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		<title>By: mikkel</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11776/zero-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-67998</link>
		<dc:creator>mikkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iran has strength[ened] all right. Past tense. I don&#039;t think their current course sustainable as Sunni insurgents are far more resilient than expected, the Kurds are gaining in strength very quickly and they are quickly running out of energy and money. Inflation is skyrocketing and the people are angry because basic foodstuffs are through the roof.

Hezbollah has more influence than they&#039;ve had before, but they&#039;ve also really pissed off the Sunnis and Christians in Lebanon. No way do they have enough power to take over that country and if you read Michael Totten&#039;s blog he saw firsthand how all the destruction in the Hezbollah south hasn&#039;t been worked on at all while in the other areas it&#039;s repaired and even expanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iran has strength[ened] all right. Past tense. I don&#8217;t think their current course sustainable as Sunni insurgents are far more resilient than expected, the Kurds are gaining in strength very quickly and they are quickly running out of energy and money. Inflation is skyrocketing and the people are angry because basic foodstuffs are through the roof.</p>
<p>Hezbollah has more influence than they&#8217;ve had before, but they&#8217;ve also really pissed off the Sunnis and Christians in Lebanon. No way do they have enough power to take over that country and if you read Michael Totten&#8217;s blog he saw firsthand how all the destruction in the Hezbollah south hasn&#8217;t been worked on at all while in the other areas it&#8217;s repaired and even expanding.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11776/zero-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-67996</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Personally it seems like all the groups are
&gt; seeing the amount of influence and power 
&gt; dropping and being replaced by anarchy.

  Iran has strengthened, not weakened, Hizballah in Lebanon, and is ready to do much more mischief in southern Iraq; Hizballah already is there.  The question at this time is which is better established and in actual control, ready to go -- Hizballah or Pasdaran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Personally it seems like all the groups are<br />
&gt; seeing the amount of influence and power<br />
&gt; dropping and being replaced by anarchy.</p>
<p>  Iran has strengthened, not weakened, Hizballah in Lebanon, and is ready to do much more mischief in southern Iraq; Hizballah already is there.  The question at this time is which is better established and in actual control, ready to go &#8212; Hizballah or Pasdaran.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11776/zero-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-67994</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; [Ahmedinnerjacket] will just wait for them
&gt; to put on the table more concessions because
&gt; the antiwar has convinced him that waiting
&gt; long enough and they will give him the keys
&gt; to the white house and the codes to the nukes. 

  He will get more time to develop his own nukes while he waits and hopes for more concessions from the West.

  I&#039;m surprised he hasn&#039;t demanded Britain publicly apologize for trespassing and spying in Iranian waters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; [Ahmedinnerjacket] will just wait for them<br />
&gt; to put on the table more concessions because<br />
&gt; the antiwar has convinced him that waiting<br />
&gt; long enough and they will give him the keys<br />
&gt; to the white house and the codes to the nukes. </p>
<p>  He will get more time to develop his own nukes while he waits and hopes for more concessions from the West.</p>
<p>  I&#8217;m surprised he hasn&#8217;t demanded Britain publicly apologize for trespassing and spying in Iranian waters.</p>
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		<title>By: mikkel</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11776/zero-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-67993</link>
		<dc:creator>mikkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big problem is that all powers in the middle east are starting to equalize because risk is going way up. Whether it&#039;s Israel and Hamas/Hezbollah or Iran or various groups within Iraq/Lebanon or the US and everybody no one has enough power to get what they want without sacrificing so much it isn&#039;t worth it. On the other thread posted by Polimom someone pointed out tons of stuff suddenly going against Iran.

