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		<title>By: Gun Toting Liberal â„¢ &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Senator John McCain: &#8220;Donald Rumsfeld, Worst Secretary of Defense In History, Deserves Deepest Gratitude And Respect&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gun Toting Liberal â„¢ &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Senator John McCain: &#8220;Donald Rumsfeld, Worst Secretary of Defense In History, Deserves Deepest Gratitude And Respect&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ***** Our good friend Michael van der Galien of The Moderate Voice has quoted this post with a fantastic blogger roundup entitled Is the Maverick Back? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ***** Our good friend Michael van der Galien of The Moderate Voice has quoted this post with a fantastic blogger roundup entitled Is the Maverick Back? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11021/is-the-maverick-back/comment-page-1/#comment-53998</link>
		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;McCain is entitled to editorialize, of course, and I believe he has been consistent in calling for more troops. It seems odd to blame Rumsfeld, though; the administrationâ€™s position has always been that it would provide more troops if the generals said they needed them.&lt;/em&gt;

I don&#039;t see how Hinderaker can claim this with a straight face. Yes, this was the official position, but it is now well-documented that despite the advice of Gen Shinsecki, Rumsfeld was determined to fight the war with a leaner, meaner military force. This initial error cost us the ability to prevent looting, and stabilize the area, losing the US the goodwill of the Iraqi people. 

In a later phase, Casey and Abizaid were concious of the way the population viewed us as a foreign occupier rather than a liberator and wanted to train an Iraqi army and police force to protect the nascent government. 

It was only when that mission failed, and there was widespread fear that Iraq was descending into a bloody civil war that could easily lead to regional war, that talk of sending in a larger US force resurfaced. I believe that there was a decision made that we could defeat  the Sunni insurgency with a larger force in Baghdad, while the Shiite militias sat back and let us do the dirty work.

In any case, McCain was a war hawk, but favored the use of overwhelming force. He has recently been highly critical of Casey and Rumsfeld, because they believed the war could be won with &quot;Iraqization&quot;. Of course that would have only worked if Iraq had not split into so many factions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>McCain is entitled to editorialize, of course, and I believe he has been consistent in calling for more troops. It seems odd to blame Rumsfeld, though; the administrationâ€™s position has always been that it would provide more troops if the generals said they needed them.</em></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how Hinderaker can claim this with a straight face. Yes, this was the official position, but it is now well-documented that despite the advice of Gen Shinsecki, Rumsfeld was determined to fight the war with a leaner, meaner military force. This initial error cost us the ability to prevent looting, and stabilize the area, losing the US the goodwill of the Iraqi people. </p>
<p>In a later phase, Casey and Abizaid were concious of the way the population viewed us as a foreign occupier rather than a liberator and wanted to train an Iraqi army and police force to protect the nascent government. </p>
<p>It was only when that mission failed, and there was widespread fear that Iraq was descending into a bloody civil war that could easily lead to regional war, that talk of sending in a larger US force resurfaced. I believe that there was a decision made that we could defeat  the Sunni insurgency with a larger force in Baghdad, while the Shiite militias sat back and let us do the dirty work.</p>
<p>In any case, McCain was a war hawk, but favored the use of overwhelming force. He has recently been highly critical of Casey and Rumsfeld, because they believed the war could be won with &#8220;Iraqization&#8221;. Of course that would have only worked if Iraq had not split into so many factions.</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/11021/is-the-maverick-back/comment-page-1/#comment-53992</link>
		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why oh why would any sentient being give a heck about what that madman  Dan Riehl has to say.

