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		<title>By: Jim Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 03:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poli, notice that I said that things could revert after some apparent forward progress. I think that&#039;s an unfortunate possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poli, notice that I said that things could revert after some apparent forward progress. I think that&#8217;s an unfortunate possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poli, the situation between Israel and Palestine is also quite complicated with &quot;many factors being brought to bear on the situation&quot; While the particulars of the situation have changed from month to month, the basic political algebra has changed little.

Iraq to me seems like another front in the same basic geopolitical battle, and I would actually be quite surprised if either of these fronts had significant changes within the next two years.

As to specifics, I think there will still be a central Baghdad government with most of the same ministers it has now which will receive US support. On the other hand there will probably be a number of independent para-military groups which are more or less theocratic vieing for control of the country.

do you think either of those things have a good chance of not being true?

As to how much of the country is controlled by each faction, I think that is very much up in the air, but that seems to simply change the small issues, (or the location and number of the moles to carry on the whack-a-mole metaphor), rather than the overarching international interests at play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poli, the situation between Israel and Palestine is also quite complicated with &#8220;many factors being brought to bear on the situation&#8221; While the particulars of the situation have changed from month to month, the basic political algebra has changed little.</p>
<p>Iraq to me seems like another front in the same basic geopolitical battle, and I would actually be quite surprised if either of these fronts had significant changes within the next two years.</p>
<p>As to specifics, I think there will still be a central Baghdad government with most of the same ministers it has now which will receive US support. On the other hand there will probably be a number of independent para-military groups which are more or less theocratic vieing for control of the country.</p>
<p>do you think either of those things have a good chance of not being true?</p>
<p>As to how much of the country is controlled by each faction, I think that is very much up in the air, but that seems to simply change the small issues, (or the location and number of the moles to carry on the whack-a-mole metaphor), rather than the overarching international interests at play.</p>
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		<title>By: Polimom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim -- there are so many factors being brought to bear on the situation now, the likelihood that a status quo will maintain seems extremely unlikely to me.  Some of it has to do with the surge, yes -- but saying whether or not it will &quot;work&quot; is a matter of semantics.  I agree with most folks that there&#039;s a big Whack-a-mole element to the current improvement, but all I ever hoped to see from it was buying time for other measures to initiate.

Like...  negotiations with Iran (and to a lesser degree, Syria), and the pipeline through the Kurdish territories (which will invest Turkey). 

There&#039;s a great deal going on in the background, any and all of which can have impact. 

Alternatively, the surge could fail spectacularly -- in which case the country will go ahead and dissolve into chaos later this summer.

Either way, though... no, I don&#039;t see things staying the same for such an extended period of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8212; there are so many factors being brought to bear on the situation now, the likelihood that a status quo will maintain seems extremely unlikely to me.  Some of it has to do with the surge, yes &#8212; but saying whether or not it will &#8220;work&#8221; is a matter of semantics.  I agree with most folks that there&#8217;s a big Whack-a-mole element to the current improvement, but all I ever hoped to see from it was buying time for other measures to initiate.</p>
<p>Like&#8230;  negotiations with Iran (and to a lesser degree, Syria), and the pipeline through the Kurdish territories (which will invest Turkey). </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a great deal going on in the background, any and all of which can have impact. </p>
<p>Alternatively, the surge could fail spectacularly &#8212; in which case the country will go ahead and dissolve into chaos later this summer.</p>
<p>Either way, though&#8230; no, I don&#8217;t see things staying the same for such an extended period of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Satterfield</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11524/a-two-year-wrinkle-in-time/comment-page-1/#comment-64103</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just not sure why Polimom is so sure that things will be any different two years from now. Why should they be? Will the surge work? Probably not. Once it has ended things could readily revert to being no different than they were before it happened. There won&#039;t be anyone new in the White House. There won&#039;t be any changes in the House or Senate. Yes, it is entirely possible that nothing will have changed before the new president takes their oath of office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just not sure why Polimom is so sure that things will be any different two years from now. Why should they be? Will the surge work? Probably not. Once it has ended things could readily revert to being no different than they were before it happened. There won&#8217;t be anyone new in the White House. There won&#8217;t be any changes in the House or Senate. Yes, it is entirely possible that nothing will have changed before the new president takes their oath of office.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Domajot said: &quot;Yes, and Iâ€™ve decided to not run for President precisely because of this.&quot;

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Polimom, this might not be a &quot;prediction&quot; so much as Hillary&#039;s &quot;Sister Soljah&quot; moment.

Notice the emphasis on the political risk Hillary is taking.  She will piss off many on her party&#039;s Left...but - a la Lieberman - have the possibility of picking up centrists and even GOPers who are pro-defense but disturbed by the social conservatives.

Considering that the Moveon.org and the DUummies loathe her as it is, not so much of a loss really.  But possibly a symbolic moment for defining herself as independent...(forgetting her recent pandering with her southern accent)...unlike McCain who is caving to social conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Domajot said: &#8220;Yes, and Iâ€™ve decided to not run for President precisely because of this.&#8221;</p>
<p>HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!</p>
<p>Polimom, this might not be a &#8220;prediction&#8221; so much as Hillary&#8217;s &#8220;Sister Soljah&#8221; moment.</p>
<p>Notice the emphasis on the political risk Hillary is taking.  She will piss off many on her party&#8217;s Left&#8230;but &#8211; a la Lieberman &#8211; have the possibility of picking up centrists and even GOPers who are pro-defense but disturbed by the social conservatives.</p>
<p>Considering that the Moveon.org and the DUummies loathe her as it is, not so much of a loss really.  But possibly a symbolic moment for defining herself as independent&#8230;(forgetting her recent pandering with her southern accent)&#8230;unlike McCain who is caving to social conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and I&#039;ve decided to not run for President precisely because of this.

A lot of the debate about the war, and the questions candidates are asked, depend on predictions for the future.  If things change, they are open to accusations of flip-flopping.  If they don&#039;t, then they are either war mongers or terrorist sympathizers.

The hole we are in is not only deep but it&#039;s actually a tunnel leading to new offshoots every day.

It will take a very nuanced approach to get us out, and the candidate who knows absolutely what he would do tomorrew is not up to the job, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and I&#8217;ve decided to not run for President precisely because of this.</p>
<p>A lot of the debate about the war, and the questions candidates are asked, depend on predictions for the future.  If things change, they are open to accusations of flip-flopping.  If they don&#8217;t, then they are either war mongers or terrorist sympathizers.</p>
<p>The hole we are in is not only deep but it&#8217;s actually a tunnel leading to new offshoots every day.</p>
<p>It will take a very nuanced approach to get us out, and the candidate who knows absolutely what he would do tomorrew is not up to the job, IMO.</p>
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