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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, for the last time (really):

(a) - Juan Cole disseminates demonstrably fantastically false material, some of which he should know is false.
(b) - I don&#039;t trust him, because of that.
(c) - Because I don&#039;t trust him, I don&#039;t accept any of what he writes because I cannot rely on him to be truthful.

As to the Bush administration, it&#039;s one thing to be wrong because of honest mistakes (yes I believe his mistakes, and he has definitely made them, are honest ones) and another to be deliberately and/or maliciously wrong, as is the case with Cole based on all the sources I trust.

I&#039;m sorry if that escapes you.  It really is a straighforward and fundamental concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, for the last time (really):</p>
<p>(a) &#8211; Juan Cole disseminates demonstrably fantastically false material, some of which he should know is false.<br />
(b) &#8211; I don&#8217;t trust him, because of that.<br />
(c) &#8211; Because I don&#8217;t trust him, I don&#8217;t accept any of what he writes because I cannot rely on him to be truthful.</p>
<p>As to the Bush administration, it&#8217;s one thing to be wrong because of honest mistakes (yes I believe his mistakes, and he has definitely made them, are honest ones) and another to be deliberately and/or maliciously wrong, as is the case with Cole based on all the sources I trust.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry if that escapes you.  It really is a straighforward and fundamental concept.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12138/should-we-withdraw-from-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-73013</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;#  Kevin H Says:
April 13th, 2007 at 9:54 am

    â€œNow whoâ€™s making ad hominid attacks?â€? I backed everything up with references. I wasnâ€™t â€˜just calling namesâ€™.

No, your saying the article under discussion is worthless because of the author.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

NO, I&#039;m saying his opinion is worthless because it is wrong, and HENCE because of his resulting bad reputation, BASED ON HIS PENTIENT FOR EXECRABLE MATERIAL, I don&#039;t accept anything he says.  Are you really that unable to make the connection, or are you just hoping you can fool some of those who read what you write into not seeing it?

&lt;strong&gt;Read the links I provided for the comment you don&#039;t like.  
http://decision08.blogspot.com/2005/07/weekly-jackass-number-thirty-five-juan.html
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http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17422
(...as well as ALL the others I have provided in other comments). They have the facts I base my assessment of him on.  Deal with what they say before you make any more superficial criticisms.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>#  Kevin H Says:<br />
April 13th, 2007 at 9:54 am</p>
<p>    â€œNow whoâ€™s making ad hominid attacks?â€? I backed everything up with references. I wasnâ€™t â€˜just calling namesâ€™.</p>
<p>No, your saying the article under discussion is worthless because of the author.</p></blockquote>
<p>NO, I&#8217;m saying his opinion is worthless because it is wrong, and HENCE because of his resulting bad reputation, BASED ON HIS PENTIENT FOR EXECRABLE MATERIAL, I don&#8217;t accept anything he says.  Are you really that unable to make the connection, or are you just hoping you can fool some of those who read what you write into not seeing it?</p>
<p><strong>Read the links I provided for the comment you don&#8217;t like.<br />
<a href="http://decision08.blogspot.com/2005/07/weekly-jackass-number-thirty-five-juan.html" rel="nofollow">http://decision08.blogspot.com/2005/07/weekly-jackass-number-thirty-five-juan.html</a><br />
&#8212; sorry, the first link didn&#8217;t get enterred correctly, and should have been &#8212;<br />
<a href="http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17422" rel="nofollow">http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17422</a><br />
(&#8230;as well as ALL the others I have provided in other comments). They have the facts I base my assessment of him on.  Deal with what they say before you make any more superficial criticisms.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is not wise to trust someone who is often really wrong.&lt;/blockquote&gt;So obviously, you don&#039;t trust this administration....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is not wise to trust someone who is often really wrong.</p></blockquote>
<p>So obviously, you don&#8217;t trust this administration&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I donâ€™t have time to check EVERYTHING he says.&lt;/blockquote&gt;You seem to have plenty of time to make thoughtless rants....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I donâ€™t have time to check EVERYTHING he says.</p></blockquote>
<p>You seem to have plenty of time to make thoughtless rants&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œNow whoâ€™s making ad hominid attacks?â€? I backed everything up with references. I wasnâ€™t â€˜just calling namesâ€™.&lt;/blockquote&gt;No, your saying the article under discussion is worthless because of the author.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>â€œNow whoâ€™s making ad hominid attacks?â€? I backed everything up with references. I wasnâ€™t â€˜just calling namesâ€™.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, your saying the article under discussion is worthless because of the author.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Final, to Kevin H, and others who think as he does.

