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The real crime was the way the DA rushed the indictments without regard to the real evidence. The accuser was not a credible witness, as her story kept shifting, and her friend was no better. Its pretty disgusting the way the media salivated over every detail- so that the reputations of everybody involved in the case (except the defense attys) was basically ruined. Its bad enough to live through a nightmare like this without seeing and hearing about it nonstop on cable news and am radio. I guess in the end the justice system righted itself, but it was another ugly episode of an ugly racial incident being tried in the media.
I am VERY surprised that David is the first person to comment about the Duke case here at TMV this week.
I have followed this case closely, almost daily, at KC Johnson’s Durham-in-Wonderland.
It has actually changed me from a supporter of the death penalty, to an opponent. Seeing the checks & balances tossed out the window makes clear how easily people can be railroaded.
Nifong had key enablers – a judge (his close friend) who gave him favourable rulings; a far-left faculty at Duke; a media who — as Kritter accurately observes — tried and convicted these kids before any charges were laid!
David makes a very good, and VERY disturbing, point: How often do things like this happen in America…for it was only having top-flight legal talent, and the support of bloggers, that stopped Nifong’s race-baiting railroading.
That said, I must correct a couple of points in David’s post. He is relying on a highly inaccurate account regarding the racial slurs that were hurled at the party. What the feminist blogger he links to leaves out is that the racial slurs were actually initiated by the accuser (this is the account by the other stripper that night), who referred to the players as being shall we say under-endowed white boys, to which the players then responded with their own racial slurs.
Also, the assault conviction David cites regarding one of the accused refers to a fracas in Washington DC. It is generally believed that prosecutors in Washington were in contact with Durham. Anyhow, the lacrosse player in question did not hit, nor was hit by anyone. The presiding judge later “vacated” his assault conviction, meaning there is no criminal record, as he considered the case absurd.
I am not being conspiratorial in re the above. Note, for example, that when an immigrant taxi driver in Durham gave an alibi to one of the accused…Nifong ordered the Durham police to arrest the driver on a long outdated shoplifting warrant. The judge threw the case out of court, recognizing it as intimidation of a witness by the District Attorney.
This was one of the most appalling examples of prosecutorial misconduct in the history of the US…and Nifong almost got away with it…all to get the black vote so he could get elected.
I fully agree with David’s conclusion: what would have happened had this occurred to someone without education, or money?
It surprised me too, Marlowe. I first heard about it on Hannity’s radio show, and so thought that the right was picking sides because the defendents were rich white young men, and the accuser was a young single black mother who stripped for a living. It made me angry at the Right wing media – because I thought that they had no idea what the evidence was- and that they were demogoging for ratings. But, I had to do a 180 when the misconduct charges started surfacing. Its really a shame that a prosecutor would choose to railroad college kids like that. He sounds corrupt and incompetent. He should be disbarred.
Kritter: I fully agree with you about the media…except to say it seemed bi-partisan in exploiting this story. Newsweek’s mugshots of the accused on its cover was appalling.
Yes, I hope he will be disbarred. A lot of folks are guilty here, but a scapegoat is needed, and Nifong is very guilty.
But like I said: this case made me into a death penalty opponent.
If the kids didn’t have education and money (even so, they are facing a 3.5 million legal bill) they would be facing 30-40 years in prison.
How many poor kids (including poor Blacks) face such circumstances? It is depressing thinking of it.
Whiteagent said:
What were they doing with their peckers out? Thats a crime right there!
Actually, they weren’t out…she was just dissing them.
And is waving a willy a crime in a private dwelling, actually?
Perhaps, Whiteagent, you haven’t enjoyed the masculine “wonderment” that is “300″ yet?
While I enjoyed the movie, I have never seen so much… uhh…masculinity on display…in public, not private. I note in my local paper that gay communities have really adopted this movie. I imagine this summer’s Gay Pride parades in our major cities will have “300″ + naughty bits on full display. How many cops are gonna arrest them?
