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		<title>By: abby</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>K. Ritter wrote:

&gt; when he said he believed in less government, he meant it. 

  The New Deal and replacement of constitutional federalism by the modern and largely unitary Washington-centered welfare state won; Goldwater and that constitutional federalism he tried to defend lost, for good, in 1964.  There is probably no turning back now, just future cost controls and constraints on some of the continued excess.

  It would have been interesting to see what would have happened in 1994 with more people like him as opposed to lesser lights who eventually reneged on term limit promises or like Gingrich, began doing things against what was offered in 1994 as soon as he got into office.  (Gingrich wanted 12 years for House members as well as members of the Senate, strike one; Gingrich wanted to expand use of civil asset forfeiture in the Drug War, strike two...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K. Ritter wrote:</p>
<p>&gt; when he said he believed in less government, he meant it. </p>
<p>  The New Deal and replacement of constitutional federalism by the modern and largely unitary Washington-centered welfare state won; Goldwater and that constitutional federalism he tried to defend lost, for good, in 1964.  There is probably no turning back now, just future cost controls and constraints on some of the continued excess.</p>
<p>  It would have been interesting to see what would have happened in 1994 with more people like him as opposed to lesser lights who eventually reneged on term limit promises or like Gingrich, began doing things against what was offered in 1994 as soon as he got into office.  (Gingrich wanted 12 years for House members as well as members of the Senate, strike one; Gingrich wanted to expand use of civil asset forfeiture in the Drug War, strike two&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liberalhawk- I was a kid when Goldwater ran, and remember how he seemed so far to the right, people thought he was nuts, but learned more about him recently. Although I&#039;m a liberal, I do respect him, because when he said he believed in less government, he meant it. His libertarian streak would have never fit in with today&#039;s GOP. Goldwater wanted people to either take him or leave him, but he never changed his views to win an election the way almost all modern-day Republicans have. Its true he did not vote for civil rights legislation, but none of the Southern Democrats (except LBJ of course) did either- it was considered very progressive back then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>liberalhawk- I was a kid when Goldwater ran, and remember how he seemed so far to the right, people thought he was nuts, but learned more about him recently. Although I&#8217;m a liberal, I do respect him, because when he said he believed in less government, he meant it. His libertarian streak would have never fit in with today&#8217;s GOP. Goldwater wanted people to either take him or leave him, but he never changed his views to win an election the way almost all modern-day Republicans have. Its true he did not vote for civil rights legislation, but none of the Southern Democrats (except LBJ of course) did either- it was considered very progressive back then.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was said:

&gt; And its quite clear no serious substantive
&gt; negotiations can take place as long as the
&gt; govt of the PA is headed by a PM who wont
&gt; accept the basic prerequisites for
&gt; negotiating with Israel.

Even so-called &quot;moderate&quot; Abbas (the so-called the way so many people on this site misuse the term when they are liberal) has tried to get warring factions in the Territories to stop by saying they should all be using their guns on Israel instead.

That &quot;moderate&quot; himself is deserving of a missile strike and should negotiate accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was said:</p>
<p>&gt; And its quite clear no serious substantive<br />
&gt; negotiations can take place as long as the<br />
&gt; govt of the PA is headed by a PM who wont<br />
&gt; accept the basic prerequisites for<br />
&gt; negotiating with Israel.</p>
<p>Even so-called &#8220;moderate&#8221; Abbas (the so-called the way so many people on this site misuse the term when they are liberal) has tried to get warring factions in the Territories to stop by saying they should all be using their guns on Israel instead.</p>
<p>That &#8220;moderate&#8221; himself is deserving of a missile strike and should negotiate accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was said:

&gt; The snark in me wonders if some conservatives
&gt; fear not curtailing the executive power grab before 
&gt; Bush leaves office.

