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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11046/going-back-to-the-moon/comment-page-1/#comment-54450</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As for a moon base Iâ€™m all for it.&quot;
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I disagree totally, unless it&#039;s a temporary one.
To explore and learn is one thing.  This kind of thinking, however, implies treating the moom as new territory to conquer. It raises the question of &#039;whose moon is it, anyway?&#039;

I wouldn&#039;t want to see a heavenly bodies&#039; grab race.

Nations don&#039;t lack for areas of conflict, as it is.
A temporary intrusion for scientific reasons is one thing.  But to make the moon the property of any one nation, where this is heading, fool-hardy to the utmost degree. 

At the very least, this issue should be discussed at an international level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for a moon base Iâ€™m all for it.&#8221;<br />
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<p>I disagree totally, unless it&#8217;s a temporary one.<br />
To explore and learn is one thing.  This kind of thinking, however, implies treating the moom as new territory to conquer. It raises the question of &#8216;whose moon is it, anyway?&#8217;</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t want to see a heavenly bodies&#8217; grab race.</p>
<p>Nations don&#8217;t lack for areas of conflict, as it is.<br />
A temporary intrusion for scientific reasons is one thing.  But to make the moon the property of any one nation, where this is heading, fool-hardy to the utmost degree. </p>
<p>At the very least, this issue should be discussed at an international level.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 05:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing that has come close to manned exploration in terms of involving the public emotionally in space exploration and science in general is the Hubble Space telescope and the Mars rover missions with their pictures of Mars. No other unmanned scientific mission comes anywhere near them. That sense of involvement is necessary to fund any of this exploration and I feel that those who say money on them is a waste compared to the somehow purer unmanned missions don&#039;t realize this. In addition I agree with Sam about the importance of pushing boundaries and how the technology developed to do so help us in many ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing that has come close to manned exploration in terms of involving the public emotionally in space exploration and science in general is the Hubble Space telescope and the Mars rover missions with their pictures of Mars. No other unmanned scientific mission comes anywhere near them. That sense of involvement is necessary to fund any of this exploration and I feel that those who say money on them is a waste compared to the somehow purer unmanned missions don&#8217;t realize this. In addition I agree with Sam about the importance of pushing boundaries and how the technology developed to do so help us in many ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikef</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11046/going-back-to-the-moon/comment-page-1/#comment-54315</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, could we dispense with the canard that the space program is somehow stealing money from efforts to end poverty, cure disease or house the homeless. NASA&#039;s science budget is around $5 billion a year, about $20 a person. If you know how to fund Universal Health Care at that price, please call Congress.

Space exploration has been transformational to the fields of physics, astronomy, and geology. It&#039;s the basis for much of our understanding of global climate change. It provided a peaceful avenue to develop most of the high technology that we use to defend the country. Building a missile that could hit a specific spot on the Moon proved we could hit any target on the planet, without starting a war with Russia.

Investment in basic science and exploration always pays dividends in the long run. It&#039;s reckless military adventures that usually cause a country&#039;s downfall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, could we dispense with the canard that the space program is somehow stealing money from efforts to end poverty, cure disease or house the homeless. NASA&#8217;s science budget is around $5 billion a year, about $20 a person. If you know how to fund Universal Health Care at that price, please call Congress.</p>
<p>Space exploration has been transformational to the fields of physics, astronomy, and geology. It&#8217;s the basis for much of our understanding of global climate change. It provided a peaceful avenue to develop most of the high technology that we use to defend the country. Building a missile that could hit a specific spot on the Moon proved we could hit any target on the planet, without starting a war with Russia.</p>
<p>Investment in basic science and exploration always pays dividends in the long run. It&#8217;s reckless military adventures that usually cause a country&#8217;s downfall</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like everything we explore we pollute.  The loose detritus from space explorations so far already present a danger to space vehicles.  We&#039;ve polluted the ocean below and the air above.  That should be enough.

There is also the problem of politicizing space.  Man takes his baggage of greed, competition and rivalry with him, whereever he goes.  It&#039;s not too hard to imagine a war on the moon over rights to one thing or another.