Would you go swimming in alligator or piraÃ±a infested waters?  You know, maybe there aren&#039;t any around THIS time.  If you wouldn&#039;t, then why would you rely on material written by someone with a history of spreading falsehood as truth.  If you think you are smart enough to catch him when he&#039;s wrong, you are fooling yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Final, to Kevin H, and others who think as he does.</p>
<p>Would you go swimming in alligator or piraÃ±a infested waters?  You know, maybe there aren&#8217;t any around THIS time.  If you wouldn&#8217;t, then why would you rely on material written by someone with a history of spreading falsehood as truth.  If you think you are smart enough to catch him when he&#8217;s wrong, you are fooling yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KevinH

&lt;strong&gt;&quot;little slide show&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;????  Your two OUT OF CONTEXT pictures are a &quot;slide show&quot; that wouldn&#039;t even fool a bright grade-schooler. Sheikh Palazzi has tons of material with references. His much more extensive &quot;slide show&quot; is just visual IN CONTEXT supporting material.  And his collection of references is the most complete on the web. Evidentally you didn&#039;t bother looking at any, or couldn&#039;t understand those you did.  One has to have standards for scholarship.  When someone doesn&#039;t, it makes it a lot easier for a Juan Cole to fool him.

&lt;strong&gt;&quot;Now whoâ€™s making ad hominid attacks?&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;  I backed everything up with references.  I wasn&#039;t &#039;just calling names&#039;.

&lt;strong&gt;&quot;If you donâ€™t like his article point to where he is at odd with the facts in that particular article. Just because he was an idiot before doesnâ€™t mean heâ€™s an idiot now.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

You are missing the point. If he has a pattern of dissembling, he is worse than unreliable.  I can&#039;t trust him, even if he is accidentally correct at times.  I don&#039;t have time to check EVERYTHING he says.  And if something he says is wrong, or deliberately missleading, I might not pick up on that.  It is not wise to trust someone who is often really wrong.  It is foolish to ever trust a person for whom truth isn&#039;t their gold-standard, even if they can be shown to be correct about some things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KevinH</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;little slide show&#8221;</strong>????  Your two OUT OF CONTEXT pictures are a &#8220;slide show&#8221; that wouldn&#8217;t even fool a bright grade-schooler. Sheikh Palazzi has tons of material with references. His much more extensive &#8220;slide show&#8221; is just visual IN CONTEXT supporting material.  And his collection of references is the most complete on the web. Evidentally you didn&#8217;t bother looking at any, or couldn&#8217;t understand those you did.  One has to have standards for scholarship.  When someone doesn&#8217;t, it makes it a lot easier for a Juan Cole to fool him.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Now whoâ€™s making ad hominid attacks?&#8221;</strong>  I backed everything up with references.  I wasn&#8217;t &#8216;just calling names&#8217;.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;If you donâ€™t like his article point to where he is at odd with the facts in that particular article. Just because he was an idiot before doesnâ€™t mean heâ€™s an idiot now.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>You are missing the point. If he has a pattern of dissembling, he is worse than unreliable.  I can&#8217;t trust him, even if he is accidentally correct at times.  I don&#8217;t have time to check EVERYTHING he says.  And if something he says is wrong, or deliberately missleading, I might not pick up on that.  It is not wise to trust someone who is often really wrong.  It is foolish to ever trust a person for whom truth isn&#8217;t their gold-standard, even if they can be shown to be correct about some things.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Rudi Says: &lt;em&gt;&quot;CaptainsQuarter, Volokhl Conspiracy or Balkinaztion are respectable Right leaning sights, . . .&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
April 13th, 2007 at 7:08 am &lt;/blockquote&gt; (The others are also reliable but for the moment I&#039;ll only consider what you will accept.)

