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		<title>By: Kayla</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11700/pelosi-shows-she-can-do-her-homework/comment-page-1/#comment-73627</link>
		<dc:creator>Kayla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>learning is fun do wat your mined tells you wat to do n it will all work out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>learning is fun do wat your mined tells you wat to do n it will all work out</p>
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		<title>By: Kayla</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11700/pelosi-shows-she-can-do-her-homework/comment-page-1/#comment-73626</link>
		<dc:creator>Kayla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;/strong&gt;she can do her home work you just need to put youmined to it and tack it as a part of life every one has to do it in a part of live it is the same a you learn some thing every day</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>she can do her home work you just need to put youmined to it and tack it as a part of life every one has to do it in a part of live it is the same a you learn some thing every day</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen Kang</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11700/pelosi-shows-she-can-do-her-homework/comment-page-1/#comment-66864</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen Kang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My snarkiness about the WSJ shock, shock I tell you, that Pelosi needed to add a bit o&#039; pork to the legislation to corral the necessary votes should not be interpreted as meaning I favor the action.

In fact I complained bitterly when the ethics legislation passed earlier this year didn&#039;t have stronger restrictions against earmarks, which I believe should be banned entirely, along with PAC contributions to election campaign chests.

I also would like to congratulate, in addition to Pelosi, those in the dreaded left-wing extreme, MoveOn, Kos, (myself), et al. who decided to support this less than ideal measure.  As jjc points out &lt;em&gt;the perfect should not become the enemy of the good.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My snarkiness about the WSJ shock, shock I tell you, that Pelosi needed to add a bit o&#8217; pork to the legislation to corral the necessary votes should not be interpreted as meaning I favor the action.</p>
<p>In fact I complained bitterly when the ethics legislation passed earlier this year didn&#8217;t have stronger restrictions against earmarks, which I believe should be banned entirely, along with PAC contributions to election campaign chests.</p>
<p>I also would like to congratulate, in addition to Pelosi, those in the dreaded left-wing extreme, MoveOn, Kos, (myself), et al. who decided to support this less than ideal measure.  As jjc points out <em>the perfect should not become the enemy of the good.</em></p>
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		<title>By: jjc</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11700/pelosi-shows-she-can-do-her-homework/comment-page-1/#comment-66854</link>
		<dc:creator>jjc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I personally thought that the Democratic leadershipâ€™s decision to lard the bill with pork in order to convince the more progressive members into voting for the bill was particularly spineless.&lt;/em&gt;

At first blush I too was inclined to see it this way.  But I&#039;ve come around to Mike P&#039;s view, 

&lt;em&gt;It seems to me you canâ€™t be a â€œprogressiveâ€? if youâ€™re unwilling to make progress - no matter how lofty your ideals. Pelosi made it happen though, and for that she deserves the praise she has gotten. 
&lt;/em&gt;

I think that&#039;s the long view that&#039;s appropriate, the view that accepts that you&#039;ll never rid the process of politics, but that you might at least improve the process and alleviate its flaws.

The government, considered as a whole, is escalating the conflict at a time when the population wants it de-escalated.  The process of getting the government more in line with the population will, of necessity, be a political one, involving movement by the population as well as by the government.

I support this legislation because I think it will achieve at least some movement on both fronts.  I think it likely that the Administration and its WSJ allies, intransigent and confrontational much as they&#039;ve been all along in getting us to where we are now, will do some work for the centrists and Democrats in bringing the population around to the view that practical measures must follow if we are to achieve the goal of reducing our presence in Iraq.

