Hot Air has a video up of a couple of Muslim extremists – “the godfather of British jihad”, Omar Bakri Mohammed, Bahraini Shiite scholar Dhiyaa Al-Musawi and Egyptian scholar Gamal Al-Bana – talking about terrorism, and Jihad more in general. Some nice quotes / excerpts(you have to watch the video for yourself though):
- “They [the 9/11 terrorists] were magnificent, even though they were terrorists. The fact that they carried out a terrorist act, does not prevent us from calling them “magnificent”, because this is what religious scholars call “commendable terrorism.”
- “We have two kinds of terrorism: commendable terrorism and reprehensible terrorism. Reprehensible terrorism is an attack on women, children, the peaceful, and the innocent.” Woman interrupts: “So how do you explain the 9/11 operations, in which innocent people were killed, while a Koranic verse says: ‘Whoever slays a soul, it is as though he slew all men’?” Well, that’s easy: “Yes, but that verse refers to killing in general. ‘Do not kill the soul that Allah has forbidden, except when required by justice’. In other words a Muslim may carry out certain religious duties, so when he attacks the enemy on his own land, some innocent people might consequently die, but they are not killed intentionally.”
- Woman again: “But, to a certain extent you are justifying the killing of innocent people.” O really, you think? Omar Bakri: “Killing innocent people is forbidden in Islam. ” And then it comes… say it: “But who is innocent – that is another question.” Ahhh, so predictable… And then: “In any war, women and children might be killed unintentionally.”
- The Egyptian scholar: Martyrdom operations in Palestine, in particular, are justified for two reasons. First, the Palestinians do not have weapons to defend themselves. They have no tanks, artillery, and so on. This is the only means available to them. Therefore, it is justified, especially since it is the Israeli soldiers that are targeted.” But what about terrorist attacks against, say, a bar, a restaurant, a shop? “When I say ‘soldiers’ – the entire Israeli people is recruited [included?]. The women are the most vicious of them all. Therefore, this is justified.” Even if they harm a woman – all the women serve in the army. All the men serve in the army.” But… what about the children Gamal Al-Bana? “Only the small children remain, and the fact is that these are only very rarely harmed.” Ahh, handy, handy
Something quite funny: when talking about American aggression Omar Bakri Mohammed mentioned…
The crusades…
Those damned Americans! Organizing crusades before America even existed! Quote: “The 9/11 operations were a response to great aggressive acts by America, its attacks on Afghanistan, on Iraq, on Sudan, not to mention the historic crusades from long ago, and so on.”
How can we expect to reason with these people?
Worse yet, these people are allowed to speak freely, and influence the youth and ‘educate’ (using the word loosely) them… They are inspiring children / youths on a daily basis to become ‘martyrs’ by killing as many Westerners as possible.
Cross posted at my own blog.
H/t my good friend and personal editor, Holly.
Worse still, “teachings” such as these are infiltrating non-Muslim countries. For the first time religious freedom now has real negative connotations.
When it comes to people who will deliberately blow up a car full of children, I don’t think it’s possible to reason with them. Does anyone?
Consider an analogy: are sheep dogs trained to reason with wolves? Why Not?
Obviously there is no reasoning with these people, they are insane or evil or, very likely, both. There will always be people who will use any excuse to kill and terrorize others (Spain’s own terrorist group is an example) but what IS true is that extremism thrives on misery and ignorance. Misery makes you desperate, which will make you more likely to look for an enemy, especially one that is much richer than you. Ignorance will allow you to believe just about anything you’re told, including that this one country is to blame for all your ills. Add a grain of truth to the matter (and I don’t care if it’s not PC, the US has had a negative influence on many people’s lives) and you’re all set to create extremists. Oh and it REALLY helps if you’ve been taught all your life, through religion, to accept the word of people of authority without question.
Ignorance is especially important. If the populace realizes that their local warlords have much more to do with their misery than the immoral nation half way across the globe, the whole “martyr” thing stops flying.
Mind you ignorance is bad for everybody, and any population that finds itself unaware of the world around them can be easily fooled.
I would really really like to see these guys sit down with Ann Coulter and Rush and just talk to eachother for about 20 minutes. I have a theory it would create a singularity of hypocrisy and self serving rationalization that would tear the fabric of time and space to shreds. Plus it would be really great television.
Just goes to show that people can justify anything. I wish their views were not common, but unfortunately they are all too common.
I think this is one of your better posts on the subjects of Muslim extremism/indoctrination. Bravo.
I find it quite encouraging that this debate is actually going on in the Muslim world.
The interviewer (a woman without a head scarf I might point out) is actually asking fairly tough questions. She may not follow up when Omar Bakri Mohammed gives a BS answer, but that is something that could be said of western journalism as well.
I’d like to share the words of the counterpoint in the clip spoken by Bahraini Shiite Scholar Dhiyaa Al-Mursawi:
That is a version of Jihad I can live with, and I hope the sense of those words are heard by all of the people of the ME.