Personally it seems like all the groups are seeing the amount of influence and power dropping and being replaced by anarchy. At this point I can&#039;t think of one major group that isn&#039;t (hasn&#039;t recently) acted out of desperation instead of calculation. I fear that as they feel more and more impotent the situation will get more and more dangerous and could very easily lead to WWI redux where nothing can possibly be accomplished except millions of meaningless deaths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big problem is that all powers in the middle east are starting to equalize because risk is going way up. Whether it&#8217;s Israel and Hamas/Hezbollah or Iran or various groups within Iraq/Lebanon or the US and everybody no one has enough power to get what they want without sacrificing so much it isn&#8217;t worth it. On the other thread posted by Polimom someone pointed out tons of stuff suddenly going against Iran.</p>
<p>Personally it seems like all the groups are seeing the amount of influence and power dropping and being replaced by anarchy. At this point I can&#8217;t think of one major group that isn&#8217;t (hasn&#8217;t recently) acted out of desperation instead of calculation. I fear that as they feel more and more impotent the situation will get more and more dangerous and could very easily lead to WWI redux where nothing can possibly be accomplished except millions of meaningless deaths.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11776/zero-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-67991</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iran flexes its malovelent muscle while exploiting leftist defects within the West that aid Iran.  Wonderful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iran flexes its malovelent muscle while exploiting leftist defects within the West that aid Iran.  Wonderful.</p>
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		<title>By: jdledell</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11776/zero-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-67982</link>
		<dc:creator>jdledell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very simple game Iran is playing. First, they want to exchange the British sholdiers for the 5 Iranians captured by the Americans 2 months ago at the semi-consulate in Irbil. Next, they want to send a signal to the Americans that two can play the game of captuiring the otherâ€™s nationals. Let the negotiations on hostage exchange now begin. 


Cross posted on Polimom&#039;s entry above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very simple game Iran is playing. First, they want to exchange the British sholdiers for the 5 Iranians captured by the Americans 2 months ago at the semi-consulate in Irbil. Next, they want to send a signal to the Americans that two can play the game of captuiring the otherâ€™s nationals. Let the negotiations on hostage exchange now begin. </p>
<p>Cross posted on Polimom&#8217;s entry above.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11776/zero-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-67970</link>
		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you see what the president of Iran is doing.   The UN said we are going to punish Iran for nukes and the next day Hezzbollah starts a war by kidnapping Israelis.  The UN voted on sanctions against Iran and what happens?  Iran takes British sailors hostage.

Why is that do you suppose?  Because he understands the antiwar mentality.  He wants the British or the Americans to attack him.  If he does, he will pull a hezzbollah, stage photos and turn the British/Americans into the most evil warmongering war criminals ever.  If we dont attack him then he has the bargaining chip that he used so effectively in 1979.

Either way the antiwar is his allies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you see what the president of Iran is doing.   The UN said we are going to punish Iran for nukes and the next day Hezzbollah starts a war by kidnapping Israelis.  The UN voted on sanctions against Iran and what happens?  Iran takes British sailors hostage.</p>
<p>Why is that do you suppose?  Because he understands the antiwar mentality.  He wants the British or the Americans to attack him.  If he does, he will pull a hezzbollah, stage photos and turn the British/Americans into the most evil warmongering war criminals ever.  If we dont attack him then he has the bargaining chip that he used so effectively in 1979.</p>
<p>Either way the antiwar is his allies.</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah &#187; British hostages update</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah &#187; British hostages update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11776/zero-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-67960</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael-
Thanks for the correct quote.
On some days, I need an editor before I say &#039;good morning&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael-<br />
Thanks for the correct quote.<br />
On some days, I need an editor before I say &#8216;good morning&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doma: &quot;revenge is a meal best served cold&quot; if I am not mistaken.

