Comments on: Think Twice, Post Once http://themoderatevoice.com/11674/think-twice-post-once/ An Internet hub for moderates, centrists, and independents, with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, and right Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:31:05 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Temple Stark http://themoderatevoice.com/11674/think-twice-post-once/comment-page-1/#comment-70518 Temple Stark Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:13:37 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/media/blogging/11674/think-twice-post-once/#comment-70518 >>And it operates by rules of the blogosphere in terms of instant news. Joe, I don't accept that characterization either. Have you seen how static Politico.com's page is during the day. It doesn't change much and when it does, usually so far, it's to promote another story already written, not breaking news. Newspaper and TV sites break news online all the time. They should and could do it more. (I know, three weeks to reply. I was just checking in) >>And it operates by rules of the blogosphere in terms of instant news.

Joe, I don’t accept that characterization either. Have you seen how static Politico.com’s page is during the day. It doesn’t change much and when it does, usually so far, it’s to promote another story already written, not breaking news.

Newspaper and TV sites break news online all the time. They should and could do it more.

(I know, three weeks to reply. I was just checking in)

]]> By: Joe Gandelman http://themoderatevoice.com/11674/think-twice-post-once/comment-page-1/#comment-66578 Joe Gandelman Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:55:05 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/media/blogging/11674/think-twice-post-once/#comment-66578 Politico isn't quite a blog but it is indeed now part of the blogosphere. It's largely an online site (but you can subscribe and get it in print version). And it operates by rules of the blogosphere in terms of instant news. IN reality, it's doing what blogs should be doing which is to try and do original reporting. The problem with trying to do original reporting and get it up immediately is that if you don't have confirmation you can be burned. That's what happened here. I only ran our post because I saw two reports -- msnbc and the politico. BUT after I posted it I realized: "What if they both had the same "blind" source?" In most instances I wait before events and don't really trust it if I see it on a blog or just a website news site first. I wait until I see the wire services picking it up. The politico item had been picked up by some of them...but even so...it was something that could have waited a few hours on their part and, definitely, on my own. Politico isn’t quite a blog but it is indeed now part of the blogosphere. It’s largely an online site (but you can subscribe and get it in print version). And it operates by rules of the blogosphere in terms of instant news. IN reality, it’s doing what blogs should be doing which is to try and do original reporting. The problem with trying to do original reporting and get it up immediately is that if you don’t have confirmation you can be burned. That’s what happened here. I only ran our post because I saw two reports — msnbc and the politico. BUT after I posted it I realized: “What if they both had the same “blind” source?” In most instances I wait before events and don’t really trust it if I see it on a blog or just a website news site first. I wait until I see the wire services picking it up. The politico item had been picked up by some of them…but even so…it was something that could have waited a few hours on their part and, definitely, on my own.

]]> By: Polimom http://themoderatevoice.com/11674/think-twice-post-once/comment-page-1/#comment-66571 Polimom Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:59:16 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/media/blogging/11674/think-twice-post-once/#comment-66571 C W Nevius has a blogpost up at SFGate that talks some more about the blurring of lines: <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=18&entry_id=14640" rel="nofollow">Edwards: The Story MayHave Been Incorrect, But We Had It First</a> I'm much more comfortable, as a blogger, reacting to various unfolding events with opinion or analysis, and I agree that the vast majority of blogs do just that. But not all -- nor is that all some aspire to, I think. C W Nevius has a blogpost up at SFGate that talks some more about the blurring of lines:

Edwards: The Story MayHave Been Incorrect, But We Had It First

I’m much more comfortable, as a blogger, reacting to various unfolding events with opinion or analysis, and I agree that the vast majority of blogs do just that. But not all — nor is that all some aspire to, I think.

]]> By: Temple Stark http://themoderatevoice.com/11674/think-twice-post-once/comment-page-1/#comment-66562 Temple Stark Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:01:09 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/media/blogging/11674/think-twice-post-once/#comment-66562 >>this Brave New Era of communications and media.� Thanks Kevin. Hmm, I guess I don't see it that way as they are all longtime print journalists and are owned by a media company. The thrust / goal / methods can be different, for sure. By the way I'm a small-town print journalist, myself, who runs a few blogs. One is a Google New Source, as I believe TMV is. - Temple >>this Brave New Era of communications and media.�

Thanks Kevin.

