I stated that I have never seen anyone use the kind of “logic� that AR was using except those who are Bush partisans. That is an observation. It is my experience in reading this and many other blogs. If you have something solid to refute it, fine. But it is still my observation of what I’ve read so far.

Jim,
You are the one making a claim here, so the burden of proof is on you. The fact is that both AR and I have stated our reasons for disapproval of the Bush administration, but both of us also tend to want to stick to the facts in criticizing him (incidentally, I did the same thing during the Clinton administration when many people I know were bashing him). When people go overboard and attack without evidence, we call them on it. You can say that you observe the same kind of “defense” coming from Bush syncophants but again I repeat the following to show your logical fallacy:

If person A makes statements that are consistent with person B’s statements, it does not follow that person A and person A agrees with person B on every other similar issue.

If person A says “X” which defends person Y, it does not follow that person A generally supports person Y or that he/she blindly supports him/her.

And I’ll repeat something I said to you in another recent thread, Jim. Would you appreciate it if I called you a Marxist and used as ‘proof’ of that your statements that are highly critical of the free market system? I wouldn’t do that, of course, because it’s not logical to assume that anyone who finds faults in the free market wants to abolish capitalism. I’d appreciate it if you would use similar logic when responding to my arguments; criticism of Democrats does not mean that I think Republicans are always right, it just means that I find the comments and blog posts here to go overboard on criticizing the right (sometimes without basis), while ignoring faults of the left.

I have taken logic. It appears you haven’t. I stated that I have never seen anyone use the kind of “logic” that AR was using except those who are Bush partisans. That is an observation. It is my experience in reading this and many other blogs. If you have something solid to refute it, fine. But it is still my observation of what I’ve read so far.

MichaelF,

If what they do is object to “left wing hate speech” while attempting to minimize how much of it exists on the right or its major importance to the right wing political machine, then yes, I will assume they are Bush sycophants. These partisans constantly scream about left wing hate speech while turning a blind eye to Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, Reagan and all of the others or at least trying to ignore how much more is spewed by the right largely because they have the outlets that the left doesn’t.

Strawman Attack. I suggest you re-read what they wrote.

I’ve never seen anyone but a Bush sycophant write things like this “They only print ChimpyBushHitlerHalliburton propaganda.� or this “Because if the source is from the Right, the ‘reality’ cannot be true.�. Ever.

Of course. Since you assume that all people who object to left wing hate speech are Bush sycophants you will always be proven to be correct.

I’ve never seen anyone but a Bush sycophant write things like this “They only print ChimpyBushHitlerHalliburton propaganda.” or this “Because if the source is from the Right, the ‘reality’ cannot be true.”. Ever. Patterico cites NewsMax, which is nothing but a joke if you want to cite actual news instead of right wing propaganda. AR defends it. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

If you can ever do anything about that vacuum lock of your lips on Bush’s posterior maybe you might be able to read better.

Jim,
Where has AR said anything whatsoever that would indicate that he’s a Bush syncophant? Can’t you understand that people can be very critical of Bush but still be conservative? Or that people can criticize things on the left of American politics without being a Bush supporter? Where’s your logic?? This thread didn’t even have anything to do with Bush.

And by the way, you proved AR’s point about ad hominem attacks (and upped the ante by making one against him as well.)

If you can ever do anything about that vacuum lock of your lips on Bush’s posterior maybe you might be able to read better. Everyone outside of brain dead partisan hyper-conservatives have figured out that this administration has given incompetence a new level of meaning. And yes, NewsMax is nothing but a right wing propaganda machine. Nothing you write will ever change that fact.

And of course, when you don’t like the message, well, attack the source. Because if the source is from the Right, the ‘reality’ cannot be true. They only print ChimpyBushHitlerHalliburton propaganda.

There were examples that weren’t questionable but really, once again I have to point out that the one they had the best case for was the Alec Baldwin stupidity. But once again, he’s an entertainer that supports liberals, not a political pundit or commentator. I have looked in vain for the books of political and social commentary that he wrote that hit the bestseller lists because of the droves of liberals supporting him. Couldn’t find them. The same for all of the rest of the people cited in a confirmable way except for Al Franken. He’s written two books that sold fairly well. One out of how many citations?

AustinRoth, your choice of reference was a worse joke than Coulter.

But then she was being interviewed awhile back and said she had never slept with a liberal???? Maybe she thought it would hurt her book sales if she admitted the affair.

But I digress. I really wanted to say that, for all those who accuse the likes of myself and the birthday girl of being unpatriotic, or hating America first, the feeling I’ve had watching Israel defend herself and a US president defend Israel (a country that is held to a standard for “restraint” that no other country ever is asked to meet, but that’s another story) just reminds me how wrong that is. I LOVE being on the side of my president, and mouthing “You go, boy” when he gets it right. He just, outside of this, almost never does.

- Bill Maher