So, let&#039;s see where that takes us.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://volokh.com/posts/1107009094.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;volokh?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 

&lt;strong&gt;Balkinization?&lt;/strong&gt; - couldn&#039;t find anything on Cole there.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/006827.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Captain&#039;s Quarters?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

So, that&#039;s two negative, and one which (conveniently for you) provides no information.

The sum is definitely negative.  There may not be enough info there to get a complete sense of the malice that Cole exudes, but there is sufficient to see it is definitely there.

If what I&#039;ve provided up to now doesn&#039;t change your mind, I see no need to waste any more time trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Rudi Says: <em>&#8220;CaptainsQuarter, Volokhl Conspiracy or Balkinaztion are respectable Right leaning sights, . . .&#8221;</em><br />
April 13th, 2007 at 7:08 am </p></blockquote>
<p> (The others are also reliable but for the moment I&#8217;ll only consider what you will accept.)</p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s see where that takes us.</p>
<p><a href="http://volokh.com/posts/1107009094.shtml" rel="nofollow"><strong>volokh?</strong></a> </p>
<p><strong>Balkinization?</strong> &#8211; couldn&#8217;t find anything on Cole there.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/006827.php" rel="nofollow"><strong>Captain&#8217;s Quarters?</strong></a></p>
<p>So, that&#8217;s two negative, and one which (conveniently for you) provides no information.</p>
<p>The sum is definitely negative.  There may not be enough info there to get a complete sense of the malice that Cole exudes, but there is sufficient to see it is definitely there.</p>
<p>If what I&#8217;ve provided up to now doesn&#8217;t change your mind, I see no need to waste any more time trying.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yanson, do you really think the little slide show of Nazis shaking hands with Muslims, and throwing in a few random shots of 9/11 mean anything more than &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.intellexual.net/images/saddam-rumsfeld.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://johnbatchelorshow.com/admin/allsource/exampleimages/Bush%20Abdullah%20walk.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;? They are all meaningless.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Cole is an anti-Semitic conspiricy theorist whoâ€™s statements are frequently at odds with the facts, and apparently with malice of forethought.

AND YOU TRUST THIS MAN WITH YOUR MIND?!! &lt;/blockquote&gt;Now who&#039;s making ad hominid attacks? If you don&#039;t like his article point to where he is at odd with the facts in that particular article. Just because he was an idiot before doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s an idiot now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yanson, do you really think the little slide show of Nazis shaking hands with Muslims, and throwing in a few random shots of 9/11 mean anything more than <a href="http://www.intellexual.net/images/saddam-rumsfeld.jpg" rel="nofollow">this</a> or <a href="http://johnbatchelorshow.com/admin/allsource/exampleimages/Bush%20Abdullah%20walk.jpg" rel="nofollow">this</a>? They are all meaningless.</p>
<blockquote><p>Cole is an anti-Semitic conspiricy theorist whoâ€™s statements are frequently at odds with the facts, and apparently with malice of forethought.</p>
<p>AND YOU TRUST THIS MAN WITH YOUR MIND?!! </p></blockquote>
<p>Now who&#8217;s making ad hominid attacks? If you don&#8217;t like his article point to where he is at odd with the facts in that particular article. Just because he was an idiot before doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s an idiot now.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudi

&quot;He [Juan Cole] is &lt;strong&gt;blindly anti-Israel to the point of supporting anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, an apologist for radical Islam, and someone who despises America and its citizens.&lt;/strong&gt;&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1782&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;)

