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		<title>By: SnarkyShark</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12208/hispanics-lose-religion-in-us/comment-page-1/#comment-74272</link>
		<dc:creator>SnarkyShark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another situation that illustrates how flawed the so called  conservatives philosophy is.

Your average Republican/conservative(?) believes in Capitol Punishment. He/She also would rather gouge their eyes out than have universal health car.

Lets examine this.

The argument is that the government can&#039;t be trusted to provide good health care because the government is so damn incompetent.

And yet they are all about the government being just perfect when it comes to trying and executing criminals.

Think about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another situation that illustrates how flawed the so called  conservatives philosophy is.</p>
<p>Your average Republican/conservative(?) believes in Capitol Punishment. He/She also would rather gouge their eyes out than have universal health car.</p>
<p>Lets examine this.</p>
<p>The argument is that the government can&#8217;t be trusted to provide good health care because the government is so damn incompetent.</p>
<p>And yet they are all about the government being just perfect when it comes to trying and executing criminals.</p>
<p>Think about that.</p>
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		<title>By: SnarkyShark</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12208/hispanics-lose-religion-in-us/comment-page-1/#comment-74268</link>
		<dc:creator>SnarkyShark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If you examine life, instead of a rule book, I think it becomes evident that different approaches work best in different cases and that the worst solution is an either/or one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Dude! Are you some kind of commie? In Bushworld(tm) its my way, or the highway!

Actually you have shown why Conservatism will go the way of the Do-Do.

Inability to adapt or evolve. The very first plank of that failure is the inability to accept evolution in the first place. Now MVDG is a bit smarter than the average fundie, and might even understand and accept evolution, but he is quite the exception. 

If it wasn&#039;t so tragic, it would be fun watching this play out in real time.

Digby coined a phrase that really sums it up.

Strangely primitive intellectuals.

My nuke is bigger than yours, might makes right, etc etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you examine life, instead of a rule book, I think it becomes evident that different approaches work best in different cases and that the worst solution is an either/or one.</p></blockquote>
<p>Dude! Are you some kind of commie? In Bushworld(tm) its my way, or the highway!</p>
<p>Actually you have shown why Conservatism will go the way of the Do-Do.</p>
<p>Inability to adapt or evolve. The very first plank of that failure is the inability to accept evolution in the first place. Now MVDG is a bit smarter than the average fundie, and might even understand and accept evolution, but he is quite the exception. </p>
<p>If it wasn&#8217;t so tragic, it would be fun watching this play out in real time.</p>
<p>Digby coined a phrase that really sums it up.</p>
<p>Strangely primitive intellectuals.</p>
<p>My nuke is bigger than yours, might makes right, etc etc</p>
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		<title>By: SnarkyShark</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12208/hispanics-lose-religion-in-us/comment-page-1/#comment-74253</link>
		<dc:creator>SnarkyShark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why not? Because Jesus Himself constantly separated Church from the State. Render unto Ceasarâ€¦ My Kingdom is not of this worldâ€¦ etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So how does this relate to Republicans? They have been spending much time and energy on trying to blur and abolish that separation.

Unless you are suggesting Republicans aren&#039;t really conservative?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why not? Because Jesus Himself constantly separated Church from the State. Render unto Ceasarâ€¦ My Kingdom is not of this worldâ€¦ etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>So how does this relate to Republicans? They have been spending much time and energy on trying to blur and abolish that separation.</p>
<p>Unless you are suggesting Republicans aren&#8217;t really conservative?</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12208/hispanics-lose-religion-in-us/comment-page-1/#comment-74184</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;helping the poor actively as well, but not through government programs but through charities.&quot;
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Maybe, but a number of issues would have to be resolved - by government.
-Charities are free to discriminate.  The Salvation Army will not accept gay volunteers, for example
-Charities can also discriminate re those they choose to serve, as in only Catholics, only women, etc.

In general, this is another example of applying ideological principles to each and every situation.  States&#039; rights, no gun control, charities, and so on.