It made me angry at the Right wing media – because I thought that they had no idea what the evidence was- and that they were demogoging for ratings.
Oddly, Kritter, I had the same reaction. Initially, I assumed it was a typical rape involving atheletes at universities…of which there are quite a few, sadly, every year. I thought the whole story was media crap….and that they were guilty.
Then, at some point, I looked closer, and saw what was going on.
Marlowe- I didn’t mean that I only blamed the Right wing media- I am disgusted by the media’s feeding frenzy over the case- as well as Imus and the Anna Nicole circus. That depresses me.
I only advocate the death penalty in the worst cases- like the DC Sniper case or Son of Sam. Mass murderers who have no soul. But the current justice dept is forcing the death penalty any time its an option on the USA’s-instead of leaving it up to their discretion. That’s depressing too. How can Bush worry about embryos that are going to be discarded anyway, yet force the harshest punishment that he can on criminals (who may have been railroaded). Bush never showed mercy in any d.p. case in Texas- and good ol Gonzo never once recommended clemency.
OK, this is an area where I’m simply ignorant, as, and I’m not pretending, I’ve never been to a strip club or to a party with a stripper.
When I read the accounts of the DNA evidence which helped to exonerate the players, I keep thinking, “why is their ‘DNA’ at all from five different men on this woman?” I have been guessing that it is not common practice for strippers to get covered in multiple men’s… DNA. Even lap dances, which might cause this, are usually done with the customers’ pants on, right? But am I simply naive? Is it in fact customary to have at least five men whipping it our whenever a stripper shows up? And whipping it out on top of a woman’s pelvis? I am not naive enough to not be aware that prostitution often happens with escorts and strippers, but this seems different than that.
So can the more worldly fill me in? This is exceptional, for lack of a better word, correct?
And again I am not saying that the three accused players were involved in any way in this. Some other five unknown men appear to be. Let me know.
followed this case from the start. I noticed several so called “feminist” Bloggers ranting about it early on. I and some others attempted to inject some sanity into the discussion. We were called rape apologist and racists for daring to question the woman’s story. Despite the fact that I predicted how the evidence would go early on, they maintained that the players were guilty regardless of the evidence. At first they pointed to early stories of the victim having been beaten as evidence. They pointed to claims that a sane nurse found
that she had symptoms consistent with being raped. I could go on. But as each piece of evidence fell they changed their logic. Instead of calling on the evidence to prove a point they resorted to saying that the evidence doesn’t prove they accused had lied. It was pathetic. Ultimately they tried to hold on to the notion that Nifong was holding some evidence that we did not know about. These people were like religious zealots simply devoid of logic and reason.
Tonight I was over at one blog discussing the Imus situation. The person who made the post asked if what happened to Imus was enough. I gave a reasoned analysis on why I felt the comments made by Imus were rejected by AmeIrica while the Rutgers players were well received. Everything I said was completely misrepresented. To say the reactions were bizarre would be an understatement. In the end a couple of them were calling for me to be banned. One is actually a college professor. How pathetic is that? If you want a good example of how progressives view race and gender issues check out this thread.
Hi, MichaelF, could you explain what you meant in the first paragraph again? You had one sentence, which was “Despite the fact that I predicted how the evidence would go early on….” This sounds like somehow you knew who was lying and who was telling the truth before you heard the evidence as well, which is exactly what you are accusing your arguees of. So I’m assuming this isn’t what you meant?
Not to excuse what happened, but to understand better, we have to remember that this occurred in a community with long standing tensions between the locals and the “priivleged’ college kids.
I don’t think either side was as pure as the driven snow when it came to exchanging insults and such.
I remember some E-mail passages from a Duke team member to the coach being released with pretty ‘liberal’ sexual and racial content.
The stage was set. All that was needed were the actors.
