While Sunday is always a“ feast day” as others have……

Obviously you need to ‘hear’ things, not read things, for, as I was having fun w Jwest’s nonsense, I was also shining you on.

There is no outrage that in bear in such posts. It’s just a blog. As for Henny, I love him, and grew up watching the Dean Martin Roasts, which is why I said the use of the word invidious with him is silly!

Nic: Again you’ve got it right. Political terms are so bastardized it’s ridiculous. The Liberals are bigger censors now than the Right. So-called Conservatives are obsessed with people’s sexual habits, and Libertarians care less about individuals’ civil liberties and more about Big Business. It’s a shame.

Jim, excellent points. I’d only add that while I agree with the Con view that a government should only provide those things that individuals cannot provide for themselves, as society grows and complexes, that burden also grows and complexes. But, it should always be as small as can be. But gov’t in 2007, has to be much larger than in 1907 ot 1807.

When a conservative of this school does admit that there must be help for the poor they believe that it should be private charity or families that take care of the poor. What’s wrong with this belief? The extent of the problem is so great that these solutions just won’t work. Private charities don’t have the money. Families have changed in ways that the ideologically straight-jacketed just don’t realize make as big a difference as it does. Families are smaller. They often are more geographically dispersed. In other words the familial infrastructure just ain’t what it used to be.

So then the question becomes should society, with the federal government serving as its agent establish systems in an attempt to help those caught in economic tides beyond their control. This is in fact the general view in contradiction to the conservative viewpoint.

I can just imagine what types of overgeneralizations would be included in a post “entitled “Cruel Liberals.”

When people act like jerks, let’s just call the individual miscreants out on their garbage rather than making sweeping generalizations about an entire political philosophy. Similarly, if we’re going to criticize conservatism or liberalism or libertarianism or centrism, let’s point to the flaws in the arguments supporting these political philosophies instead of merely tearing down some of the more notorious personalities that are purported to believe in these political philosophies.

Oh, and by the way, say what you will about me. But don’t you dare disparage the King of the One-Liners

‘I don’t care to get into the substance of your debate with Jwest, but he’s trouncing you on style points so far. His riposte about bums and baby seals was quite amusing.’

If you have not heard them ten thousand times before, like the rest of the cliches he’s deployed in this post. Welcome to 2007.

Only in vaudeville wd Jwest get any laughs or style points, but say hello to Gracie. And I don’t dabble in hyperbole, which is why Jwest never answered specific comments on the DC schools nor white flight’s role in such.

And if you think the power elite does not exist it’s either because you are them or you are too dizzied by I-Pods and other cybertoys to realize the people at the other end of your strings. As for death matches, Jwest’s tights are already loosened. Three count. It’s over.

And, before you dabble in polysyllables again, actually, well, look up the words you wield. Anyone who would use ‘invidious’ in reference to Henny Youngman reveals a lack of humor and intellect.

Crash those cymbals!

You responded with an invidious comparison to Henry Youngman. Let me tell you, sir, Henny Youngman got more laughs in three minutes than a stiff like Lewis Black gets in three hours.

Two other gratuitous pieces of advice for your upcoming steel-cage death match with Jwest:

Pack your rhetorical toolbox with more than just hyperbole.

Assigning a name to an entity, e.g., the power elite, doesn’t prove that entity’s existence.

It would have been easier to type, ‘….’ and listen for the rustle of the tumbleweeds. Even your attempted humor is old as Henny Youngman’s.

But while you’re being served pina coladas and looking for answers, actually read up on white flight- Google Robert Moses, and the real world today, where minorities are still harassed and discriminated against far out of proportion to their representation (I’ve worked years in retail and see the harassment daily). When news reporters actually reported on things other than pop culture there were exposes on this behavior that allowed folks to stay in touch w planet Earth.

And I’m hardly a bleeding heart. I’ve ripped PC and Leftist Academics more than just about anyone online, but your posts are akin to those who rail about the 1960s’ ‘excesses,’ always forgetting about the Jim Crow 1950s that brought us that nonsense, and whose reality still far more infects the policies of todays than remanent hippy values.

Word out to T-Steel, re: our prior convo on how to deal with online silliness. Here is Exhibit A.

I picked that quote because it offended me, what I failed to mention is that his entire biased point of view offends me. But thanks for the link, anyway.

This will probably give you the best recount of what was actually said:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_032807/content/01125109.guest.html

Once you see how this was twisted around, you will begin to appreciate how some of the other instances of accused “hate speech� were distortions by people who didn’t find the facts.

Cosmoetica,

I see you would like to expand the D.C. school subject to include a few other topics.

Fine with me.

Could we make it for another time? As a conservative, I have a few a people I need to oppress before they return to their hovels. Clubbing baby seals is out of season and I’ve only a few hobos to set alight, so the rest of the weekend if free.

Don’t wait: GO!

What was the source of that quote?

Cosmoetica,

I would love nothing more than to have a detailed debate on why teacher’s unions, liberal attitudes towards the learning capacity of poor, black children and the desire for democrats to maintain a permanent underclass constitutes cruelty.

Shall we do it here or see if our hosts will start a new thread?

As for ‘hate speech’, it’s a silly definition. It’s akin to ‘hate crimes’, or punishing motives. If one murders, it’s the act which kills, not whether it was done for money, sexual deviance, religious reasons, or plain sadism. What Kim cites as hate speech is more mere stupidity.

But, generalizations and cliches avoid realities, such as white flight’s being behind some of the poor school systems that cause….drum roll, ‘the soft bigotry of low expectations.’

Cymbal crash.

jwest– how would you interpret what Rush said any other way? You already know that Rush, Sean and Ann say things that outrage most people but please their own audience. That’s why they do it. And they have a huge following. Can we stop pretending now?

Long before the hyperbolic present talkmysters Lefties claimed that any stance against affirmative action made one racist. You were mean spirited if you spoke out against a welfare state. The Left denied what Conservatives had forewarned in regard to dependency. The fact that Clinton helped enact some of the very changes Conservatives and Libertarians had been calling for years does not speak well for so called Liberals. It means they allowed the damage to go on for decades before admitting to the results. Also, Liberals have fought bitterly to negate the impact of Welfare reform. Yet now the have the nerve to try to take some of the credit. It’s actually laughable.

How about we all agree that conservatives are all ignorant, backwards, ultra-fundamentalist freaks who somehow manage to be backwater hicks and ultra-rich elitists at the same time, all the while enjoying their favorite sport; throwing rocks at poor single mothers.

Lets also agree that liberals are all aging hippy, pot-smoking, ivory tower elitists who think partial birth abortion is super but cry when they hear a rare lizard has been run over by a car. Any failure by anyone (other than a conservative or, perish the thought, a Christian) is not their fault, but the product of the evil white male world. Murderers need their mothers love, not jailtime. They don’t play sports but take great joy in inserting as many gay references as they can into children’s movies.

Well, having gotten that out of our system, can we please move on?