57 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74979 > Huh, huh, whats the plan huh?

Obama could get away with this, even if has no plan, attacking the GOP guy in the debates, you realize.

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By: casualobserver http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74918 casualobserver Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:02:10 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74918 Why offer your plan, nobody? Here’s is what your opponents have to choose from based on the “issues” page of the two most likely Democrat nominees:

HRC:when I’m President, I will moving (sic) immediately to begin redeploying our troops and putting the pressure on the Iraqis and the countries in the region because it is time once and for all to end our involvement in Iraq.

BHO:Senator Obama introduced legislation in January 2007 to commences redeployment of U.S. forces no later than May 1, 2007 with the goal of removing all combat brigades from Iraq by March 31, 2008. The plan allows for a limited number of U.S. troops to remain in Iraq as basic force protection, to engage in counter-terrorism and to continue the training of Iraqi security forces. If the Iraqis are successful in meeting the 13 benchmarks for progress laid out by the Bush Administration, this plan also allows for the temporary suspension of the redeployment.

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By: Davebo http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74898 Davebo Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:32:58 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74898 And Russia is on it’s way to becoming “majority muslim”????

Incredible. How’s the weather in your alternate reality?

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By: Davebo http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74897 Davebo Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:31:38 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74897

Irans oil infrastructure is collapsing. You are absolutely right RUDI. You hit the nail on the head. That has always been the plan with the axis of evil speech and then moving into the middle east. Isolation and the bankrupting of IRAN and cutting off funding for terrorists.

Its working but gee you guys want to leave before the jobs done, so Iran can take over even more oil.

Huh? We talked tough and then invaded Iraq to prevent Iran from upgrading it’s oil refining capacity?

And by staying in Iraq, we are accomplishing this goal?

Some pretty vapid pretzel logic there Nobody.

The absolute best case scenario for Iran, it’s refining infrastructure, and infrastructure in general is for the price of oil to stay above $50.00 a barrel.

The invasion, occupation and resulting tensions in the region will help ensure it does.

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By: Nobody http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74889 Nobody Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:18:06 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74889 My plan is irrelevant. But I will give you my plan anyway.

I think the forces in Iraq should redeploy to guard the borders and prevent any more freedom fighters from just waltzing into Iraq. I think that Iraq is well on the way to a civil war that can be contained. But it can only be contained by their own forces.

I think our force structure should be cut in half with about 1/2 of those redeployed to Afghanistan and stopping the pathetic attempts of the Mullahs to bring the war back to Afghanistan.

I think our force structure should be cut from the 175,000 now deployed to around 100,000. Give our troops a break.

I think OBL is significant. I think finding him should be a priority. I think that the forces in Afghanistan should concentrate on hitting the Taliban where they live. AKA along the Pakistani border.

I think the USA should continue to put the squeeze on IRAN diplomatically and politically and further cause them to collapse economically.

I think George Bush should start today by being bosom buddies with Putin. Yes he is slipping back into the ways of old but Russia is on the verge of becoming majority Muslim. We need them to make that transition peacefully and not in chaos.

We need to drastically improve the CIA and FBI. We need to stop Illegal Immigration into this country in a bipartisan effort that secures the safety of our nation and stops the political infighting.

We need to reach across the Isle and absorb the Democrats and the antiwar into this process. This is their war too. The democrats have some ideas that work. We need to accept their help and work for solutions instead of making this a Political test of wills.

We need to work closer with our allies in Europe. We need them as much as they need us. We also need to lead this expedition to stop Jihad. Educating the masses in the middle east with more radio and more broadcasts that show the good things we are doing and not the bad.

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By: Rudi http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74884 Rudi Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:14:06 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74884 Nobody – If Iran can’t maintain their own oil fields and imports 100% of it’s refined oil products they need to fix their problems first. So they take over Iraq and their problems double.

Iraqis are allied to Iran (maybe) because we are there. The Iranians are Persians, the Iraqis are Arab – these two groups were enemies for hundreds of years before we made this mess. If we leave the Iraqis/Iranians may remember their ethic battles and stop singing the Arabic Kumbaya.

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By: SnarkyShark http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74868 SnarkyShark Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:51:49 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74868

Do you think unique bowel movements are producing these weapons and bombs WA?

No, that would be the huge arms depot we left unguarded. Because we didn’t go in with enough troops. Because the war-mongers just couldn’t wait to get their war on? They did seem to scare up enough troops to gaurd the oil ministry?

Whats your plan to recover that 3 lifetimes worth of RDX?

Whats your plan to capture OBL, huh? You know, that guy who actually did 9/11?

Huh, huh, whats the plan huh?

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By: Nobody http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74854 Nobody Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:29:51 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74854 Where do I start in response to all of you attacking the Neocon.

Total is an absolute. Their is not Total opposition to our troops being in Iraq. Secondly one poll by the brits proves nothing other then their bias. However I will agree with you in principal. I surely doubt any country wants to be occupied. I have no doubt that a majority of the Iraqis want us there. Gee I wonder why 80 percent Shia. Irans buddies.