“When I read the accounts of the DNA evidence which helped to exonerate the players, I keep thinking, “why is their ‘DNA’ at all from five different men on this woman?â€? …And again I am not saying that the three accused players were involved in any way in this. Some other five unknown men appear to be. Let me know.”
Yes, Pacatrue, this was a key issue.
It was the DNA issue that blew this case out of the water in December, when the head of the DNA lab admitted on the witness stand that the DA asked him to suppress evidence. To be blunt, she had five different men’s DNA in various parts, but none from any of the 46 lacrosse players. The other men’s DNA were from consensual acts.
The DA Nifong realized this would be dynamite, and would be exonerating for the lacrosse players, so he asked that the head of the lab suppress the evidence. It was only in combing through the thousands of pages of info, that the defense uncovered a reference to the test results…prompting a dramatic “Perry Mason” moment on the witness stand, as the head of the DNA lab admitted all.
The district attorney even lied repeatedly to the judge, in open court, when the judge asked whether the DNA evidence supplied was complete.
Thus, DA Nifong is in a world of hurt over this…and is facing disbarment and possible jail time. He claims he just forgot about it, and the talk with the head of the lab…and that it wasn’t suppressing evidence since the defence found out in time, so no one was hurt…so what is the problem.
This is one reason why I think David’s post makes an excellent point here.
The kids family, though upper middle class, are still in debt about 2.5 million for their legal bill (they will sue Durham and maybe Duke). This was well worth it…but they needed powerful legal talent to comb through thousands of pages of records and technical documents to uncover the DA’s dark deeds.
How often does this happen to poor people in America, who can’t fight back?
If the kids had been poor white kids, say on scholarships at Duke, they would now be facing 30-40 years in prison for something they didn’t do.
“Bush never showed mercy in any d.p. case in Texas- and good ol Gonzo never once recommended clemency.”
Yes, Kritter, I agree: Texas has seen a number of troubling cases…not overthetop, like Nifong, but disturbing…particularly as some have involved the DP. In one death penalty case, the defense, a legal aid attorney, had actually fallen asleep in court.
The Durham case really shook me…changing me from a DP support to an opponent of the death penalty…as the checks and balances failed spectacularly to work.
A rogue DA…with assist from a friendly judge…backed by local Black activists, the NAACP, and far left faculty at Duke…with a salviating media horde…almost destroyed 3 innocent lives (Nifong wanted to get re-elected to ensure his pension–said his campaign manager).
Imagine if this were a death penalty case, and the kids didn’t have money. There would be no way, then, to discover the DA’s deeds. After all, all the GOOD people were supporting him.
Yes, Marlowe it is – that’s why celebrities rarely pay the price of their crimes- OJ , Michael Jackson and Robert Blake come to mind. More than a racial bias, justice has a financial bias, because a stellar legal team can create reasonable doubt in a jury’s mind by making the policework look sloppy. A public defender will often just accept a plea bargain.
Nifong disturbs me-but he will be taken care of by the bar assoc. But what of our justice dept, where USA’s no longer have the right to use their own judgement in asking for the DP, but are to ask for it whenever it is legal in their state for the penalty phase???
Marlowe, I looked for you on that thread you linked to about Imus, but you must have been using another name. It reminded me too much of high school so I was unable and unwilling to read the whole thing. I’m supposing it can be summed up in “Imus is a racist and a sexist, whites and males are guilty until proven innocent and anyone who disagrees is a collaborator with the Enemy”.
I have to take exception to “If you want a good example of how progressives view race and gender issues check out this thread.” That’s a little unfair don’t you think? Sorta like saying that if i want to see how conservatives think about Gays I should go check out the Focus on the Family homepage. These are progressive zealots, not simply progressives. Discussion with zealots is all but impossible; the already know they are right, so any and all facts must be directed towards that given conclusion. Mind you, you can have strong opinions without being a zealot; I fully support Gay equal rights, including, naturally, right to marry and adopt, but I can sit down and talk to someone who believes the opposite, as long as that person is willing to speak TO me, not AT me. The people at the thread you showed weren’t having a conversation, despite their claims, but a pep-talk, which you interrupted and were therefore attacked.