  ... and Hillary and the &quot;First Man&quot; re-enter it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was said:</p>
<p>&gt; The snark in me wonders if some conservatives<br />
&gt; fear not curtailing the executive power grab before<br />
&gt; Bush leaves office.</p>
<p>  &#8230; and Hillary and the &#8220;First Man&#8221; re-enter it?</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11643/the-veep-is-at-work-in-his-office-not/comment-page-1/#comment-66344</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;liberalhawk:&lt;/em&gt;

Would it shock you to know that I would defend Israel to the death and I come by that naturally?  One of the greatest influences on my life and the man who set me on the path to journalism was my&lt;em&gt; Jewish&lt;/em&gt; grandfather.  So kindly back off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>liberalhawk:</em></p>
<p>Would it shock you to know that I would defend Israel to the death and I come by that naturally?  One of the greatest influences on my life and the man who set me on the path to journalism was my<em> Jewish</em> grandfather.  So kindly back off.</p>
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		<title>By: liberalhawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>liberalhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isnt it amazing how Goldwater, who opposed the Civil Rights act, has become the model of what Republicans should be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isnt it amazing how Goldwater, who opposed the Civil Rights act, has become the model of what Republicans should be?</p>
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		<title>By: liberalhawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>liberalhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is in response to your post about Rice, since comments for that are not currently accessible.


What Tel Aviv govt are you referring to?  Is Ms Rice pissing off the Govt of the Tel Aviv-Jaffa municipality?    AFAIK thats the only govt in Tel Aviv.   The govt of Israel is located in Jerusalem.

You are either ignorant, or biased in your viewpoint.

And its quite clear no serious substantive negotiations can take place as long as the govt of the PA is headed by a PM who wont accept the basic prerequisites for negotiating with Israel.    OTOH, if State Dept reps are talking with select individuals in the PA govt to figure out how to weaken Hamas, and to keep the Euros on board for the financial boycott of Hamas, then it may well be worth it, and I doubt very much that the Govt in JERUSALEM (do you need the address?) will mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is in response to your post about Rice, since comments for that are not currently accessible.</p>
<p>What Tel Aviv govt are you referring to?  Is Ms Rice pissing off the Govt of the Tel Aviv-Jaffa municipality?    AFAIK thats the only govt in Tel Aviv.   The govt of Israel is located in Jerusalem.</p>
<p>You are either ignorant, or biased in your viewpoint.</p>
<p>And its quite clear no serious substantive negotiations can take place as long as the govt of the PA is headed by a PM who wont accept the basic prerequisites for negotiating with Israel.    OTOH, if State Dept reps are talking with select individuals in the PA govt to figure out how to weaken Hamas, and to keep the Euros on board for the financial boycott of Hamas, then it may well be worth it, and I doubt very much that the Govt in JERUSALEM (do you need the address?) will mind.</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The elder statesmen of the GOP probably regret its current incarnation, much as Goldwater did before his death. Most of the current apologists are on its payroll or lobbyists with companies that count on Republican policies of tax cuts for business and deregulation.  Since the members of Congress won&#039;t speak up about the status quo, it is incumbent that veteran politicians do so, in order to save our democracy from being a tool of people like Norquist, James Dobson and Rupert Murdoch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The elder statesmen of the GOP probably regret its current incarnation, much as Goldwater did before his death. Most of the current apologists are on its payroll or lobbyists with companies that count on Republican policies of tax cuts for business and deregulation.  Since the members of Congress won&#8217;t speak up about the status quo, it is incumbent that veteran politicians do so, in order to save our democracy from being a tool of people like Norquist, James Dobson and Rupert Murdoch.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barr has taken a similar stand before. Within the last couple months, Richard Viguerie was on the Shultz show saying this on the radio. These four haven&#039;t been corrupted by power like Grover Norquist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barr has taken a similar stand before. Within the last couple months, Richard Viguerie was on the Shultz show saying this on the radio. These four haven&#8217;t been corrupted by power like Grover Norquist.</p>
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		<title>By: egrubs</title>
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		<dc:creator>egrubs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The snark in me wonders if some conservatives fear not curtailing the executive power grab before Bush leaves office.