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Cole suffers from many other common Arabist misconceptions that deeply prejudice and compromise his writing. &lt;strong&gt;Having done hardly any independent research on the twentieth-century Middle East, Cole&#039;s analysis of this era is essentially derivative&lt;/strong&gt;, echoing the conventional wisdom among Arabists and Orientalists regarding Islamic and Arab history, the creation of the modern Middle East in the wake of World War I, and its relations with the outside world. Worse, &lt;strong&gt;Cole&#039;s discussion of U.S. foreign policy frequently veers toward conspiratorial anti-Semitism. This is hardly the &quot;informed&quot; commentary Cole claims it to b&lt;/strong&gt;e.&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:Q5HDC8MTta0J:tnr.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi%3D20050425%26s%3Dkarsh042505+%22juan+cole%27s%22&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=3&amp;gl=us&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;) &lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://jeffweintraub.blogspot.com/2006/05/juan-coles-iran-distortions.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeff Weintraub&lt;/a&gt; is relatively kind when he says &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;. . . I have genuine respect for Juan Cole and regard him as an intellectually and morally serious person. For what it&#039;s worth, I have also defended him against accusations that I thought were unfair. But he is making it difficult for those of us who would like to continue doing so. &lt;strong&gt;Cole&#039;s recent apologetics for the actions and statements of the Iranian regime have become increasingly strained, misleading, irresponsible, and difficult to take seriously.&lt;/strong&gt; I am afraid that Hitchens&#039;s criticisms of Cole in this piece are entirely deserved.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Cole is an anti-Semitic conspiricy theorist who&#039;s statements are frequently at odds &lt;a href=&quot;http://http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17422&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; with the facts&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://decision08.blogspot.com/2005/07/weekly-jackass-number-thirty-five-juan.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;and apparently with malice of forethought&lt;/a&gt;.

AND YOU TRUST THIS MAN WITH YOUR MIND?!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudi</p>
<p>&#8220;He [Juan Cole] is <strong>blindly anti-Israel to the point of supporting anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, an apologist for radical Islam, and someone who despises America and its citizens.</strong>&#8221; (<a href="http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1782" rel="nofollow">link</a>)</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Cole suffers from many other common Arabist misconceptions that deeply prejudice and compromise his writing. <strong>Having done hardly any independent research on the twentieth-century Middle East, Cole&#8217;s analysis of this era is essentially derivative</strong>, echoing the conventional wisdom among Arabists and Orientalists regarding Islamic and Arab history, the creation of the modern Middle East in the wake of World War I, and its relations with the outside world. Worse, <strong>Cole&#8217;s discussion of U.S. foreign policy frequently veers toward conspiratorial anti-Semitism. This is hardly the &#8220;informed&#8221; commentary Cole claims it to b</strong>e.&#8221; (<a href="http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:Q5HDC8MTta0J:tnr.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi%3D20050425%26s%3Dkarsh042505+%22juan+cole%27s%22&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=3&amp;gl=us" rel="nofollow">link</a>) </p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://jeffweintraub.blogspot.com/2006/05/juan-coles-iran-distortions.html" rel="nofollow">Jeff Weintraub</a> is relatively kind when he says<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;. . . I have genuine respect for Juan Cole and regard him as an intellectually and morally serious person. For what it&#8217;s worth, I have also defended him against accusations that I thought were unfair. But he is making it difficult for those of us who would like to continue doing so. <strong>Cole&#8217;s recent apologetics for the actions and statements of the Iranian regime have become increasingly strained, misleading, irresponsible, and difficult to take seriously.</strong> I am afraid that Hitchens&#8217;s criticisms of Cole in this piece are entirely deserved.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Cole is an anti-Semitic conspiricy theorist who&#8217;s statements are frequently at odds <a href="http://http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17422" rel="nofollow"> with the facts</a>, <a href="http://decision08.blogspot.com/2005/07/weekly-jackass-number-thirty-five-juan.html" rel="nofollow">and apparently with malice of forethought</a>.</p>
<p>AND YOU TRUST THIS MAN WITH YOUR MIND?!!</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And another thing, Rudi, do you thing the Muslim Sheikh I reference is also a &quot;KoolAid drinker?&quot;  Do you question his knowledge of the &quot;Muslim Brotherhood&quot; which is a terrorist organization, and with whose leaders the Democrat leadership is conspiring with against our nation?

