Now you can try to convince me that Germany was no threat to America if you want had we not ENGAGED in the fight, but if you seriously believe that then I repeat, I do want what your smoking.

Now you’re just distorting my argument. I never argued that Germany was threat to America. What I argued was:

Nazi Germany was far more powerful than today’s Muslim terrorists, and yet were never in any danger of being taken over and being forced to speak German.

Germany had neither the manpower nor the resources to take over the United States. At no point did the German come close to occupying even a single American town, much less the entire country.

Those things are against the law. They violate laws and mores of the United States of America. They are in fact Illegal.

The Justice department going after these things is what they are SUPPOSED to do. The Justice department does not make laws. It enforces them.

Gawd. You and your agenda of Legalizing drugs, porn and every other silly Illegal activity because somehow in your Libertarian view that America is violating your constitutional law is at least providing comic relief to a nation embittered by a war that has to be fought.

Nobody,

Show me the passage in the Constitution that grants the federal government the power to ban drugs, bongs, or pornography.

You’re not going to find it, because such a passage doesn’t exist.

You seem to think that because we’re at war, defending the Constitution isn’t a priority. But war or no war, the president and every member of congress has sworn to uphold and protect the Constitution. Our civil liberties don’t suddenly become expendable just because we’re at war.

Birthrates have reached a historic and prolonged low in European countries, from Italy and Germany to Poland and the Czech Republic, straining pension plans and depleting the work force across the Continent.

The number of elderly already exceeds the number of young people in many countries, and the European Union’s executive arm, alarmed by the trend, estimates that the bloc will have a shortfall of 20 million workers by 2030 if the low birthrates persist.

“Having children here is expensive, and there is no structure: no services, no baby-sitting,” said Heitmankova, who is on maternity leave. “It would be nice if there were still nurseries, like when I was a child,” she said, referring to free Communist-era day care centers.

sounds like a depressing scenario to me….LOL.

Lynx my apologies for not editing my post. I said western Europeans. Now I can see how you might be upset. I meant all of Europe including all of the former USSR countries now struggling with their survival.

Sorry I meant Europe, not Western Europe even though Western Europe is included in my thesis.

From the Brookings Institute. A center LEFT think tank.

I simply point to the exercise in socialism as having brought upon Europeans harder times in low productivity, high unemployment, lower wages, higher taxes and social digression. With these things in combination choosing to have fewer kids is in fact support for the depression theory. Depression instills a bad connotation so let me change that to defeatism. Europeans say whats the point of having 2 kids or 3. Lets just have 1. That is defeatism. Its hard therefore dont try or dont do it. Again it is the social, moral and financial climate in Europe that is instilling in Europeans this “whats the point attitude.”

But my post was not meant to imply that the take over by Muslims will occur in our lifetimes but perhaps in our childrens. Can you argue that if left unchecked the continual migration of Muslims into Europe along with disproportionate birthrates (IE Europeans only having one child as opposed to Muslim birth rates in Europe that is 3.1) will not impose a very dire social crisis in the next 50 to 70 years?

Me and many like me are claiming it will and it is.

Those things are against the law. They violate laws and mores of the United States of America. They are in fact Illegal.

The Justice department going after these things is what they are SUPPOSED to do. The Justice department does not make laws. It enforces them.

Gawd. You and your agenda of Legalizing drugs, porn and every other silly Illegal activity because somehow in your Libertarian view that America is violating your constitutional law is at least providing comic relief to a nation embittered by a war that has to be fought.

But Gee I don’t know Nic we all then know that these fundamentalist whacko Islamic terrorists surely support your version of society. I suggest they do not. That was the entire point of my post.

All I tried to say is that Im sorry but like it or not its the lefts social agenda and not the rights that has the bad guys pissed off. I understand there is more to it then social agendas but this debate has been about social agendas.

Deal with it. Its the facts. Now you can try to convince me that Germany was no threat to America if you want had we not ENGAGED in the fight, but if you seriously believe that then I repeat, I do want what your smoking.

The logic is highly twisted, but it’s in there somewhere. It’s sort of like if someone starts hitting you on the street and eventually you hit back, then when the fight ends the attacker accuses you of being violent.

Nobody, I suggest you do not speak of that which you do not understand. Europe has low birth rates yes, but it has nothing to do with us being “depressed” and it certainly has nothing to do with the fact we can send our children to the doctor for free (yes it’s clear how that would discourage forming families isn’t it?). The reasons are varied and complex, and have a lot to do with raised expectations of parents. Parents would rather raise one child that goes to college and becomes a doctor than 4 that, being harder to raise, will have a more difficult future. It’s a difficult issue, and immigration makes it tougher, but we are:

a- Nowhere near a Muslim takeover of Europe. They have influence disproportional to their numbers because of PC, which IS a threat.

b-Plenty of immigrants are not Muslims and create some of the same issues. Spain for instance has a huge latino population that “breeds”, as you put it, at alarming rates.

Like I said you just have your priorties in the wrong order. Youd rather look at porn, buy bongs, do drugs, burn the flag and not breed then fight terrorism. And your challenging my credibility?

Nobody,

You have it exactly backwards. It was the Republicans who brought these issues up during the last six years. Not Democrats. Not Greens. Not Libertarians. Republicans.