Marlowe, I looked for you on that thread you linked to about Imus, but you must have been using another name.
Gahhk! What has my Evil Twin been doing now?
Lynx, I am not sure what you mean…maybe you are confusing me with some other crazed loony?
I don’t think I said much about Imus, largely as I never listen to talk radio wackos (who needs more stress), and so didn’t care so much.
But it is all possible what you say. Work has been mad lately, with clients calling continually…so much of my short-term memory depends upon notes everywhere.
So perhaps you could enlighten me, Lynx, as to what my other personality (damn his eyes!) has been doing?
Oh geez, what a stupid mistake. This is what I get for speed-scrolling. Sorry Marlow, it’s not you at all, but from MichaelF. Very easy to confuse, those two names LOL. Sorry ’bout that.
MichaelF, I DID find you. You really should have known better than to try to have a rational conversation in that nest. I especially enjoyed “Michael, what the F___ do you want from us?” Civilized discourse at it’s best.
Komrad Marlow – If they were 4 black students, 30 or 40 years ago they wouldn’t even have a trial. They would have shared the same fate as Emmitt Till. What I didn’t like was the Hannity stand, he placed his trust in 4 rich white punks over a “sex trade” worker. Many women like the accuser are raped and murdered and the Nancy Grace’s and Hannity’s don’t say a word. Many serial killers target these women because they are socities castoff’s. When a “naive white teen girl” dissappered the world stopped. I don’t recall if Hannity did is show from the beaches of Aruba, definetly won’t see him at the Green River.
I was offended by that too, Rudi- how did he know there was not enough evidence to convict those college kids? His point of view was that Nifong was guilty of misconduct and was playing the situation up for politics-but how did he know that at the beginning?
The real crime was the way the DA rushed the indictments without regard to the real evidence. The accuser was not a credible witness, as her story kept shifting, and her friend was no better. Its pretty disgusting the way the media salivated over every detail- so that the reputations of everybody involved in the case (except the defense attys) was basically ruined. Its bad enough to live through a nightmare like this without seeing and hearing about it nonstop on cable news and am radio. I guess in the end the justice system righted itself, but it was another ugly episode of an ugly racial incident being tried in the media.
I am VERY surprised that David is the first person to comment about the Duke case here at TMV this week.
I have followed this case closely, almost daily, at KC Johnson’s Durham-in-Wonderland.
It has actually changed me from a supporter of the death penalty, to an opponent. Seeing the checks & balances tossed out the window makes clear how easily people can be railroaded.
Nifong had key enablers – a judge (his close friend) who gave him favourable rulings; a far-left faculty at Duke; a media who — as Kritter accurately observes — tried and convicted these kids before any charges were laid!
David makes a very good, and VERY disturbing, point: How often do things like this happen in America…for it was only having top-flight legal talent, and the support of bloggers, that stopped Nifong’s race-baiting railroading.
That said, I must correct a couple of points in David’s post. He is relying on a highly inaccurate account regarding the racial slurs that were hurled at the party. What the feminist blogger he links to leaves out is that the racial slurs were actually initiated by the accuser (this is the account by the other stripper that night), who referred to the players as being shall we say under-endowed white boys, to which the players then responded with their own racial slurs.
Also, the assault conviction David cites regarding one of the accused refers to a fracas in Washington DC. It is generally believed that prosecutors in Washington were in contact with Durham. Anyhow, the lacrosse player in question did not hit, nor was hit by anyone. The presiding judge later “vacated” his assault conviction, meaning there is no criminal record, as he considered the case absurd.
I am not being conspiratorial in re the above. Note, for example, that when an immigrant taxi driver in Durham gave an alibi to one of the accused…Nifong ordered the Durham police to arrest the driver on a long outdated shoplifting warrant. The judge threw the case out of court, recognizing it as intimidation of a witness by the District Attorney.