If you have some deeper knowledge of Islam or world history than &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19444&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sheikh Palazzi,&lt;/a&gt; by all means enlighten us.  

Just stop the name calling, unless you can CLEARLY show WHY it&#039;s appropriate.  You see, when I call some of the Left&#039;s people &quot;KoolAid drinkers&quot; it&#039;s because they have a demonstrably long history of being unreliable, and often deliberately so.  On the other hand, when someone uses that term solely because that&#039;s the only way he thinks he can discredit his opponent, that&#039;s simply puerile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another thing, Rudi, do you thing the Muslim Sheikh I reference is also a &#8220;KoolAid drinker?&#8221;  Do you question his knowledge of the &#8220;Muslim Brotherhood&#8221; which is a terrorist organization, and with whose leaders the Democrat leadership is conspiring with against our nation?</p>
<p>If you have some deeper knowledge of Islam or world history than <a href="http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19444" rel="nofollow">Sheikh Palazzi,</a> by all means enlighten us.  </p>
<p>Just stop the name calling, unless you can CLEARLY show WHY it&#8217;s appropriate.  You see, when I call some of the Left&#8217;s people &#8220;KoolAid drinkers&#8221; it&#8217;s because they have a demonstrably long history of being unreliable, and often deliberately so.  On the other hand, when someone uses that term solely because that&#8217;s the only way he thinks he can discredit his opponent, that&#8217;s simply puerile.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juan Cole is an academic pro-Arab who is hated by the Right for his views. He  publishes acadenic articles that are evaluated by his peers, Pammy does webvideos with her kids LOL. To  use Pammy as a link is just as biased or absurd as Michael Moore. CaptainsQuarter, Volokhl Conspiracy or Balkinaztion are respectable Right leaning sights, Pammy and LittleDebbieSchussel are just embarressing to the Goreosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juan Cole is an academic pro-Arab who is hated by the Right for his views. He  publishes acadenic articles that are evaluated by his peers, Pammy does webvideos with her kids LOL. To  use Pammy as a link is just as biased or absurd as Michael Moore. CaptainsQuarter, Volokhl Conspiracy or Balkinaztion are respectable Right leaning sights, Pammy and LittleDebbieSchussel are just embarressing to the Goreosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12138/should-we-withdraw-from-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-72921</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;yonason links to Pammy at AtlasShrugs, LOL the KoolAid drinkers are out again&quot;&lt;/em&gt; -- rudi

Can you say &quot;ad hominem?&quot;

Yes, I reference people I have found to be reliably accurate, not people who present clever but meaningless theoretical nonsense.  Sometimes my refs are wrong, but it&#039;s a lot less often than those on the Left and as far as I can determine, it is never deliberate (if I thought it were, I would stop referencing them). 

When I say Juan Cole is a liar (or at least amazingly deluded) I can back it up, as I have above.  When you attack my references, you just call them names.  That says a lot about the quality of your arguments.

So, come on, Rudi, give me something factual.  Go ahead, make my day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;yonason links to Pammy at AtlasShrugs, LOL the KoolAid drinkers are out again&#8221;</em> &#8212; rudi</p>
<p>Can you say &#8220;ad hominem?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, I reference people I have found to be reliably accurate, not people who present clever but meaningless theoretical nonsense.  Sometimes my refs are wrong, but it&#8217;s a lot less often than those on the Left and as far as I can determine, it is never deliberate (if I thought it were, I would stop referencing them). </p>
<p>When I say Juan Cole is a liar (or at least amazingly deluded) I can back it up, as I have above.  When you attack my references, you just call them names.  That says a lot about the quality of your arguments.</p>
<p>So, come on, Rudi, give me something factual.  Go ahead, make my day.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This area can achieve peace.  However equilibrium must be allowed to take hold and Im afraid that is wholesale civil war in Iraq.  Sad but there it is.  Its gonna happen.  