Are you willing to concede that it was Republicans in Congress and Republican-led Judicial Department that brought these issues up?

Well its cute and funny and all but really you should read up on the cultural events taking place in Western Europe before you start branding something you are totally unfamiliar with as the joke of the day.

The breeding habits of western Europeans are being questioned and in fact the governments are trying to figure out ways to encourage more BREEDING, because the socialism that you want here in America has depressed the hell out of their citizens to the point they don’t want to have children.

You might find this amazing but Conservatives read books too. I can hear the collective gasp amonst the liberals here, but its true. We do read. Why just last week I finished my first Jack N Jill Book but was disappointed because it was written by the new liberal politically correct book burners.

It was attacked by Nazi Germany (such as shipping off the East Coast).

> or the Soviet Union.

The Soviet Union had the ability to destroy the USA and was paranoid.

Or at least to provide enough future taxpayers to help assuage the coming welfare-state disasters in Europe that will outdo ours in the States?

http://www.cesifo-group.de/portal/page?_pageid=36,105333&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL&item_link=ifostimme-GoetheInstitut-01-06.htm

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1934571,00.html

http://www.ces.fas.harvard.edu/conferences/bismarck/docs/pdf/hinrichs.pdf

http://www.mosnews.com/feature/2006/09/18/childlesstax.shtml

Nazi Germany swallowed continental Europe and was advancing to the Urals, in case you forgot basic history. Had it seized Middle East oil rather than gamble on Russia, it could have won the great chess match in the Old World like a python instead of a tiger.

(nationalism)

Sorry to hear that Nic. Its what nature intended for all species to do. Mr. Politically correct Nic. We all Procreate. We all Breed. We are what we are. Sexual Beings.

I response, I wrote that the Muslim Terrorists who wish us harm are not nearly as strong as Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union and that we were never in any danger of being taken over by either of those two countries?

And I still want what your smoking if you believed this ludicrous statement. Its about the dumbest thing I’ve heard someone say in a long time. Yeah we should have just stayed at home and figured out how to grow more marijuana and hang out with the homies while the world burnt cause of course we were in no danger. Silly me what was I and about 3 billion other people thinking.

These last six years, Republicans in Congress have been trying to ban gay marriage and flag burning while Republicans in the Justice Department have been going after people who grow medical marijuana in states where its legal, sell bongs over the internet, and distribute pornography across state lines…

Like I said you just have your priorties in the wrong order. Youd rather look at porn, buy bongs, do drugs, burn the flag and not breed then fight terrorism. And your challenging my credibility?

These last six years, Republicans in Congress have been trying to ban gay marriage and flag burning while Republicans in the Justice Department have been going after people who grow medical marijuana in states where its legal, sell bongs over the internet, and distribute pornography across state lines…

yet it’s those of us who oppose the war who have our priorities screwed up.

Astounding.

Much as America is slowly becoming Hispanic due to the massive influx of Mexicans along with the breeding habits of the catholic Mexicans who do not believe in Birth control.

Nobody,

I just happen to be Hispanic, Nobody, and I tell you that I don’t “breed.”

What little credibility you had, you lost with that comment.

I said that that the United States was never in any danger of being taken over by Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union.

I didn’t say anything about Yugoslavia.

I didn’t anything about Bulgaria.

I didn’t say anything about Poland.

You’re bringing these countries up as a straw man argument in order to evade my argument.

You wrote:

For what good will Gay and Abortion rights be if we are all living under the thumbs of totalitarin Fundamentalist Muslim rulers?

I response, I wrote that the Muslim Terrorists who wish us harm are not nearly as strong as Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union and that we were never in any danger of being taken over by either of those two countries?

Do you honestly believe that we’re in danger of being taken over and forced to live all “under the thumbs of totalitarin Fundamentalist Muslim rulers” as you put it?

The Soviet Union was far more powerful than today’s Muslim terrorists, and yet we were never in any danger of being taken over and being forced to speak Russian.

Your right of course. We only fought a war where 50 million people died cause we felt like it was fun to do and then spent 100 gazillion dollars defending against the USSR who of course was no threat to anyone. Ask Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Poland, etc. etc. They will be the first to tell you that the USSR was no threat.

I want what your smoking nic.

Societys all over Europe are being assimilated by Muslims. They are breeding like rabbits and teaching their children from day one that they are Muslims first and then Brits, or Germans or whatever.

The war will be lost without firing a shot. The point I was trying to make before I gutted my above post was that they will win this war without firing a shot. Much as America is slowly becoming Hispanic due to the massive influx of Mexicans along with the breeding habits of the catholic Mexicans who do not believe in Birth control

If you think this is just a scare tactic your wrong. It is the Truth. The Muslims are marching peacefully into every country on earth, reproducing and brainwashing their children with the Muslim first mentality.

One day we will all wake up and suddenly realize that instead of 1 billion Muslims there will be 3 billion. Not in my lifetime but perhaps in our childrens.

There will be nary a shot fired. The war on terrorism is that the radicals. The fundamentalists must not be allowed to rule the Muslim faith. Therefore its a war that must be fought. Or else we do to them what we just did to Iran.

Back down and pretend it does not exist.

I repeat there is nothing wrong with your agenda you just dont have the most important item at the top of your list. Because what good will gay rights be in a world dominated by Muslim Fundamentalists who believe that Gays should be elimianted.