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	<title>Comments on: UN Panel: Global Warming Is Threat To Earth (UPDATED)</title>
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		<title>By: Jim Satterfield</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12010/un-panel-global-warming-is-threat-to-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-71010</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 09:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK...I don&#039;t know what happened to my earlier post. Arius, the politicians of the U.N. are the ones who watered the statement down from what the scientists wanted. Sorry, but your statement flies in the face of truth. While there were some articles about cooling due to fears concerning particulate pollution and other pollutants that reflect sunlight they never ever reached the level of scientific consensus surrounding AGW. It&#039;s a tired old argument that&#039;s been trotted out again and again and still doesn&#039;t persuade anyone who really looks into the facts.

No scientists who disagree have been silenced. That&#039;s a lie. They have been challenged to prove their reasoning for going against the consensus. So far nothing they&#039;ve produced has stood up to examination. Stephen McIntyre is not a member of the IPCC panel. He is not a scientist. He is a former mining company executive. A simple quick search shows that &quot;political climatology&quot; is not considered by anyone to be a field of scientific study. There are references on the internet but they do not even consistently refer to the same thing. Do some more research on less biased sites before tossing around your own accusations of bias and simply inaccurate statements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8230;I don&#8217;t know what happened to my earlier post. Arius, the politicians of the U.N. are the ones who watered the statement down from what the scientists wanted. Sorry, but your statement flies in the face of truth. While there were some articles about cooling due to fears concerning particulate pollution and other pollutants that reflect sunlight they never ever reached the level of scientific consensus surrounding AGW. It&#8217;s a tired old argument that&#8217;s been trotted out again and again and still doesn&#8217;t persuade anyone who really looks into the facts.</p>
<p>No scientists who disagree have been silenced. That&#8217;s a lie. They have been challenged to prove their reasoning for going against the consensus. So far nothing they&#8217;ve produced has stood up to examination. Stephen McIntyre is not a member of the IPCC panel. He is not a scientist. He is a former mining company executive. A simple quick search shows that &#8220;political climatology&#8221; is not considered by anyone to be a field of scientific study. There are references on the internet but they do not even consistently refer to the same thing. Do some more research on less biased sites before tossing around your own accusations of bias and simply inaccurate statements.</p>
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		<title>By: xiaoxinwow</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12010/un-panel-global-warming-is-threat-to-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-70976</link>
		<dc:creator>xiaoxinwow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 07:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Arius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 01:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truthfully (coming from a centrist, middle-class, non-evil, Independent, non-industrialist, but a supporter of laissez-faire capitalism), I feel that the entire global warming issue should be reexamined from a scientific perspective. Everyone must agree that the entire issue has become way too political, and that skews data and scientific papers. The truth is that for every global warming activist, there is a Stephen McIntyre (who runs the blog Climate Audit- I suggest you read it order to get another viewpoint that is backed up with data). 

There is a field of study called political climatology, which is literally climatologists who are also teach politics. That should be a vey overt warning that the science has become corrupted. 

The United Nations is biased. Sorry to say it, but it is absolutely true. There are more than 100 nations vying for a voice, and it gets chaotic. A great deal of them would have a lot to gain by environmental &quot;sanctions,&quot; much of it not at all environmentally-oriented. Even though the IPCC is made up of scientists, not politicians, it can be very leaning. Recall Stephen McIntyre. He found that a section of this new report (which actually doesn&#039;t come out for another month-and-a-half; what everyone has talked about is merely the Summary for Policymakers. What does that say?) was based on data that wasn&#039;t publicly availible. So, he tried to gain access to the data, as he was part of the IPCC panel. The IPCC actually threatened to &quot;kick him out&quot; of the IPCC panel if he kept attempting to gain access. 

The above is just one reason why I feel that global warming science and data should be reexamined. Another is that movies like &quot;The Day After Tomorrow&quot; and, to some extent, &quot;An Inconvinient Truth,&quot; are twisting the public&#039;s perception of global warming. Climatologists who attempt to say something contrary to the &quot;unanimous consensus&quot; opinion are silenced.

In the 1950&#039;s, leading up to the 1970&#039;s, the media propelled fears about an impeding ice age and about how the earth was going through a swift &quot;global cooling&quot;. We know now, in our infinite wisdom, that they were incorrect. The earth&#039;s temperature is not cooling- rather, it is warming, and it is our fault. However, it seems like the same panic is around. OBVIOUSLY, their science was flawed and that their models were far from perfect. We didn&#039;t get anything out of that little escapade except that, once again, hindsight is 20/20. And it appears that foresight is as well.