If you examine life, instead of a rule book, I think it becomes evident that different approaches work best in different cases and that the worst solution is an either/or one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;helping the poor actively as well, but not through government programs but through charities.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Maybe, but a number of issues would have to be resolved &#8211; by government.<br />
-Charities are free to discriminate.  The Salvation Army will not accept gay volunteers, for example<br />
-Charities can also discriminate re those they choose to serve, as in only Catholics, only women, etc.</p>
<p>In general, this is another example of applying ideological principles to each and every situation.  States&#8217; rights, no gun control, charities, and so on.</p>
<p>If you examine life, instead of a rule book, I think it becomes evident that different approaches work best in different cases and that the worst solution is an either/or one.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der GaliÃ«n</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12208/hispanics-lose-religion-in-us/comment-page-1/#comment-74179</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael van der GaliÃ«n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More: conservatives might believe in helping the poor actively as well, but not through government programs but through charities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More: conservatives might believe in helping the poor actively as well, but not through government programs but through charities.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der GaliÃ«n</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12208/hispanics-lose-religion-in-us/comment-page-1/#comment-74178</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael van der GaliÃ«n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the man was most definitely a liberal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Politically, Jesus was most definitely &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; a liberal. 

Why not? Because Jesus Himself constantly separated Church from the State. Render unto Ceasar... My Kingdom is not of this world... etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the man was most definitely a liberal.</p></blockquote>
<p>Politically, Jesus was most definitely <em>not</em> a liberal. </p>
<p>Why not? Because Jesus Himself constantly separated Church from the State. Render unto Ceasar&#8230; My Kingdom is not of this world&#8230; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; I thought the left wing was a
&gt; bunch of Godless heathens.

Not in the case of &quot;liberation theology,&quot; or our US&#039;s own politically correct activist churches.  Do you remember the &quot;sanctuary&quot; movement (a slap at Reagan&#039;s foreign policy conducted here at home), or how activist churches have deliberately undermined immigration policy, or the black churches and their Democratic politics that I&#039;ve mentioned before?  No?  Not surprising.  Yes, but you didn&#039;t want to admit it?  Not surprising.

&gt; You sure do flip-flop a lot.

No, I just know a lot that you don&#039;t happen also to know, or don&#039;t want to admit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I thought the left wing was a<br />
&gt; bunch of Godless heathens.</p>
<p>Not in the case of &#8220;liberation theology,&#8221; or our US&#8217;s own politically correct activist churches.  Do you remember the &#8220;sanctuary&#8221; movement (a slap at Reagan&#8217;s foreign policy conducted here at home), or how activist churches have deliberately undermined immigration policy, or the black churches and their Democratic politics that I&#8217;ve mentioned before?  No?  Not surprising.  Yes, but you didn&#8217;t want to admit it?  Not surprising.</p>
<p>&gt; You sure do flip-flop a lot.</p>
<p>No, I just know a lot that you don&#8217;t happen also to know, or don&#8217;t want to admit.</p>
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		<title>By: SnarkyShark</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12208/hispanics-lose-religion-in-us/comment-page-1/#comment-74155</link>
		<dc:creator>SnarkyShark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DLS-

If Jesus were around today, he would be brutalized by Rush and Hannity, and James Dobsen himself would ask Pontaus Bush to send him to gitmo.

Cause the man was most definitely a liberal. All that brothers keeper stuff and all.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Foremost of these crazy things is â€œliberation theologyâ€? (left-wing politics dressed up in religious clothing).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I thought the left wing was a bunch of Godless heathens. You sure do flip-flop a lot.

Flippity floppity, floppity flippity.

Really, you need to go back and listen to his shows archives so you can remember what your opinion is supposed to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DLS-</p>
<p>If Jesus were around today, he would be brutalized by Rush and Hannity, and James Dobsen himself would ask Pontaus Bush to send him to gitmo.</p>
<p>Cause the man was most definitely a liberal. All that brothers keeper stuff and all.</p>
<blockquote><p>Foremost of these crazy things is â€œliberation theologyâ€? (left-wing politics dressed up in religious clothing).</p></blockquote>
<p>I thought the left wing was a bunch of Godless heathens. You sure do flip-flop a lot.</p>
<p>Flippity floppity, floppity flippity.</p>
<p>Really, you need to go back and listen to his shows archives so you can remember what your opinion is supposed to be.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12208/hispanics-lose-religion-in-us/comment-page-1/#comment-74114</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; that church really has done some
&gt; crazy things with the teachings of Jesus