Irans oil infrastructure is collapsing. You are absolutely right RUDI. You hit the nail on the head. That has always been the plan with the axis of evil speech and then moving into the middle east. Isolation and the bankrupting of IRAN and cutting off funding for terrorists.

Its working but gee you guys want to leave before the jobs done, so Iran can take over even more oil.

Terrorists dont need funding? Look at the suicide bombers in Palestine/Israel conflict. We cut off the funding Saddam Hussein was sending and the bombing stopped.

Of course terrorists need funding.

Do you think unique bowel movements are producing these weapons and bombs WA?

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By: Rudi http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74850 Rudi Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:17:35 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74850 Nobddy say:
Will Iran absorb Iraq and control even more oil which will then allow her to finance even more terror world wide.
Iran oil infrastructure is collapsing due to Western isolation. Iraqs oil infrastucture is even worse, the oil issue is in your neocon mind – Nobody. Turkey is threatening to attack northern Iraq to curtail raids from terrorist the US military and the CIA are supporting. Quit reading the Freestate comment section…

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By: Davebo http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74842 Davebo Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:07:26 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74842 No problems Shaun!

I managed to resist adding the “simple answers to simple questions” tag.

But it wasn’t easy..

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By: Shaun Mullen http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74813 Shaun Mullen Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:39:50 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74813 Davebo:

Thank you for clearing things up for me. (Wink!)

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By: White Agent http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74791 White Agent Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:19:13 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74791 Nobody- [Iraq and control even more oil which will then allow her to finance even more terror world wide]—-

So…all that terrorism needs is money??

Typical neocon…..that’s the thing it needs LEAST because it is in effect an insurgency! YOU feed it what it needs MOST….and that is hate.

Why is it….that you haven’t…..figured this…..simple fact…..out yet?

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By: Davebo http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74788 Davebo Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:16:18 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74788 Shaun,

Despite this news the surge is indeed working.

It’s just that the purpose of the surge is much more political than tactical.

We have an excuse to keep our troops in Iraq indefinately because we’ve come up with a slight shift in plans involving 20k troops or so.

That is the purpose of the surge. And every day the occupation continues, the surge is working. Regardless of how many Iraqi or Coalition lives are lost that day, or the security situation in Baghdad.

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By: White Agent http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74778 White Agent Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:09:10 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74778 Nobody-

[If we leave the bombs will still be going off. For a short while anyway while the 80 percent Shia Mass Murder and genocide the 20 percent Sunni]

Yeah and it will be your fault ALSO. We told you this YEARS AGO. Did you listen…nope. You called us unpatriotic, defeatists, and, other names revealing the neocon childish mentality.

Yep….the blood will flow……But don’t tell us that suddenly NOW you care. And BTW, when you bring your Iraqi lackys home with you, (like the bill now in congress granting “special” imigration rights to certain Iraqis)….we are going to BLAME you AGAIN when they start crap here. So I suggest that you keep that number small…real small…in fact, why don’t you just Save the Children?!

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By: kritter http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74773 kritter Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:06:22 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74773 Realistically though, how long can we afford to stay? If something were to happen in another area of the world , what would we respond with? Our enemies know they can test and taunt us because we are stuck in a quagmire. In my mind it is only a matter of time before we are forced to get out of the middle of a civil war. We should attempt to help anyone in the Iraqi govt who helped us, and get the regional powers to cooperate in providing security for Iraq.

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By: Chris http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74762 Chris Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:56:13 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74762 Nobody,
Polls of Iraqis show that they want us gone. Polls show that most Iraqis support armed resistance to the American army.

So what’s your plan to turn those numbers around?

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By: Nobody http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74750 Nobody Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:49:26 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74750 How can a foreign army even hope to pacify a large local population in total opposition?

You have to remember this is no longer about the Americans. And there is not total opposition to us being there. Those bombs are rarely killing Americans. Those bombs are killing Iraqis. Sunnis today, Shia tomorrow.

If we leave the bombs will still be going off. For a short while anyway while the 80 percent Shia Mass Murder and genocide the 20 percent Sunni.

The question is really now that the democrats are going to force us to leave is will the war engulf the entire region? Will Iran absorb Iraq and control even more oil which will then allow her to finance even more terror world wide.

Oh of course not screams the left. We have a plan.

Our plan is to hire more AFL/CIO workers to secure our ports.

That will show them Jihadists.

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By: Chris http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74740 Chris Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:39:32 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74740 How can a foreign army even hope to pacify a large local population in total opposition?

It’d be one thing if the Iraqis actually liked what we were doing over there, but they don’t. Everyday we are there we create more enemies, not less.

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By: White Agent http://themoderatevoice.com/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/comment-page-1/#comment-74723 White Agent Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:17:32 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/12265/a-sure-sign-that-the-surge-is-working/#comment-74723 Reminds me of: “A Target Rich Environment”…..

If this was Los Angeles, what would the republicans be doing different?

By their own words…..nothing.

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