Complain about pork if you must, but there are now bridges to nowhere in this bill.   It is perhaps only slightly better than business as usual, but this is a case where I think it makes sense to point out that the perfect should not become the enemy of the good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I personally thought that the Democratic leadershipâ€™s decision to lard the bill with pork in order to convince the more progressive members into voting for the bill was particularly spineless.</em></p>
<p>At first blush I too was inclined to see it this way.  But I&#8217;ve come around to Mike P&#8217;s view, </p>
<p><em>It seems to me you canâ€™t be a â€œprogressiveâ€? if youâ€™re unwilling to make progress &#8211; no matter how lofty your ideals. Pelosi made it happen though, and for that she deserves the praise she has gotten.<br />
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<p>I think that&#8217;s the long view that&#8217;s appropriate, the view that accepts that you&#8217;ll never rid the process of politics, but that you might at least improve the process and alleviate its flaws.</p>
<p>The government, considered as a whole, is escalating the conflict at a time when the population wants it de-escalated.  The process of getting the government more in line with the population will, of necessity, be a political one, involving movement by the population as well as by the government.</p>
<p>I support this legislation because I think it will achieve at least some movement on both fronts.  I think it likely that the Administration and its WSJ allies, intransigent and confrontational much as they&#8217;ve been all along in getting us to where we are now, will do some work for the centrists and Democrats in bringing the population around to the view that practical measures must follow if we are to achieve the goal of reducing our presence in Iraq.</p>
<p>Complain about pork if you must, but there are now bridges to nowhere in this bill.   It is perhaps only slightly better than business as usual, but this is a case where I think it makes sense to point out that the perfect should not become the enemy of the good.</p>
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		<title>By: nicrivera</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicrivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally thought that the Democratic leadership&#039;s decision to lard the bill with pork in order to convince the more progressive members into voting for the bill was particularly spineless.

Yes, the Republicans did this same kind of thing when they were in power (surely you all remember the internet gambling ban that Bill Frist snuck into last autumn&#039;s Port Security Bill?).  But one party doing it doesn&#039;t excuse the party from doing the same thing.

Democrats may have won the battle on this one, but they lost the moral high ground.  Republican Congressman Ron Paul and Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich, two of the House chamber&#039;s most adamant critics of the war abandoned the Democrats on this vote.

Ron Paul&#039;s argument against the bill can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2007/cr032007.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.
Dennis Kucinich&#039;s argument against the bill can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://kucinich.us/node/3746&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally thought that the Democratic leadership&#8217;s decision to lard the bill with pork in order to convince the more progressive members into voting for the bill was particularly spineless.</p>
<p>Yes, the Republicans did this same kind of thing when they were in power (surely you all remember the internet gambling ban that Bill Frist snuck into last autumn&#8217;s Port Security Bill?).  But one party doing it doesn&#8217;t excuse the party from doing the same thing.</p>
<p>Democrats may have won the battle on this one, but they lost the moral high ground.  Republican Congressman Ron Paul and Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich, two of the House chamber&#8217;s most adamant critics of the war abandoned the Democrats on this vote.</p>
<p>Ron Paul&#8217;s argument against the bill can be found <a href="http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2007/cr032007.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br />
Dennis Kucinich&#8217;s argument against the bill can be found <a href="http://kucinich.us/node/3746" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herding the cats.  It seems crazy to me that some members were hesitant to vote for this because it didn&#039;t go far enough.  It sets a date for withdrawal, puts the President on notice and finally moves the Congress onto the road the American people took months ago.