  Foremost of these crazy things is &quot;liberation theology&quot; (left-wing politics dressed up in religious clothing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; that church really has done some<br />
&gt; crazy things with the teachings of Jesus</p>
<p>  Foremost of these crazy things is &#8220;liberation theology&#8221; (left-wing politics dressed up in religious clothing).</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe its because I was raised catholic, but I really think thats a dysfunctional church.   Beyond the pedofilia, that church really has done some crazy things with the teachings of Jesus.  Jesus said leave all worldly things and follow me even though you are in rags.   The pope lives in a palace.   And also has a summer palace.  Thats just the tip of the iceberg, but I can see why people get disallusioned with the disconnect between what Jesus said to do, and what those who preach his word, or claim to, actually do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe its because I was raised catholic, but I really think thats a dysfunctional church.   Beyond the pedofilia, that church really has done some crazy things with the teachings of Jesus.  Jesus said leave all worldly things and follow me even though you are in rags.   The pope lives in a palace.   And also has a summer palace.  Thats just the tip of the iceberg, but I can see why people get disallusioned with the disconnect between what Jesus said to do, and what those who preach his word, or claim to, actually do.</p>
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		<title>By: White Agent</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12208/hispanics-lose-religion-in-us/comment-page-1/#comment-73765</link>
		<dc:creator>White Agent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snarky- &quot;Tacky&quot; is just one variety of garlic I wear around my neck to ward off the Conservative Conformity Vampires. They will suck you dry of original thought if you let them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snarky- &#8220;Tacky&#8221; is just one variety of garlic I wear around my neck to ward off the Conservative Conformity Vampires. They will suck you dry of original thought if you let them.</p>
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		<title>By: SnarkyShark</title>
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		<dc:creator>SnarkyShark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kind of tacky WA

I know, I know,no one is more shocked that I said &lt;strong&gt;that&lt;/strong&gt;  then me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of tacky WA</p>
<p>I know, I know,no one is more shocked that I said <strong>that</strong>  then me.</p>
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		<title>By: White Agent</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12208/hispanics-lose-religion-in-us/comment-page-1/#comment-73752</link>
		<dc:creator>White Agent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leaving the Catholic church? I wonder how many are leaving because they have a size eleven arsehole? Or their kids do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leaving the Catholic church? I wonder how many are leaving because they have a size eleven arsehole? Or their kids do.</p>
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		<title>By: SnarkyShark</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12208/hispanics-lose-religion-in-us/comment-page-1/#comment-73742</link>
		<dc:creator>SnarkyShark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its funny. The Bushies claim to be trying to move Iraq towards a Democratic secular government, while trying to do exactly the opposite here.

Since Religion went out of its way to tie itself to a particular party, look for Religions influence to wane in direct per portion to said political party.

They would have done well to read their own Bible especially as it relates to &quot;rendering unto Ceaser.

I surely don&#039;t remember Jesus talking about his preference for a strong dictator vs the Republic.

And I surely don&#039;t remember him discussing the merits of the various frontier wars.

He never said &quot;blessed are the rich, and screw the poor&quot; nor blessed are the loud racist agitators for they will inherit the AM airwaves&quot;.

There is a reason why separation of church and state was a good idea, and that the Pharisees of todays modern religion ignored that will seal Religions decline.

Since Religion has played a part in most human slaughter in our history, I say good riddance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its funny. The Bushies claim to be trying to move Iraq towards a Democratic secular government, while trying to do exactly the opposite here.</p>
<p>Since Religion went out of its way to tie itself to a particular party, look for Religions influence to wane in direct per portion to said political party.</p>
<p>They would have done well to read their own Bible especially as it relates to &#8220;rendering unto Ceaser.</p>
<p>I surely don&#8217;t remember Jesus talking about his preference for a strong dictator vs the Republic.</p>
<p>And I surely don&#8217;t remember him discussing the merits of the various frontier wars.</p>
<p>He never said &#8220;blessed are the rich, and screw the poor&#8221; nor blessed are the loud racist agitators for they will inherit the AM airwaves&#8221;.</p>
<p>There is a reason why separation of church and state was a good idea, and that the Pharisees of todays modern religion ignored that will seal Religions decline.</p>
<p>Since Religion has played a part in most human slaughter in our history, I say good riddance.</p>
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