This was one of the most appalling examples of prosecutorial misconduct in the history of the US…and Nifong almost got away with it…all to get the black vote so he could get elected.
I fully agree with David’s conclusion: what would have happened had this occurred to someone without education, or money?
It surprised me too, Marlowe. I first heard about it on Hannity’s radio show, and so thought that the right was picking sides because the defendents were rich white young men, and the accuser was a young single black mother who stripped for a living. It made me angry at the Right wing media – because I thought that they had no idea what the evidence was- and that they were demogoging for ratings. But, I had to do a 180 when the misconduct charges started surfacing. Its really a shame that a prosecutor would choose to railroad college kids like that. He sounds corrupt and incompetent. He should be disbarred.
Marlowe
[who referred to the players as being shall we say under-endowed white boys, to which the players then responded with their own racial slurs]-
What were they doing with their peckers out? Thats a crime right there!
Kritter: I fully agree with you about the media…except to say it seemed bi-partisan in exploiting this story. Newsweek’s mugshots of the accused on its cover was appalling.
Yes, I hope he will be disbarred. A lot of folks are guilty here, but a scapegoat is needed, and Nifong is very guilty.
But like I said: this case made me into a death penalty opponent.
If the kids didn’t have education and money (even so, they are facing a 3.5 million legal bill) they would be facing 30-40 years in prison.
How many poor kids (including poor Blacks) face such circumstances? It is depressing thinking of it.
Whiteagent said:
Actually, they weren’t out…she was just dissing them.
And is waving a willy a crime in a private dwelling, actually?
Perhaps, Whiteagent, you haven’t enjoyed the masculine “wonderment” that is “300″ yet?
While I enjoyed the movie, I have never seen so much… uhh…masculinity on display…in public, not private. I note in my local paper that gay communities have really adopted this movie. I imagine this summer’s Gay Pride parades in our major cities will have “300″ + naughty bits on full display. How many cops are gonna arrest them?
Kritter said:
Oddly, Kritter, I had the same reaction. Initially, I assumed it was a typical rape involving atheletes at universities…of which there are quite a few, sadly, every year. I thought the whole story was media crap….and that they were guilty.
Then, at some point, I looked closer, and saw what was going on.
Does the media never apologize to its public?
Marlowe- I didn’t mean that I only blamed the Right wing media- I am disgusted by the media’s feeding frenzy over the case- as well as Imus and the Anna Nicole circus. That depresses me.
I only advocate the death penalty in the worst cases- like the DC Sniper case or Son of Sam. Mass murderers who have no soul. But the current justice dept is forcing the death penalty any time its an option on the USA’s-instead of leaving it up to their discretion. That’s depressing too. How can Bush worry about embryos that are going to be discarded anyway, yet force the harshest punishment that he can on criminals (who may have been railroaded). Bush never showed mercy in any d.p. case in Texas- and good ol Gonzo never once recommended clemency.
OK, this is an area where I’m simply ignorant, as, and I’m not pretending, I’ve never been to a strip club or to a party with a stripper.
When I read the accounts of the DNA evidence which helped to exonerate the players, I keep thinking, “why is their ‘DNA’ at all from five different men on this woman?” I have been guessing that it is not common practice for strippers to get covered in multiple men’s… DNA. Even lap dances, which might cause this, are usually done with the customers’ pants on, right? But am I simply naive? Is it in fact customary to have at least five men whipping it our whenever a stripper shows up? And whipping it out on top of a woman’s pelvis? I am not naive enough to not be aware that prostitution often happens with escorts and strippers, but this seems different than that.
So can the more worldly fill me in? This is exceptional, for lack of a better word, correct?