The sane, wise thing for the USA to do is not pull out but to redeploy our forces away from the battles that will rage and to protect the borders in efforts to prevent influx of these so called &quot;Freedom Fighters&quot; into Iraq.

What the antiwar seems to be raging against I guess is the deaths of Iraqis. Yet it is Muslims killing Muslims.  Not Americans killing all these people.  Car bombs are not detonated by Americans.  So I fail to understand why redeploying our troops into defensive and interdiction modes is so offensive to them.

We can do this and still cut the troops about in half and give our forces a much needed rest and break.  All this and still maintain a presence in the middle east that will hopefully prevent a civil war that engulfs the entire Middle east.
 
This is beyond saving Bushs legacy.  The antiwar has already destroyed that with a great deal of help from him and his cronies.  To me this is about saving America&#039;s legacy and ensuring your kids and grandchildren have a better place to call Earth.

It is perfectly acceptable for the left to want to tackle Global warming 100 years before it happens.  Why is it not okay to tackle Terrorism 100 years before the Jihad becomes a worldwide civil war?

Ill make a deal with you.  I will fight against Global warming if you fight against Jihad terrorism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This area can achieve peace.  However equilibrium must be allowed to take hold and Im afraid that is wholesale civil war in Iraq.  Sad but there it is.  Its gonna happen.  </p>
<p>The sane, wise thing for the USA to do is not pull out but to redeploy our forces away from the battles that will rage and to protect the borders in efforts to prevent influx of these so called &#8220;Freedom Fighters&#8221; into Iraq.</p>
<p>What the antiwar seems to be raging against I guess is the deaths of Iraqis. Yet it is Muslims killing Muslims.  Not Americans killing all these people.  Car bombs are not detonated by Americans.  So I fail to understand why redeploying our troops into defensive and interdiction modes is so offensive to them.</p>
<p>We can do this and still cut the troops about in half and give our forces a much needed rest and break.  All this and still maintain a presence in the middle east that will hopefully prevent a civil war that engulfs the entire Middle east.</p>
<p>This is beyond saving Bushs legacy.  The antiwar has already destroyed that with a great deal of help from him and his cronies.  To me this is about saving America&#8217;s legacy and ensuring your kids and grandchildren have a better place to call Earth.</p>
<p>It is perfectly acceptable for the left to want to tackle Global warming 100 years before it happens.  Why is it not okay to tackle Terrorism 100 years before the Jihad becomes a worldwide civil war?</p>
<p>Ill make a deal with you.  I will fight against Global warming if you fight against Jihad terrorism.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yonason links to Pammy at AtlasShrugs, LOL the KoolAid drinkers are out again. Check the RNC or Hannity for your latest talking points:-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yonason links to Pammy at AtlasShrugs, LOL the KoolAid drinkers are out again. Check the RNC or Hannity for your latest talking points:-P</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12138/should-we-withdraw-from-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-72846</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the undermining of America goes on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015966.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;from within the innermost sanctum&lt;/a&gt;.

For those who have studied ancient history, they will perhaps recognize history&#039;s repitition, wherein a mighty nation undoes itself, may they fail this time.

For more on the &quot;Muslim Brotherhood&quot; and their, uh, &#039;friends&#039;, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://tellchildrenthetruth.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the undermining of America goes on <a href="http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015966.php" rel="nofollow">from within the innermost sanctum</a>.</p>
<p>For those who have studied ancient history, they will perhaps recognize history&#8217;s repitition, wherein a mighty nation undoes itself, may they fail this time.</p>
<p>For more on the &#8220;Muslim Brotherhood&#8221; and their, uh, &#8216;friends&#8217;, see <a href="http://tellchildrenthetruth.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12138/should-we-withdraw-from-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-72841</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;mikkel Says:
April 12th, 2007 at 8:18 pm

Is General Odom â€œworking for the enemyâ€? as well?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015401.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Apparently so.&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.historycentral.com/Revolt/arnold.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Benedict Arnold&lt;/a&gt; was a general, too.  And, except for the little matter of treason, he was also a pretty darn good one.