It seems to me you can&#039;t be a &quot;progressive&quot; if you&#039;re unwilling to make progress - no matter how lofty your ideals.  Pelosi made it happen though, and for that she deserves the praise she has gotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herding the cats.  It seems crazy to me that some members were hesitant to vote for this because it didn&#8217;t go far enough.  It sets a date for withdrawal, puts the President on notice and finally moves the Congress onto the road the American people took months ago.</p>
<p>It seems to me you can&#8217;t be a &#8220;progressive&#8221; if you&#8217;re unwilling to make progress &#8211; no matter how lofty your ideals.  Pelosi made it happen though, and for that she deserves the praise she has gotten.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The publicity stunt is allocating $20 million for victory parades in Iraq and Afghanistan by the last Congress. Instead of a real debate, they were planning for a tickertape parade, with programs from the Lincoln Group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The publicity stunt is allocating $20 million for victory parades in Iraq and Afghanistan by the last Congress. Instead of a real debate, they were planning for a tickertape parade, with programs from the Lincoln Group.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashen Shard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashen Shard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how one can call this a publicity stunt.  It is a vote on something of substance, and yes it is a compromise between all the differing views though as we all know, the Bush version of compromise is giving him everything he wants.  And yes, this bill is a compromise, because it is not withdrawing our troops right away, and it is not allowing them to stay there indefinitely.
If you want publicity stunt, I would say go back and look at what the Republican Congress was voting for, such as the amendments to ban gay marriage or flag burning.  Neither of those has actual substance to them, they were only put on the table to gain the votes of the extreme right.
And I don&#039;t think these type of bills, these type of issues will stop coming up after December.  The best strategy for the Democratic Party is to continue to bring bills of substance to the floor and get everyone on record to vote on them.  What may happen after December is a greater number of Republicans will be on board, voting in favor in order to hold onto their seats.
However, superdestroyer, I wouldn&#039;t put it past the Democrats to drop the ball and stop putting forward possibly controversial bills in order to avoid the risk.  But, we&#039;ll just have to wait and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how one can call this a publicity stunt.  It is a vote on something of substance, and yes it is a compromise between all the differing views though as we all know, the Bush version of compromise is giving him everything he wants.  And yes, this bill is a compromise, because it is not withdrawing our troops right away, and it is not allowing them to stay there indefinitely.<br />
If you want publicity stunt, I would say go back and look at what the Republican Congress was voting for, such as the amendments to ban gay marriage or flag burning.  Neither of those has actual substance to them, they were only put on the table to gain the votes of the extreme right.<br />
And I don&#8217;t think these type of bills, these type of issues will stop coming up after December.  The best strategy for the Democratic Party is to continue to bring bills of substance to the floor and get everyone on record to vote on them.  What may happen after December is a greater number of Republicans will be on board, voting in favor in order to hold onto their seats.<br />
However, superdestroyer, I wouldn&#8217;t put it past the Democrats to drop the ball and stop putting forward possibly controversial bills in order to avoid the risk.  But, we&#8217;ll just have to wait and see.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the bumpiness will stop sometime around December of this year. The upcoming presidential election will ensure that 2008 will be totaly devoid of these type of publicitiy stunts in Congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the bumpiness will stop sometime around December of this year. The upcoming presidential election will ensure that 2008 will be totaly devoid of these type of publicitiy stunts in Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen Kang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen Kang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The WSJ&#039;s sniping about pork rings especially hollow given the silence which has greeted Republican extravagences over the last 6 years.

But to the point, Pelosi has shown herself quite capable of whipping her caucus, and she has put herself on record, along with another 217 of her cohorts, as voting for an end to this war.  And she has put those who voted against on record as well.

Sadly, given the close vote in the house, the closer margins in the Senate, and the President&#039;s inevitable intransigience, the proposed timetable has slim chance of success.

However, success in getting this vote is not without consequence, and those who voted against may well find themselves making way for fresher voices in 2008.

And that is Pelosi&#039;s true victory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WSJ&#8217;s sniping about pork rings especially hollow given the silence which has greeted Republican extravagences over the last 6 years.</p>
<p>But to the point, Pelosi has shown herself quite capable of whipping her caucus, and she has put herself on record, along with another 217 of her cohorts, as voting for an end to this war.  And she has put those who voted against on record as well.</p>
<p>Sadly, given the close vote in the house, the closer margins in the Senate, and the President&#8217;s inevitable intransigience, the proposed timetable has slim chance of success.</p>
<p>However, success in getting this vote is not without consequence, and those who voted against may well find themselves making way for fresher voices in 2008.</p>
<p>And that is Pelosi&#8217;s true victory.</p>
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