One more thing: In reality, science is NOT fact. Science is the ever-changing system of hypotheses and theories about the world around us. Those theories are critically analyzed by other researchers and other scientists critcally analyze the critical analyses. Only politics and the media dwells in &quot;fact.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truthfully (coming from a centrist, middle-class, non-evil, Independent, non-industrialist, but a supporter of laissez-faire capitalism), I feel that the entire global warming issue should be reexamined from a scientific perspective. Everyone must agree that the entire issue has become way too political, and that skews data and scientific papers. The truth is that for every global warming activist, there is a Stephen McIntyre (who runs the blog Climate Audit- I suggest you read it order to get another viewpoint that is backed up with data). </p>
<p>There is a field of study called political climatology, which is literally climatologists who are also teach politics. That should be a vey overt warning that the science has become corrupted. </p>
<p>The United Nations is biased. Sorry to say it, but it is absolutely true. There are more than 100 nations vying for a voice, and it gets chaotic. A great deal of them would have a lot to gain by environmental &#8220;sanctions,&#8221; much of it not at all environmentally-oriented. Even though the IPCC is made up of scientists, not politicians, it can be very leaning. Recall Stephen McIntyre. He found that a section of this new report (which actually doesn&#8217;t come out for another month-and-a-half; what everyone has talked about is merely the Summary for Policymakers. What does that say?) was based on data that wasn&#8217;t publicly availible. So, he tried to gain access to the data, as he was part of the IPCC panel. The IPCC actually threatened to &#8220;kick him out&#8221; of the IPCC panel if he kept attempting to gain access. </p>
<p>The above is just one reason why I feel that global warming science and data should be reexamined. Another is that movies like &#8220;The Day After Tomorrow&#8221; and, to some extent, &#8220;An Inconvinient Truth,&#8221; are twisting the public&#8217;s perception of global warming. Climatologists who attempt to say something contrary to the &#8220;unanimous consensus&#8221; opinion are silenced.</p>
<p>In the 1950&#8242;s, leading up to the 1970&#8242;s, the media propelled fears about an impeding ice age and about how the earth was going through a swift &#8220;global cooling&#8221;. We know now, in our infinite wisdom, that they were incorrect. The earth&#8217;s temperature is not cooling- rather, it is warming, and it is our fault. However, it seems like the same panic is around. OBVIOUSLY, their science was flawed and that their models were far from perfect. We didn&#8217;t get anything out of that little escapade except that, once again, hindsight is 20/20. And it appears that foresight is as well.</p>
<p>One more thing: In reality, science is NOT fact. Science is the ever-changing system of hypotheses and theories about the world around us. Those theories are critically analyzed by other researchers and other scientists critcally analyze the critical analyses. Only politics and the media dwells in &#8220;fact.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: carpeicthus</title>
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		<dc:creator>carpeicthus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, technically it&#039;s a threat to life on Earth. This giant ball of hot rock has seen worse than melting Himalayas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, technically it&#8217;s a threat to life on Earth. This giant ball of hot rock has seen worse than melting Himalayas.</p>
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		<title>By: White Agent</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12010/un-panel-global-warming-is-threat-to-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-70717</link>
		<dc:creator>White Agent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We will all be dead but the republicans will have all the money, so they win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will all be dead but the republicans will have all the money, so they win.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12010/un-panel-global-warming-is-threat-to-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-70707</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On torture and prisoners per capital we rank at the top with the likes of China and Iran. Looks like were in good company once again. Geogre Bush has taken us where no President has...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On torture and prisoners per capital we rank at the top with the likes of China and Iran. Looks like were in good company once again. Geogre Bush has taken us where no President has&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: George Sorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Sorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UN? 

That ought to convince the dittoheads!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UN? </p>
<p>That ought to convince the dittoheads!</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12010/un-panel-global-warming-is-threat-to-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-70684</link>
		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that it will also affect the poorer nations much more harshly than the rich ones, meaning that those most likely to suffer are those in Africa, where drought and disease will be more rampant. Look at Katrina, where those in the trendy parts of N.O. had less damage than those in the 9th ward, where the challenges of rebuilding have been daunting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that it will also affect the poorer nations much more harshly than the rich ones, meaning that those most likely to suffer are those in Africa, where drought and disease will be more rampant. Look at Katrina, where those in the trendy parts of N.O. had less damage than those in the 9th ward, where the challenges of rebuilding have been daunting.</p>
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		<title>By: CaseyL</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/12010/un-panel-global-warming-is-threat-to-earth/comment-page-1/#comment-70677</link>
		<dc:creator>CaseyL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since there doesn&#039;t seem to be anything we can do to stave off the extinctions, it seems to me the next-best course is to &lt;i&gt;encourage&lt;/i&gt; gloobal climate change, in the hopes that it will sharply reduce the number of humans on the planet, and even more sharply reduce the number of large metropolises.

Which means, oddly, rooting for the deniers.  The longer they&#039;re in control of policy, the more likely we are to see the human population suddenly drop by the end of the century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since there doesn&#8217;t seem to be anything we can do to stave off the extinctions, it seems to me the next-best course is to <i>encourage</i> gloobal climate change, in the hopes that it will sharply reduce the number of humans on the planet, and even more sharply reduce the number of large metropolises.</p>
<p>Which means, oddly, rooting for the deniers.  The longer they&#8217;re in control of policy, the more likely we are to see the human population suddenly drop by the end of the century.</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Exxon- Mobil needs to up the ante at AEI. The $10,000 they are offering scientists to combat global warming theories, won&#039;t be nearly enough to create sufficient warming denial theory!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Exxon- Mobil needs to up the ante at AEI. The $10,000 they are offering scientists to combat global warming theories, won&#8217;t be nearly enough to create sufficient warming denial theory!</p>
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