And again I am not saying that the three accused players were involved in any way in this. Some other five unknown men appear to be. Let me know.
followed this case from the start. I noticed several so called “feminist” Bloggers ranting about it early on. I and some others attempted to inject some sanity into the discussion. We were called rape apologist and racists for daring to question the woman’s story. Despite the fact that I predicted how the evidence would go early on, they maintained that the players were guilty regardless of the evidence. At first they pointed to early stories of the victim having been beaten as evidence. They pointed to claims that a sane nurse found
that she had symptoms consistent with being raped. I could go on. But as each piece of evidence fell they changed their logic. Instead of calling on the evidence to prove a point they resorted to saying that the evidence doesn’t prove they accused had lied. It was pathetic. Ultimately they tried to hold on to the notion that Nifong was holding some evidence that we did not know about. These people were like religious zealots simply devoid of logic and reason.
Tonight I was over at one blog discussing the Imus situation. The person who made the post asked if what happened to Imus was enough. I gave a reasoned analysis on why I felt the comments made by Imus were rejected by AmeIrica while the Rutgers players were well received. Everything I said was completely misrepresented. To say the reactions were bizarre would be an understatement. In the end a couple of them were calling for me to be banned. One is actually a college professor. How pathetic is that? If you want a good example of how progressives view race and gender issues check out this thread.
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/04/07/nappy-headed-hos/#comments
Hi, MichaelF, could you explain what you meant in the first paragraph again? You had one sentence, which was “Despite the fact that I predicted how the evidence would go early on….” This sounds like somehow you knew who was lying and who was telling the truth before you heard the evidence as well, which is exactly what you are accusing your arguees of. So I’m assuming this isn’t what you meant?
Not to excuse what happened, but to understand better, we have to remember that this occurred in a community with long standing tensions between the locals and the “priivleged’ college kids.
I don’t think either side was as pure as the driven snow when it came to exchanging insults and such.
I remember some E-mail passages from a Duke team member to the coach being released with pretty ‘liberal’ sexual and racial content.
The stage was set. All that was needed were the actors.
Pacatrue said:
Yes, Pacatrue, this was a key issue.
It was the DNA issue that blew this case out of the water in December, when the head of the DNA lab admitted on the witness stand that the DA asked him to suppress evidence. To be blunt, she had five different men’s DNA in various parts, but none from any of the 46 lacrosse players. The other men’s DNA were from consensual acts.
The DA Nifong realized this would be dynamite, and would be exonerating for the lacrosse players, so he asked that the head of the lab suppress the evidence. It was only in combing through the thousands of pages of info, that the defense uncovered a reference to the test results…prompting a dramatic “Perry Mason” moment on the witness stand, as the head of the DNA lab admitted all.
The district attorney even lied repeatedly to the judge, in open court, when the judge asked whether the DNA evidence supplied was complete.
Thus, DA Nifong is in a world of hurt over this…and is facing disbarment and possible jail time. He claims he just forgot about it, and the talk with the head of the lab…and that it wasn’t suppressing evidence since the defence found out in time, so no one was hurt…so what is the problem.
This is one reason why I think David’s post makes an excellent point here.
The kids family, though upper middle class, are still in debt about 2.5 million for their legal bill (they will sue Durham and maybe Duke). This was well worth it…but they needed powerful legal talent to comb through thousands of pages of records and technical documents to uncover the DA’s dark deeds.
How often does this happen to poor people in America, who can’t fight back?
If the kids had been poor white kids, say on scholarships at Duke, they would now be facing 30-40 years in prison for something they didn’t do.
Kritter said:
Yes, Kritter, I agree: Texas has seen a number of troubling cases…not overthetop, like Nifong, but disturbing…particularly as some have involved the DP. In one death penalty case, the defense, a legal aid attorney, had actually fallen asleep in court.
The Durham case really shook me…changing me from a DP support to an opponent of the death penalty…as the checks and balances failed spectacularly to work.
A rogue DA…with assist from a friendly judge…backed by local Black activists, the NAACP, and far left faculty at Duke…with a salviating media horde…almost destroyed 3 innocent lives (Nifong wanted to get re-elected to ensure his pension–said his campaign manager).