Also: you have to realize that I did not call for using force immediately. I&#039;m all for diplomacy, increasing the pressure first. Naval blockade if Iran refuses to give in, and.. yes.. if Iran truly doesn&#039;t give in - Britain should be willing to use force and the West as a whole should back Britain up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doma: &#8220;revenge is a meal best served cold&#8221; if I am not mistaken.</p>
<p>Also: you have to realize that I did not call for using force immediately. I&#8217;m all for diplomacy, increasing the pressure first. Naval blockade if Iran refuses to give in, and.. yes.. if Iran truly doesn&#8217;t give in &#8211; Britain should be willing to use force and the West as a whole should back Britain up.</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11776/zero-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-67955</link>
		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then I say thank God for the antiwar crowd! We are already involved in two wars that we are not winning, and are no closer to wiping out al queda than we were on 9/12. Britain can take the saner step of financial sanctions- freezing Iranian assets abroad, or diplomatic ones- but war with Iran would be even more foolish and short-sighted than war with Iraq was. Decisions should never be made out of anger or revenge, and no action should be taken without a sober, hard look at the unintended consequences.  We are on a very frightening path, and lack the resources to start yet another war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then I say thank God for the antiwar crowd! We are already involved in two wars that we are not winning, and are no closer to wiping out al queda than we were on 9/12. Britain can take the saner step of financial sanctions- freezing Iranian assets abroad, or diplomatic ones- but war with Iran would be even more foolish and short-sighted than war with Iraq was. Decisions should never be made out of anger or revenge, and no action should be taken without a sober, hard look at the unintended consequences.  We are on a very frightening path, and lack the resources to start yet another war.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11776/zero-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-67952</link>
		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The president of Iran is also the same person who seized the American Embassy and held those people prisoner for 444 days while the world watched amused as Jimmy Carters presidency crumbled around him.

He understands how helpless the Americans have become in the face of their antiwar.  He understands how helpless Tony Blair is in the face of his antiwar crowd.  He simply will wait this out and wait for the next round of negotiations.   He will just wait for them to put on the table more concessions because the antiwar has convinced him that waiting long enough and they will give him the keys to the white house and the codes to the nukes.  The antiwar has him convinced they will give him anything he wants.

He only has to wait patiently for it to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The president of Iran is also the same person who seized the American Embassy and held those people prisoner for 444 days while the world watched amused as Jimmy Carters presidency crumbled around him.</p>
<p>He understands how helpless the Americans have become in the face of their antiwar.  He understands how helpless Tony Blair is in the face of his antiwar crowd.  He simply will wait this out and wait for the next round of negotiations.   He will just wait for them to put on the table more concessions because the antiwar has convinced him that waiting long enough and they will give him the keys to the white house and the codes to the nukes.  The antiwar has him convinced they will give him anything he wants.</p>
<p>He only has to wait patiently for it to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11776/zero-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-67950</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may very well be that, as you say on your blog, action will need to be taken. 
I&#039;m glad to see, though, that Blair is exhibiting the British sang froid while confronting this challenge.  He is exploring all avenues of diplomacy in order to avert more drastic action, if possible.

I&#039;m very uneasy with the speed with which calls for action came after the event.  Revenge is best served on a cold plate, (or words to that effect, before I garbled them). 

In a world where a sneeze can trigger life altering results, the last thing anyone should do is give in to an emotional,
&#039;we&#039;ll show them&#039; reaction. I&#039;d hoped we had at least learned that much.

In the end, those longing for action may get their wish.  But I hope a very long and careful look is taken before the leap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may very well be that, as you say on your blog, action will need to be taken.<br />
I&#8217;m glad to see, though, that Blair is exhibiting the British sang froid while confronting this challenge.  He is exploring all avenues of diplomacy in order to avert more drastic action, if possible.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very uneasy with the speed with which calls for action came after the event.  Revenge is best served on a cold plate, (or words to that effect, before I garbled them). </p>
<p>In a world where a sneeze can trigger life altering results, the last thing anyone should do is give in to an emotional,<br />
&#8216;we&#8217;ll show them&#8217; reaction. I&#8217;d hoped we had at least learned that much.</p>
<p>In the end, those longing for action may get their wish.  But I hope a very long and careful look is taken before the leap.</p>
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