Hmm, I guess I don’t see it that way as they are all longtime print journalists and are owned by a media company. The thrust / goal / methods can be different, for sure.

By the way I’m a small-town print journalist, myself, who runs a few blogs. One is a Google New Source, as I believe TMV is.

- Temple

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/11674/think-twice-post-once/comment-page-1/#comment-66555 DLS Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:40:34 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/media/blogging/11674/think-twice-post-once/#comment-66555 Sam asked: > “with accompanying proclamations that “we� > are the new face of journalism… or even that > traditional journalism is an outmoded, archaic > dinosaur.� > Who actually believes this? Says this? Fools and children, that's who. What's changed mainly is that among younger people, news is being obtained on-line -- from mainstream media or conservative-alternative-news or extreme-left Web sites, not from "blogs," which instead are sources largely and mainly of opinion. (They are analogous to reader remarks that may be found accompanying news stores on several mainstream Web sites.) Sam asked:

> “with accompanying proclamations that “we�
> are the new face of journalism… or even that
> traditional journalism is an outmoded, archaic
> dinosaur.�

> Who actually believes this? Says this?

Fools and children, that’s who. What’s changed mainly is that among younger people, news is being obtained on-line — from mainstream media or conservative-alternative-news or extreme-left Web sites, not from “blogs,” which instead are sources largely and mainly of opinion. (They are analogous to reader remarks that may be found accompanying news stores on several mainstream Web sites.)

]]> By: Kevin H http://themoderatevoice.com/11674/think-twice-post-once/comment-page-1/#comment-66540 Kevin H Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:08:22 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/media/blogging/11674/think-twice-post-once/#comment-66540 Politico might not be a traditional blog, but I'd put as a member of "this Brave New Era of communications and media." Usually, blogs are actually quite happy to be behind the MSM in 'scooping'. One of the reasons I usually like blogs is because the writers take time to absorb the info and then post some hopefully thoughtful comments. I thought this came about because blogs realized that they don't really have the resources to beat out the MSM on the big scoops, perhaps the Politico just was a bit too confident in their sources. Politico might not be a traditional blog, but I’d put as a member of “this Brave New Era of communications and media.”

Usually, blogs are actually quite happy to be behind the MSM in ’scooping’. One of the reasons I usually like blogs is because the writers take time to absorb the info and then post some hopefully thoughtful comments. I thought this came about because blogs realized that they don’t really have the resources to beat out the MSM on the big scoops, perhaps the Politico just was a bit too confident in their sources.

]]> By: Temple Stark http://themoderatevoice.com/11674/think-twice-post-once/comment-page-1/#comment-66539 Temple Stark Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:02:45 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/media/blogging/11674/think-twice-post-once/#comment-66539 Are you saying The Politico is part of the blogoshere? It's not. If you're not saying that, I miss your point about "the blogosphere arriving. "In tead what you also seem to be saying is if a blog had published it, it would have gone nowhere. Plrease tell me where I am misunderstanding your words. Although I note the commenter above is also confused. Thanks Temple Stark Are you saying The Politico is part of the blogoshere? It’s not. If you’re not saying that, I miss your point about “the blogosphere arriving. “In tead what you also seem to be saying is if a blog had published it, it would have gone nowhere.

Plrease tell me where I am misunderstanding your words. Although I note the commenter above is also confused.

Thanks Temple Stark

]]> By: Sam http://themoderatevoice.com/11674/think-twice-post-once/comment-page-1/#comment-66537 Sam Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:55:17 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/media/blogging/11674/think-twice-post-once/#comment-66537 I'm confused when I hear things like: "with accompanying proclamations that “weâ€? are the new face of journalism… or even that traditional journalism is an outmoded, archaic dinosaur." Who actually believes this? Says this? All I can see that blogs do is report what actual news media people find out and reference eachother. It is certainly helpful in disseminating information but not so useful in generating it in the first place. Traditional journalism is still and for the foreseeable future going to be the source of any information I get outside of the reach of my 5 senses. I’m confused when I hear things like:

“with accompanying proclamations that “weâ€? are the new face of journalism… or even that traditional journalism is an outmoded, archaic dinosaur.”

Who actually believes this? Says this? All I can see that blogs do is report what actual news media people find out and reference eachother. It is certainly helpful in disseminating information but not so useful in generating it in the first place. Traditional journalism is still and for the foreseeable future going to be the source of any information I get outside of the reach of my 5 senses.

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