Don&#039;t look at the trees, mikkel, look at the forest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;mikkel Says:<br />
April 12th, 2007 at 8:18 pm</p>
<p>Is General Odom â€œworking for the enemyâ€? as well?&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015401.php" rel="nofollow">Apparently so.</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.historycentral.com/Revolt/arnold.html" rel="nofollow">Benedict Arnold</a> was a general, too.  And, except for the little matter of treason, he was also a pretty darn good one.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t look at the trees, mikkel, look at the forest.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Ths little adventure in ignorance is destroying out nation. Period.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; -- &quot;WhiteAgent&quot;

No, W.A., it&#039;s the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heritage.org/Press/Events/ev030507a.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democrat front&lt;/a&gt; of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://cassandra2004.blogspot.com/search/label/Democrat%20fifth%20column&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Leftist fifth-column&lt;/a&gt; that&#039;s bringing that about.

If they would start working for America&#039;s success, and stop their obstructionism, things would rapidly improve.  Unfortuantely, they are so invested in defeat, that isn&#039;t likely any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Ths little adventure in ignorance is destroying out nation. Period.&#8221;</em> &#8212; &#8220;WhiteAgent&#8221;</p>
<p>No, W.A., it&#8217;s the <a href="http://www.heritage.org/Press/Events/ev030507a.cfm" rel="nofollow">Democrat front</a> of the <a href="http://cassandra2004.blogspot.com/search/label/Democrat%20fifth%20column" rel="nofollow">Leftist fifth-column</a> that&#8217;s bringing that about.</p>
<p>If they would start working for America&#8217;s success, and stop their obstructionism, things would rapidly improve.  Unfortuantely, they are so invested in defeat, that isn&#8217;t likely any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: mikkel</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12138/should-we-withdraw-from-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-72838</link>
		<dc:creator>mikkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign-affairs/12138/should-we-withdraw-from-iraq/#comment-72838</guid>
		<description>Is &lt;a href=&quot;http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/Transcript_Page.aspx?ContentGuid=d7f52e21-cf46-4115-b397-ed1dc70fcdab&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;General Odom&lt;/a&gt; &quot;working for the enemy&quot; as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is <a href="http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/Transcript_Page.aspx?ContentGuid=d7f52e21-cf46-4115-b397-ed1dc70fcdab" rel="nofollow">General Odom</a> &#8220;working for the enemy&#8221; as well?</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 04:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it disturbing that Jeb is so easily persuaded by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.buzzmachine.com/archives/2004_12_14.html#008665&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; pond scum&lt;/a&gt;.  I hope he (or at least his readers) learn how to discern who is hoodwinking whom, before it&#039;s too late.

Look, Jeb, Iraq isn&#039;t going great.  But, it is important to finish the job there, because leaving early will only strenghten our enemies.  Of course, with &lt;a href=&quot;http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2007/04/the_democratic_.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;so many Democrats&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/001082.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;working for the enemy&lt;/a&gt;, it might not make much difference either way.  But the blame for that lies with them, not Bush or the &quot;neocons.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it disturbing that Jeb is so easily persuaded by <a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/archives/2004_12_14.html#008665" rel="nofollow"> pond scum</a>.  I hope he (or at least his readers) learn how to discern who is hoodwinking whom, before it&#8217;s too late.</p>
<p>Look, Jeb, Iraq isn&#8217;t going great.  But, it is important to finish the job there, because leaving early will only strenghten our enemies.  Of course, with <a href="http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2007/04/the_democratic_.html" rel="nofollow">so many Democrats</a> <a href="http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/001082.html" rel="nofollow">working for the enemy</a>, it might not make much difference either way.  But the blame for that lies with them, not Bush or the &#8220;neocons.&#8221;</p>
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