Seriously Michael, have you really read what that guy writes before?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why oh why would any sentient being give a heck about what that madman  Dan Riehl has to say.</p>
<p>Seriously Michael, have you really read what that guy writes before?</p>
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		<title>By: kritter</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just seems like its more expedient for McCain  to blame our failure in Iraq on Rumsfeld, who now can be used as a scapegoat for the GOP, than to attack Bush, who McCain still needs. A lot of Bush&#039;s big donors are signing on to the McCain campaign, so it seems to me he is just choosing a softer target. Really there is plenty of blame to go around- Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Congress, Doug Feith, Bill Kristol, Wolfowitz, a gullible press, all need to share in this turkey. McCain is neatly sidestepping his own responsibility for six years of missing congressional oversight, by putting the lion&#039;s share of the blame on Rumsfeld.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just seems like its more expedient for McCain  to blame our failure in Iraq on Rumsfeld, who now can be used as a scapegoat for the GOP, than to attack Bush, who McCain still needs. A lot of Bush&#8217;s big donors are signing on to the McCain campaign, so it seems to me he is just choosing a softer target. Really there is plenty of blame to go around- Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Congress, Doug Feith, Bill Kristol, Wolfowitz, a gullible press, all need to share in this turkey. McCain is neatly sidestepping his own responsibility for six years of missing congressional oversight, by putting the lion&#8217;s share of the blame on Rumsfeld.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just political posturing. If McClown beleived this now, why didn&#039;t he say something like this one or two years ago. It&#039;s brave to kick the dead dog Rumsfeld now, but how many Iraqis and American lives could have been saved if McClown took this stance at the same time Murtha spoke out. I used to say I wouldn&#039;t vote for Hillary, but if McClown is the Rep nominee I will hold my nose...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just political posturing. If McClown beleived this now, why didn&#8217;t he say something like this one or two years ago. It&#8217;s brave to kick the dead dog Rumsfeld now, but how many Iraqis and American lives could have been saved if McClown took this stance at the same time Murtha spoke out. I used to say I wouldn&#8217;t vote for Hillary, but if McClown is the Rep nominee I will hold my nose&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DBK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DBK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I disagree, at least to a degree. McCain does not - indeed - criticize Bush directly, but when one criticizes Rumsfeld like this, one criticizes Bush indirectly at the same time.&quot;

I strongly disagree with this.  I think McCain parses his words more carefully than any candidate in the field, and he was very, very careful not to criticize Bush.  He is in Bush&#039;s pocket.  Far from being maverick, not only is he cowed by the Bush administration, but he is owned by it.  His hopes for the &#039;08 Republican nomination are fastened to the Bush administration with glue, nails, screws, and clamps.  McCain now owns the escalation, despite his attempts to maintain distance by saying he wanted a bigger escalation.  He is using the Bush fund-raising list (if you know a little about campaigns, you know what a big deal that the Bushies shared their fund-raising list with him).  He made nice-nice, and basically bent over, after the 2000 South Carolina primary.  He&#039;s been playing &quot;good dog&quot; ever since.  There&#039;s a deal in there somewhere that he cut with Bush in 2000.  No, McCain is very careful not to criticize Bush in any way and that has been the case since the deal was cut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I disagree, at least to a degree. McCain does not &#8211; indeed &#8211; criticize Bush directly, but when one criticizes Rumsfeld like this, one criticizes Bush indirectly at the same time.&#8221;</p>
<p>I strongly disagree with this.  I think McCain parses his words more carefully than any candidate in the field, and he was very, very careful not to criticize Bush.  He is in Bush&#8217;s pocket.  Far from being maverick, not only is he cowed by the Bush administration, but he is owned by it.  His hopes for the &#8216;08 Republican nomination are fastened to the Bush administration with glue, nails, screws, and clamps.  McCain now owns the escalation, despite his attempts to maintain distance by saying he wanted a bigger escalation.  He is using the Bush fund-raising list (if you know a little about campaigns, you know what a big deal that the Bushies shared their fund-raising list with him).  He made nice-nice, and basically bent over, after the 2000 South Carolina primary.  He&#8217;s been playing &#8220;good dog&#8221; ever since.  There&#8217;s a deal in there somewhere that he cut with Bush in 2000.  No, McCain is very careful not to criticize Bush in any way and that has been the case since the deal was cut.</p>
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		<title>By: carpeicthus</title>
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		<dc:creator>carpeicthus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You either are a maverick or you aren&#039;t. You can&#039;t be one when the need suits you. McCain is just doing whatever is politically expedient, his own beliefs be damned -- that&#039;s the exact opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You either are a maverick or you aren&#8217;t. You can&#8217;t be one when the need suits you. McCain is just doing whatever is politically expedient, his own beliefs be damned &#8212; that&#8217;s the exact opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: University Update</title>
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		<dc:creator>University Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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