I&#039;ll just be glad to get it gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The snark in me wonders if some conservatives fear not curtailing the executive power grab before Bush leaves office.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll just be glad to get it gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11643/the-veep-is-at-work-in-his-office-not/comment-page-1/#comment-66130</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Rudi:&lt;/em&gt;

An extraordinary development!  Thank you for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Rudi:</em></p>
<p>An extraordinary development!  Thank you for sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun -  This is a little off topic but relate to the Bush/Cheney abuse of powers. On CSPAN this morning Bruce Fein talked about his new CONSERVATIVE group to work against the Bush executive power grab. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Four prominent conservative thinkers are set to launch a campaign &quot;to restore checks and balances and civil liberties protections under assault by the Executive Branch,&quot; arguing that, &quot;since 9/11, the President has acquired too much power.&quot;

Former Georgia Congressman Bob Barr, who led the effort to impeach President Clinton, is one of the organizers of the effort, called the American Freedom Agenda. Others are David Keene of the American Conservative Union, writer and conservative direct mail pioneer Richard Viguerie, and constitutional scholar Bruce Fein, who served in the Reagan administration as associate deputy attorney general.

At a 1 p.m. news conference today at the National Press Club, they will pitch a legislative package &quot;to restore congressional oversight and habeas corpus, end torture and extraordinary rendition, narrow the President&#039;s authority to designate &#039;enemy combatants,&#039; prevent unconstitutional wiretaps, email and mail openings, protect journalists from prosecution under the Espionage Act, and more.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Here is the link to their groups website.
http://americanfreedomagenda.org/
&lt;blockquote&gt;The American Freedom Agendaâ€™s (AFA) mission is twofold: the enactment of a cluster of statutes that would restore the Constitutionâ€™s checks and balances as enshrined by the Founding Fathers; and, making the subject a staple of political campaigns and of foremost concern to Members of Congress and to voters and educators.  Especially since 9/11, the executive branch has chronically usurped legislative or judicial power, and has repeatedly claimed that the President is the law. The constitutional grievances against the White House are chilling, reminiscent of the kingly abuses that provoked the Declaration of Independence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s time to shut off the lights when four Conservatives do something like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun &#8211;  This is a little off topic but relate to the Bush/Cheney abuse of powers. On CSPAN this morning Bruce Fein talked about his new CONSERVATIVE group to work against the Bush executive power grab. </p>
<blockquote><p>Four prominent conservative thinkers are set to launch a campaign &#8220;to restore checks and balances and civil liberties protections under assault by the Executive Branch,&#8221; arguing that, &#8220;since 9/11, the President has acquired too much power.&#8221;</p>
<p>Former Georgia Congressman Bob Barr, who led the effort to impeach President Clinton, is one of the organizers of the effort, called the American Freedom Agenda. Others are David Keene of the American Conservative Union, writer and conservative direct mail pioneer Richard Viguerie, and constitutional scholar Bruce Fein, who served in the Reagan administration as associate deputy attorney general.</p>
<p>At a 1 p.m. news conference today at the National Press Club, they will pitch a legislative package &#8220;to restore congressional oversight and habeas corpus, end torture and extraordinary rendition, narrow the President&#8217;s authority to designate &#8216;enemy combatants,&#8217; prevent unconstitutional wiretaps, email and mail openings, protect journalists from prosecution under the Espionage Act, and more.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>Here is the link to their groups website.<br />
<a href="http://americanfreedomagenda.org/" rel="nofollow">http://americanfreedomagenda.org/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The American Freedom Agendaâ€™s (AFA) mission is twofold: the enactment of a cluster of statutes that would restore the Constitutionâ€™s checks and balances as enshrined by the Founding Fathers; and, making the subject a staple of political campaigns and of foremost concern to Members of Congress and to voters and educators.  Especially since 9/11, the executive branch has chronically usurped legislative or judicial power, and has repeatedly claimed that the President is the law. The constitutional grievances against the White House are chilling, reminiscent of the kingly abuses that provoked the Declaration of Independence.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s time to shut off the lights when four Conservatives do something like this.</p>
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