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Don’t Let This Happen
For the sake of all that makes America America, don’t let this happen.
As evidenced by Europe’s political institutions, it would be the most effective take-down of liberty yet seen on this continent.
17 Responses to “Don’t Let This Happen”
This idea is about as serious as Trump’s hairdo.
I agree with dduck especially after the massive failure in Europe.
Dude! You can’t just randomly throw up a link to a Bircher article without a NSFA tag. I’m on a work computer here!
Okay, I admit to being dense. I don’t understand what this guy is talking about. What are transnational parties? Parties that represent all of the EU countries together?
@ Kathy: A transnational party is a political party that crosses state lines, and represents groups of parties in a super-Parliament. For example, the parties in the EU Parliament are made up of parties in different countries, such as the European People’s Party, which is made up of these parties among others: France’s Union pour un Mouvement Populaire; Ireland’s Fine Gael; Spain’s Partido Popular; Luxembourg’s Chreschtlech Sozial Vollekspartei; and Germany’s Christlich Demokratische Union Deutschland. In effect, it is like the two major National Parties here, insofar as the national party is made up of state parties.
So is it that the individual countries can’t make their own laws for their countries? The EU Parliament makes laws for all the EU countries?
Interesting that the links that claim to lead to documents aren’t really there.
Okay, well, having asked my questions and gotten the answers, I read Robin’s post again. And again. It’s not long. I read it again.
And I don’t get it. What is it that Robin is saying should not be allowed to happen here because it will destroy everything that makes America America?
I am sorry. I just am not seeing it.
Kathy
Us join with Mexico? With the prevalence of Ugly American Xenophobia?? Not likely …
Increasingly, yes. Europe is evolving a stronger central government that pre-empts national laws. Besides a single currency, it covers trade, civil rights, immigration, and now it’s expanding into criminal law.
I’m puzzled why anyone who perceives a stronger central government as a threat in Europe or North America is okay with it in the US itself. But obviously the North American conspiracy is so insidious that the newamerican.com article must handle even benign words like “integration” and “incremental” with the tongs of double-quotes.
Son-of-NAFTA, I suppose. Followed by Bride-of-NAFTA, and the Creature-from-the-Black-NAFTA. Exposing us all to the ravages of trade.
I don’t get what the fuss is about either. If we just make Mexico a state, a whole set of immigration problems vanish. Well, properly, we trade them for development problems like Europe did with Eastern Europe. But they’ve made great progress toward solving them there, so we might be able to do as well.
I fail to see what is so terrifying about that, as it seems to be to the OP. In fact, it’s part of what makes Europe so attractive to so many, myself very much included.
That said, I also fail to see how the concept behind the European Union has any implications for the United States at all.
Hmm… I guess if you want to consider the EU a country and its countries as states, you could draw parallels between the US and the EU. But still, trans-national parties?? I don’t see a parallel either.
As far as the video goes, the guy is totally right. If anything, Europeans are drifting away from the idea of the EU, not moving towards it.
Kathy –
The article linked is a loony right-wing article on a loony right-wing site which says that our evil government overlords are conspiring to make one country out of the US, Mexico, and Canada. Which means ZOMG MEXICANS and ZOMG CANDADIANS and AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Basically: this means the world is ending because ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT and also EUROPE HOLY HELL WILL SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?
In other words: your confusion and general feeling of “huh?” is exactly the right reaction.
Actually, in an ideal world continental integration (at least) would make perfect sense, in theory. (World government was on learned people’s minds after 1945, and the UN was a step in that direction.)
In the real world — not only shouldn’t you trust it, don’t expect it.
It won’t be pursued, seriously. We have stupid chatter all the time about “trans-Atlanticism,” and (more ominously) desires by some in government to seek tax “harmony” with Europe and other nations (the way tax “harmony” is sought in Europe — forcing low-tax nations to raise their taxes to other nations’ levels).
We won’t see continental integration here. We’re fully compatible with Canada, but not with Mexico and the Central American nations (though Costa Rica is much better than most people understand). If we had to redistribute our tax revenues to secure equality among the nations, we’d be sending huge amounts of money to Mexico. (Would the money be well spent or used?)
Not only would it be resisted by people in this country (who want true reform, beginning with securing fully our international borders, especially our southern border), but it would be resisted by both Canada and Mexico because they’d both be small members of the group — and even more so, Central America and the Caribbean.
Shannon Lee wrote:
> If anything, Europeans are drifting away from the idea of the EU,
> not moving towards it.
Aside from the concerns about loss of sovereignty and gripes about the Brusselcrats, no doubt you’ve heard many a complaint (notably, in Germany) from people in better-run nations about having to deal with the worse-run nations (including the Greek example). (Note that the smaller nations resent Germany and France, who have flouted EU rules about deficits or debt, I don’t remember which, while expecting the small nations to comply.)
Shannon Lee wrote:
> I guess if you want to consider the EU a country
> and its countries as states, you could draw parallels
> between the US and the EU.
Yes, indeed. Note that the problem in Europe right now is concern about a “central” government that’s starting to get too big and is overreaching (and perhaps acting against most people’s interest), just as with our federal government beginning in the 1930s. (Consequent loss of state sovereignty and influence and power was and is obvious.)
Rather than continental integration, we should revise and make truly modern our system of states (probably on a regional basis), as well as re-define our federal government and decide which powers would be delegated to the federal government; the states (and local governments) would retain all else. That’s actually our constitutional system, though powers claimed by the feds have grown mightily (too much). Along with redefining our states (not limited to new designations and boundary determinations), we need to revise the role of federal versus the state governments.
I don’t have confidence in that happening any more than I do continental integration.
It is amusing, nevertheless, to see the EU experience the phenomenon of “too big to succeed.”