Crooks and Liars

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Senator Bird a democrat who was a former klansman. People on the right will bring this fact up. Does this indicate that those people are anti-rascist crusaders? Probably not, they are just pointing out that Bird has a past which is at odds with the values of most democrats.

“Guiliani is in the lead, and you will see the Left smearing him for beings friends with gays. Wait for the homophobic comments on Left blogs then…of course, which won’t imply anything about the Left, which totally supports gay rights”

You seem to be suggesting that because people on the left have made Giuliani’s crossdressing and friendship with gays public knowledge that this demonstrates a hidden homophobia amongst liberals. I think this is completely fallacious reasoning. I think most people on the left think it is great that someone with such a background is willing to put himself out there and run as a Republican. That being said they don’t particularly want any Republican for a president. I can see nothing wrong with pointing out to the republican base (a sizeable proportion of which are actively, virulently, and openly homophobic) that their front-runner has such a background.

While there is of course a world of difference in the situations, I would draw a parallel to what happened with Ted Haggard. He wasn’t outed because he liked to privately have sex with men, he was outed because he liked to privately have sex with men while publicly denouncing homosexuals and campaigning against gay rights. It wasn’t homophobia that caused his outing, it was hypocritophobia. (And I don’t mean to suggest that Giuilani is the hypocrite here.)

Another parallel is the issue of Cheney’s lesbian daughter and her decision to have a child with her partner. Most people on the left don’t have a problem with that and would consider it to be a private matter except for the fact that Cheney is the vice-president of an administration which has endeavoured to deny rights to gays and lesbians through constitutional amendments.

“Guiliani is in the lead, and you will see the Left smearing him for beings friends with gays. Wait for the homophobic comments on Left blogs then…of course, which won’t imply anything about the Left, which totally supports gay rights”

You seem to be suggesting that because people on the left have made Giuliani’s crossdressing and friendship with gays public knowledge that this demonstrates a hidden homophobia amongst liberals. I think this is completely fallacious reasoning. I think most people on the left think it is great that someone with such a background is willing to put himself out there and run as a Republican. That being said they don’t particularly want any Republican for a president. I can see nothing wrong with pointing out to the republican base (a sizeable proportion of which are actively, virulently, and openly homophobic) that their front-runner has such a background.

While there is of course a world of difference in the situations, I would draw a parallel to what happened with Ted Haggard. He wasn’t outed because he liked to privately have sex with men, he was outed because he liked to privately have sex with men while publicly denouncing homosexuals and campaigning against gay rights. It wasn’t homophobia that caused his outing, it was hypocritophobia. (And I don’t mean to suggest that Giuilani is the hypocrite here.)

“Komrad Marlow – Will Rudy in drag and at GayPride parades work for the fringe in the Wingnut Party.”

Hahahahaha…one thing I like about Guiliani is that he will have both the Far Right and the Far Left foaming like rabid dogs.

Man, his having gay friends…and living with them when he split with his wife! Can you imagine what Pat Robertson would say?

Who knows, though? Milton Berle was Eisenhower America’s beloved “Uncle Miltie” while appearing frequently in a dress. I remember a scene from a Berle movie, in which he was in drag at a heist because the boys rescheduled the robbery for his “dressing up night”.

Never understood how Berle got away with it. Maybe it was the cigar? But then, we know what Freud said about cigars?!

I’ve never seen the appeal myself, though it would be hilarious to have a President with a history of being in drag.

Can you imagine what Osama would say? Or the Iranians? America would be Sodom and Gomorrah indeed!

Somehow because of that I got spun as saying it’s alright for people to get hurt as long as it’s politically advantageous for the left. Should have saw it coming, but didn’t (it was 3am my time when the story started… I was a little tired, lol).

It was just annoying to smack down some of the crazies on the far left only to be accused of being one myself, lol.

I’m not wishing that meathead dead, karma will take care of him. Sorry, it’s just fundamentally wrong, no matter how evil a person is, to wish them dead. Those who wish death upon others will suffer from what-goes-around-comes-around-treat-others-as-you-wish-to-be-treated syntrome.

Yeh, Rudi- Clinton could have used some of the current rhetoric about not micromanaging a war, or limiting the ability of the CIC to determine the number of troops on the ground. It really shows that the GOP is much better at wrapping themselves in the flag when the occasion calls for obstruction of a sitting president.

Caught a minute of Mark Levin’s radio show last night (wingnut that nominated Rush for Nobel Peace prize) and he was having a field day castrating the lefty bloggers’ wishful thinking. Guess Ann Coulter’s death wish for Justice Stevens must have slipped his mind.

Rudi, you are totally right in re Clinton. As I recalled, conservatives seemed to foam at the mouth over him. As you note, they were willing to shut down the Balkan campaign to spite him…actually, shut down the government itself.

Yep, Yoggi Berra was right…it be deja vu all over again.

I think, however, that some Democrats are smarter than the GOP was, and are determined to save Pelosi from her instincts. We saw that on the choice of a replacement for Intelligence Chair…and we are seeing it in the pulling back from the “slow bleed” strategy.

The nutroots want all confrontation all the time though.

BTW…it might be fun to have a President in drag

Wackos Lefty commenters, did you go to Michael’s blog to read the comments there, not from the Left. What about Little Debbie Schussel, she front page linked to FrontPage.com and appears on cable and radio. How may Lefty’s have the exposure of a Little Debbie or Dan Riehl?

Guiliani is in the lead, and you will see the Left smearing him for beings friends with gays. Wait for the homophobic comments on Left blogs then…of course, which won’t imply anything about the Left, which totally supports gay rights.

Patterico has some quotes from Greenwald of Greenwald doing

precisely

what he accuses – with such high moral outrage – right-wing blogs of doing: namely taking comments and using them to attack the blog and smear the Right in general.

Rudi, as for when hate reaches the front page, the Left’s delete key is still in play. Most famously, Kos’ “mercenaries…screw them” about the guards who were murdered at Fallujah. He deleted it from his site, never to be seen again (except in Screencaptures).

From my perspective, most of the venom these days…and the need to censor comments liberally…comes on the Left.

I suspect this is because Bush is in power. In the Clinton era, many conservatives seemed rabidly insane about Clinton. I suspect Bush engenders similar – if higher – levels of derangement on the Left.