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Heh, good idea.

Thanks for putting the comments back up.

CS,

Thanks for understanding what I was trying to convey. You should start a website dedicated to translating Conservative English into Liberal English.

Kritter,

“Why not condemn both extremes?�

I do. But in this case it didn’t happen.

My point is, that I can see why jwest would take exception to these two things being spoken about in a way that implied “both sides doing this”. I can also see Joe’s point (and I’ve had the same reaction to some things I’ve said, because by bringing up a negative about a Democrat I’ve been accused of excusing the behavior of Republicans when I did not state or even imply that at all). But consider this: if someone were to make a statement condemning terrorism, and then gave examples of al Qaeda/Hezbollah/PLO actions and then also gave examples of US/Israeli actions, most of us would balk at that. Most of us also agree that the US and Israel aren’t completely innocent, but we’d consider it inappropriate to even imply an equivalency by listing those things side by side.

So while I sympathize with Joe’s exasperation at something being inferred that he didn’t mean to imply, I can also understand jwest’s inferrence (and agree in principle that the two acts were of different calibers in this instance).

But Kim shows my point, that as soon as we get into a contest of which side is worse, people get defensive of their own “team” which is counterproductive. If we want people to begin recognizing this stuff more on their own side and rooting it out, we have to stop rubbing the noses of the innocent people in it (and BTW, domajot, I understand completely what you are saying and of course I believe you that you simply don’t see much of this stuff on the sites you visit- likewise for me on the right side).

Kim, I do believe that you want to condemn this stuff on both sides but I have to be honest that sometimes your comments indicate that you aren’t completely willing to do so without offering some excuse (even though you probably don’t mean it that way). The other day, for example, you made a comment saying that people who wished ill on Cheney were doing so because they were angry about his policies; well, we really can’t use that as an excuse for personal hatred or this will never stop. Rush and Coulter say the hateful things that they say because they’re angry at liberal policies too, but that doesn’t make it OK. I think in the past, I’ve had a tendency to do the same thing when discussing inflammatory/hateful comments from the right because I can see why the people made the comments, but I’ve recognized that sometimes it comes across as though I’m excusing rather than just explaining and so I’ve tried to be more clear in condemning things.

Joe, if your still reading this thread, I just wanted to take an opportunity to say thanks for all that you do. I can’t imagine how you keep up with it all.

Forget about the rest.

I believe that you believe every word you wrote.

Trouble is, you can only back up half of it. You want desperately to believe the hate is roughly equally divided so that your position of equal repulsion is justified. That would be an admirable position, if it were only true.

If you want to cite specific instances of right wing talk hosts or blog writers actively wishing for the death of someone, please do so we can join hands and condemn them together. But when the hate crime is solely one-sided as it is here, don’t drag the non-offending side in to make yourself feel better about being a democrat.

I hope that some of the left leaning commenters can understand that sometimes when we ‘rightwingers’ bring up the left haters, it isn’t to say that your side is worse or that the fact that both sides do it excuses it. It’s because we don’t hear a whole lot of people from the left or the middle making unequivocal statements against that kind of stuff; instead there’s either no response at all or an excusatory one (as in, “well, I think that people said those things about Cheney because they are worked up about their opposition to the war and they really think that if Cheney died then more lives would be spared”, which is the same excuse that the abortion clinic bombers used.)

Jwest, I understand your feelings on this but I still don’t agree that it’s so important to rank the various grievances and I think that can do more harm than good.

It was a lovely moment that, of course. could not be allowed to last.
Now the voices keeping score and nitpicking about the relative weight of one sorry scum vs another are back. IMO that kind of attitude is very much part of the problem.

I hope your intellectual honesty is an inspiration to Joe.

His subtext for this article should have been: “Why does the left attract such hateful people?� While the news of Elizabeth Edwards evoked nothing but sympathy and best wishes from the right, Tony Snow’s condition released the ugliness so prevalent on the left.

To add insult to injury, the story of liberal on-line talk host Eliot Stein’s sick antics against Cathy Seipp (as she lay dying of cancer) underscores the extent of this primarily one-sided derangement.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,261916,00.html

Well he does have stature within the conservative community , probably because he’s is fearless of being politically incorrect. Usually he goes off on one of his offensive rants, and waits. I notice he always says “If I’m wrong, then I’ll apologize”

If it elicits too much outrage, he apologizes, but that never stops him from trying to push the envelope of good taste at the very next opportunity. Probably because he knows that, even with the apology, his message got out.

I never heard of this blogger either, but I’m glad they removed their offensive comments. The internet has unlimited freedom of expression, but also unlimited opportunities to bring out the very worst of some people, who usually do not have to bear the consequence of a ruined career—-As in Limbaugh’s situation, they do it because they can get away with it. Maybe its just emotional immaturity.

There is no scoreboard.

Additionally, use perspective. If my brother’s ranting in the street to kill Snow (and he isn’t, but just if he is), it’s definitely a harshar statement than Limbaugh’s. But I bet Limbaugh’s is the more significant one that has a larger effect.

I agree with you on Limbaugh’s history though. I think in this one case, his offense wasn’t as bad as the other guys but his career average isn’t insignificant.