I hope we set limits to what can be drawn into our sphere of influence and retain a proper respect for nature as it is, without remaking it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like everything we explore we pollute.  The loose detritus from space explorations so far already present a danger to space vehicles.  We&#8217;ve polluted the ocean below and the air above.  That should be enough.</p>
<p>There is also the problem of politicizing space.  Man takes his baggage of greed, competition and rivalry with him, whereever he goes.  It&#8217;s not too hard to imagine a war on the moon over rights to one thing or another.</p>
<p>I hope we set limits to what can be drawn into our sphere of influence and retain a proper respect for nature as it is, without remaking it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Sam.  I know that there&#039;s a lot of concern about the environment and a need to be cautious with our use of technology...but some major project could serve as an inspiration as well as a spur to scientific and economic growth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Sam.  I know that there&#8217;s a lot of concern about the environment and a need to be cautious with our use of technology&#8230;but some major project could serve as an inspiration as well as a spur to scientific and economic growth.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CStan, I remember tidal energy was very limited in its overall ability to produce energy as ideal locations were relatively few.  It is surely a constant source, but repair and volume of output actually makes it not a real viable source.

As for a moon base I&#039;m all for it.  I know we can likely do the same research more efficiently from orbit, but to me space exploration isn&#039;t about efficiency.  Its about pushing the boundaries, forcing us to do impossible things and design new technology to do it.   Its not about playing it safe or merely setting up a new lab in the most exotic place we can.   

Also, I believe it is insanely lofty goals like this that spur interest in engineering and science, which this nations schools have failed to do and we are currently running low on technically skilled college grads.  Think about the 60&#039;s, the most incredible time ever for tech advancment.  Rocketry, computers, communications were all taking recognizable shape in that decade.  They&#039;ve certainly been refined since then, but fundamentally they haven&#039;t changed all the much since we decided to go to the moon.  Think about it, we had biplanes in the 1920&#039;s.  40 years later we had the SR-71 blackbird.  40 After that we still have the SR-71 blackbird as a benchmark.  

I think we could something inspiring once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CStan, I remember tidal energy was very limited in its overall ability to produce energy as ideal locations were relatively few.  It is surely a constant source, but repair and volume of output actually makes it not a real viable source.</p>
<p>As for a moon base I&#8217;m all for it.  I know we can likely do the same research more efficiently from orbit, but to me space exploration isn&#8217;t about efficiency.  Its about pushing the boundaries, forcing us to do impossible things and design new technology to do it.   Its not about playing it safe or merely setting up a new lab in the most exotic place we can.   </p>
<p>Also, I believe it is insanely lofty goals like this that spur interest in engineering and science, which this nations schools have failed to do and we are currently running low on technically skilled college grads.  Think about the 60&#8242;s, the most incredible time ever for tech advancment.  Rocketry, computers, communications were all taking recognizable shape in that decade.  They&#8217;ve certainly been refined since then, but fundamentally they haven&#8217;t changed all the much since we decided to go to the moon.  Think about it, we had biplanes in the 1920&#8242;s.  40 years later we had the SR-71 blackbird.  40 After that we still have the SR-71 blackbird as a benchmark.  </p>
<p>I think we could something inspiring once again.</p>
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		<title>By: C Stanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Alan..I&#039;ll google to try to find out more. I figured if I thought of this, someone else must have also already had the idea and I wondered if there might be some obstacle that I&#039;m not thinking of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Alan..I&#8217;ll google to try to find out more. I figured if I thought of this, someone else must have also already had the idea and I wondered if there might be some obstacle that I&#8217;m not thinking of.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C Stanley-

There are plans to tap tidal power.  One involved putting a hydroelectric dam across Canada&#039;s famous Bay of Fundy, with its massive tides.  Water would flow through the dam one was as the tide flowed in and another as flowed out. 

Another involved using small tidal energy generators on top of small, artificial coral atolls near coasts.  During WWII someone noticed that the tide broke all around coral atolls, not just on one side.  With a small tidal energy generator in the middle, able to turn a turbine with a push from any side, electricity would be generated.

Both of these ideas were from &lt;em&gt;Science Digest&lt;/em&gt; from about 20-25 years ago.  I&#039;m not sure what their status is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C Stanley-</p>
<p>There are plans to tap tidal power.  One involved putting a hydroelectric dam across Canada&#8217;s famous Bay of Fundy, with its massive tides.  Water would flow through the dam one was as the tide flowed in and another as flowed out. </p>
<p>Another involved using small tidal energy generators on top of small, artificial coral atolls near coasts.  During WWII someone noticed that the tide broke all around coral atolls, not just on one side.  With a small tidal energy generator in the middle, able to turn a turbine with a push from any side, electricity would be generated.</p>
<p>Both of these ideas were from <em>Science Digest</em> from about 20-25 years ago.  I&#8217;m not sure what their status is.</p>
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		<title>By: C Stanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the energy comment was odd too, for the reasons that Alan G mentioned. It did bring to mind a free floating thought I&#039;ve had from time to time though, for which I lack the scientific knowledge to determine the value of the idea.