Imagine if this were a death penalty case, and the kids didn’t have money. There would be no way, then, to discover the DA’s deeds. After all, all the GOOD people were supporting him.
Is money the key to justice in the United States?
Marlowe Says: April 13th, 2007 at 7:03 pm
Well wouldn’t know Mar, I’m not gay.
Yes, Marlowe it is – that’s why celebrities rarely pay the price of their crimes- OJ , Michael Jackson and Robert Blake come to mind. More than a racial bias, justice has a financial bias, because a stellar legal team can create reasonable doubt in a jury’s mind by making the policework look sloppy. A public defender will often just accept a plea bargain.
Nifong disturbs me-but he will be taken care of by the bar assoc. But what of our justice dept, where USA’s no longer have the right to use their own judgement in asking for the DP, but are to ask for it whenever it is legal in their state for the penalty phase???
Marlowe, I looked for you on that thread you linked to about Imus, but you must have been using another name. It reminded me too much of high school so I was unable and unwilling to read the whole thing. I’m supposing it can be summed up in “Imus is a racist and a sexist, whites and males are guilty until proven innocent and anyone who disagrees is a collaborator with the Enemy”.
I have to take exception to “If you want a good example of how progressives view race and gender issues check out this thread.” That’s a little unfair don’t you think? Sorta like saying that if i want to see how conservatives think about Gays I should go check out the Focus on the Family homepage. These are progressive zealots, not simply progressives. Discussion with zealots is all but impossible; the already know they are right, so any and all facts must be directed towards that given conclusion. Mind you, you can have strong opinions without being a zealot; I fully support Gay equal rights, including, naturally, right to marry and adopt, but I can sit down and talk to someone who believes the opposite, as long as that person is willing to speak TO me, not AT me. The people at the thread you showed weren’t having a conversation, despite their claims, but a pep-talk, which you interrupted and were therefore attacked.
Lynx said:
Gahhk! What has my Evil Twin been doing now?
Lynx, I am not sure what you mean…maybe you are confusing me with some other crazed loony?
I don’t think I said much about Imus, largely as I never listen to talk radio wackos (who needs more stress), and so didn’t care so much.
But it is all possible what you say. Work has been mad lately, with clients calling continually…so much of my short-term memory depends upon notes everywhere.
So perhaps you could enlighten me, Lynx, as to what my other personality (damn his eyes!) has been doing?
Whiteagent said:
Didn’t imply that you were, man. Hope you didn’t get that impression.
Not, of course, that there is anything wrong with that.
Nor that there is anything wrong with not being gay.
Nor with being celibate (must remember that).
There…covered all the bases…hopefully no one will be suing us now.
Oh geez, what a stupid mistake. This is what I get for speed-scrolling. Sorry Marlow, it’s not you at all, but from MichaelF. Very easy to confuse, those two names LOL. Sorry ’bout that.
MichaelF, I DID find you. You really should have known better than to try to have a rational conversation in that nest. I especially enjoyed “Michael, what the F___ do you want from us?” Civilized discourse at it’s best.
Komrad Marlow – If they were 4 black students, 30 or 40 years ago they wouldn’t even have a trial. They would have shared the same fate as Emmitt Till. What I didn’t like was the Hannity stand, he placed his trust in 4 rich white punks over a “sex trade” worker. Many women like the accuser are raped and murdered and the Nancy Grace’s and Hannity’s don’t say a word. Many serial killers target these women because they are socities castoff’s. When a “naive white teen girl” dissappered the world stopped. I don’t recall if Hannity did is show from the beaches of Aruba, definetly won’t see him at the Green River.
I was offended by that too, Rudi- how did he know there was not enough evidence to convict those college kids? His point of view was that Nifong was guilty of misconduct and was playing the situation up for politics-but how did he know that at the beginning?