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		<title>By: dr.e</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11664/creator-anti-clinton-video-identified/comment-page-1/#comment-66529</link>
		<dc:creator>dr.e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MVG and all here, Your point of &quot;speaking as a true Dutchman&quot; is insightful and thoe other comments salient... I had not seen the clip til you pointed it out. Its a fascinating piece of ethnology to read the comments at the Huffie. There seem two main tides as of today, one of initial huzzahs, and then throughout the commentary pages, another tide begins to surface: one that strongly seems to have  turned quite against the fellow as those old enough to remember the original much awarded artworks of this classic Apple ad, tell other posters that the fellow appropriated pretty &#039;whole cloth&#039; another award winning artist&#039;s work for his filmclip, and gave no credits and noted no permissions.

too, quite a few seem to be questioning the fellow&#039;s ethics in making a clip on the seeming sly while being paid to support rather than potentially undermining his employer&#039;s candidate contracts. The fellow appears to have been let go, or &#039;pushed&#039; out of employ as in &#039;either resign or be fired,&#039; perhaps... some have pointed out that his claim of resigning might have more hidden story to it, as seeming he hid his i.d. for quite some time after posting his  &quot;Apple/Obama&quot; filmclip also. Some think that was purposeful bid for publicity for himself first and foremost. It occurs to some that a person â€˜in the businessâ€™ of flacking, one using a well made very-expensive-to-make film by other artists, putting a slight alter-message to it, putting it out anonymously, trying to prick peopleâ€™s curiosity, then waiting to take center stage when thereâ€™s enough â€˜audienceâ€™ in place...is.. the word several have used, is â€˜disingenuous.â€™

Quite a few commentators at the Huffie on the second day of comments seem to be saying the clip is not an &#039;ad,&#039; but rather some other thing, speculating there were no altruistic motives behind it, but perhaps just an average blokeâ€™s desire to be in the limelight personally, a motive that may have overrode judgment. 

More than a few are saying, and I am paraphrasing here, that the fellow&#039;s clip did no service for Obama, and that in fact, it put the Demmies in the negative spewing business, which they have criticized the Goppies for. It seems the guy who made the clip didnâ€™t apparently think too much about how others, other than himself, would be affected.

Interesting all around. Sorry to have gone on so long, I hope it&#039;s alright this one time. But/and in my work, analyzing large groups of commentaries is a form of The Fourth Estate, an occasional endeavor that might hopefully just add in a small but strong way, a re-visioning to matters, that the &#039;answers, moods, tones, ideas, thoughts,&#039; change as people gain more information, as they take time to not rant, but to think, to steep in the process. I have a dedicated idea that we&#039;re better off in the kneading of ideas til they rise into something shapely and useable, than in trying to eat the flat stuff raw. Although I will make an exception for the dough of home-made Toll House bittersweet chocolate chip cookies. Just a teenie bit. A teaspoon only, yes. Alright, alright, another teaspoon. lol
with kindest regards,
dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MVG and all here, Your point of &#8220;speaking as a true Dutchman&#8221; is insightful and thoe other comments salient&#8230; I had not seen the clip til you pointed it out. Its a fascinating piece of ethnology to read the comments at the Huffie. There seem two main tides as of today, one of initial huzzahs, and then throughout the commentary pages, another tide begins to surface: one that strongly seems to have  turned quite against the fellow as those old enough to remember the original much awarded artworks of this classic Apple ad, tell other posters that the fellow appropriated pretty &#8216;whole cloth&#8217; another award winning artist&#8217;s work for his filmclip, and gave no credits and noted no permissions.</p>
<p>too, quite a few seem to be questioning the fellow&#8217;s ethics in making a clip on the seeming sly while being paid to support rather than potentially undermining his employer&#8217;s candidate contracts. The fellow appears to have been let go, or &#8216;pushed&#8217; out of employ as in &#8216;either resign or be fired,&#8217; perhaps&#8230; some have pointed out that his claim of resigning might have more hidden story to it, as seeming he hid his i.d. for quite some time after posting his  &#8220;Apple/Obama&#8221; filmclip also. Some think that was purposeful bid for publicity for himself first and foremost. It occurs to some that a person â€˜in the businessâ€™ of flacking, one using a well made very-expensive-to-make film by other artists, putting a slight alter-message to it, putting it out anonymously, trying to prick peopleâ€™s curiosity, then waiting to take center stage when thereâ€™s enough â€˜audienceâ€™ in place&#8230;is.. the word several have used, is â€˜disingenuous.â€™</p>
<p>Quite a few commentators at the Huffie on the second day of comments seem to be saying the clip is not an &#8216;ad,&#8217; but rather some other thing, speculating there were no altruistic motives behind it, but perhaps just an average blokeâ€™s desire to be in the limelight personally, a motive that may have overrode judgment. </p>
<p>More than a few are saying, and I am paraphrasing here, that the fellow&#8217;s clip did no service for Obama, and that in fact, it put the Demmies in the negative spewing business, which they have criticized the Goppies for. It seems the guy who made the clip didnâ€™t apparently think too much about how others, other than himself, would be affected.</p>
<p>Interesting all around. Sorry to have gone on so long, I hope it&#8217;s alright this one time. But/and in my work, analyzing large groups of commentaries is a form of The Fourth Estate, an occasional endeavor that might hopefully just add in a small but strong way, a re-visioning to matters, that the &#8216;answers, moods, tones, ideas, thoughts,&#8217; change as people gain more information, as they take time to not rant, but to think, to steep in the process. I have a dedicated idea that we&#8217;re better off in the kneading of ideas til they rise into something shapely and useable, than in trying to eat the flat stuff raw. Although I will make an exception for the dough of home-made Toll House bittersweet chocolate chip cookies. Just a teenie bit. A teaspoon only, yes. Alright, alright, another teaspoon. lol<br />
with kindest regards,<br />
dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11664/creator-anti-clinton-video-identified/comment-page-1/#comment-66485</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura said:

&gt; It is to Hillaryâ€™s credit and political benefit that the
&gt; moonbat left, such as those who post on
&gt; huffingtonpost, hates her.

  They&#039;re especially batty given what Hillary really is underneath her &quot;moderate&quot; or &quot;centrist&quot; campaign-mode disguise.


&gt;  She ought to be taking a very hardline stance on Iran. 

  This would draw multiple high-quality voters for every moonbat she would lose.  Plus the Dims are still perceived as soft on terrorism and soft against our other adversaries, despite voter rejection of the status quo in Iraq in 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura said:</p>
<p>&gt; It is to Hillaryâ€™s credit and political benefit that the<br />
&gt; moonbat left, such as those who post on<br />
&gt; huffingtonpost, hates her.</p>
<p>  They&#8217;re especially batty given what Hillary really is underneath her &#8220;moderate&#8221; or &#8220;centrist&#8221; campaign-mode disguise.</p>
<p>&gt;  She ought to be taking a very hardline stance on Iran. </p>
<p>  This would draw multiple high-quality voters for every moonbat she would lose.  Plus the Dims are still perceived as soft on terrorism and soft against our other adversaries, despite voter rejection of the status quo in Iraq in 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is to Hillary&#039;s credit and political benefit that the moonbat left, such as those who post on huffingtonpost, hates her. This will increase her credentials with independent voters during the general election. Since the left is already determined to work toward her defeat in the primary, she has nothing to lose by taking a right turn on foreign policy. She ought to be taking a very hardline stance on Iran. There is no reason at this point for her to try to accomodate and pander to the far left.

As far as youtube, supporters of Hillary can just as easily create videos, I hope they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is to Hillary&#8217;s credit and political benefit that the moonbat left, such as those who post on huffingtonpost, hates her. This will increase her credentials with independent voters during the general election. Since the left is already determined to work toward her defeat in the primary, she has nothing to lose by taking a right turn on foreign policy. She ought to be taking a very hardline stance on Iran. There is no reason at this point for her to try to accomodate and pander to the far left.</p>
<p>As far as youtube, supporters of Hillary can just as easily create videos, I hope they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, the game has changed.  But not every attempt at user-generated content will go as well as this one. (For example, check out Shelly Palmer&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://advancedmediacommittee.typepad.com/emmyadvancedmedia/2007/03/dove_taking_ugc.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Taking UGC Too Literally&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.)

But this took off, and was well-done.  It may prove to be the most influential campaign commercial created for &#039;08.  That is something. 

- Robin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, the game has changed.  But not every attempt at user-generated content will go as well as this one. (For example, check out Shelly Palmer&#8217;s <a href="http://advancedmediacommittee.typepad.com/emmyadvancedmedia/2007/03/dove_taking_ugc.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Taking UGC Too Literally&#8221;</a>.)</p>
<p>But this took off, and was well-done.  It may prove to be the most influential campaign commercial created for &#8217;08.  That is something. </p>
<p>- Robin</p>
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