My thought is: wouldn&#039;t it theoretically be possible to harness tidal energy the way we get hydroelectric power now, but on a larger scale in the oceans? Obviously storage or transmission of that energy would be a problem, but perhaps a problem that could be solved? Is there anyone that can tell me if this has already been considered and shot down (and if so, in laymans terms can you explain why?), or if it&#039;s currently being considered?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the energy comment was odd too, for the reasons that Alan G mentioned. It did bring to mind a free floating thought I&#8217;ve had from time to time though, for which I lack the scientific knowledge to determine the value of the idea.</p>
<p>My thought is: wouldn&#8217;t it theoretically be possible to harness tidal energy the way we get hydroelectric power now, but on a larger scale in the oceans? Obviously storage or transmission of that energy would be a problem, but perhaps a problem that could be solved? Is there anyone that can tell me if this has already been considered and shot down (and if so, in laymans terms can you explain why?), or if it&#8217;s currently being considered?</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Bush suggested going to Mars, I asked a Republican friend: Would you accept the loss of permanent tax cuts to fund the mission to Mars. He still hasn&#039;t answered the question. Going to Mats with a huge buget deficit is not small government Conservatism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Bush suggested going to Mars, I asked a Republican friend: Would you accept the loss of permanent tax cuts to fund the mission to Mars. He still hasn&#8217;t answered the question. Going to Mats with a huge buget deficit is not small government Conservatism.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, getting energy from the moon to the Earth as a solution to Earth&#039;s energy problems?  It&#039;s hard enough just to get &lt;em&gt;people&lt;/em&gt; to  the moon and back, and now they&#039;re suggesting Earth get the majority of its energy from there as well?  I&#039;ll leave it to the rest of you as to the reasons why this might be impractical/inefficient/ridiculous.  

If you want more practical suggestions, see the most recent issue of &lt;em&gt;Science&lt;/em&gt;, which discusses the global energy crisis and its possible solutions.  It mostly discusses biofuels and solar power.

I might also point out that many things that can be done on the moon can also be done in orbit around the Earth.  Orbiting radio telescopes can have shields on their Earth-facing sides to protect them from electromagnetic interference.  Optical telescopes--well, we already have the Hubble and more advanced ones can be made.  You can even get electrical power from orbit, using vast solar panel arrays and microwave beams to transmit the power--costly and complex, but much less so than moon-based power sources.

And then there&#039;s the fact that we&#039;ve already been to the moon.  And the fact that human exploration is more costly and risky than machine-based exploration.

As for me, going to the moon or Mars doesn&#039;t really excite me.  I&#039;m looking forward to 2011, when NASA is supposed to send the Terrestrial Planet Finder into orbit.  It&#039;s an inferometry-based orbiting pair of telescopes that can not only locate Earth-sized worlds, but might be able to provide some information as to atmospheric composition.

If an Earth-like world is discovered, that would be a big deal for me.  Though it would be &lt;em&gt;extremely&lt;/em&gt; unlikely that even an unmanned probe could reach it in my lifetime, it would certainly spur a great deal of planning in that direction</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, getting energy from the moon to the Earth as a solution to Earth&#8217;s energy problems?  It&#8217;s hard enough just to get <em>people</em> to  the moon and back, and now they&#8217;re suggesting Earth get the majority of its energy from there as well?  I&#8217;ll leave it to the rest of you as to the reasons why this might be impractical/inefficient/ridiculous.  </p>
<p>If you want more practical suggestions, see the most recent issue of <em>Science</em>, which discusses the global energy crisis and its possible solutions.  It mostly discusses biofuels and solar power.</p>
<p>I might also point out that many things that can be done on the moon can also be done in orbit around the Earth.  Orbiting radio telescopes can have shields on their Earth-facing sides to protect them from electromagnetic interference.  Optical telescopes&#8211;well, we already have the Hubble and more advanced ones can be made.  You can even get electrical power from orbit, using vast solar panel arrays and microwave beams to transmit the power&#8211;costly and complex, but much less so than moon-based power sources.</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s the fact that we&#8217;ve already been to the moon.  And the fact that human exploration is more costly and risky than machine-based exploration.</p>
<p>As for me, going to the moon or Mars doesn&#8217;t really excite me.  I&#8217;m looking forward to 2011, when NASA is supposed to send the Terrestrial Planet Finder into orbit.  It&#8217;s an inferometry-based orbiting pair of telescopes that can not only locate Earth-sized worlds, but might be able to provide some information as to atmospheric composition.</p>
<p>If an Earth-like world is discovered, that would be a big deal for me.  Though it would be <em>extremely</em> unlikely that even an unmanned probe could reach it in my lifetime, it would certainly spur a great deal of planning in that direction</p>
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