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		<title>By: The Moderate Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Iran: Good News, Bad News &#38; More News</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10965/dr-bushs-iran-medicine-show/comment-page-1/#comment-55599</link>
		<dc:creator>The Moderate Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Iran: Good News, Bad News &#38; More News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] woeful inability to stop exaggerrating and lying about Iran.    Posted on February 28, 2007 &#124; Permalink &#124; Categories Military, Iran, Iraq, George W. Bush&#124; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] woeful inability to stop exaggerrating and lying about Iran.    Posted on February 28, 2007 | Permalink | Categories Military, Iran, Iraq, George W. Bush| [...]</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10965/dr-bushs-iran-medicine-show/comment-page-1/#comment-53633</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 07:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this talk of Iran has obliterated the other side of the coin:
Sunni fighters of various sort.

There is nearly zero reporting about what the Saudis are funneling into Iraq, and who is on the receiving end of their cash and supplies.  

We are arguing with teeth bared about Iraq, but I often get the feeling that we have only a key-hole view of what all goes on there.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this talk of Iran has obliterated the other side of the coin:<br />
Sunni fighters of various sort.</p>
<p>There is nearly zero reporting about what the Saudis are funneling into Iraq, and who is on the receiving end of their cash and supplies.  </p>
<p>We are arguing with teeth bared about Iraq, but I often get the feeling that we have only a key-hole view of what all goes on there.</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 06:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not pile on Snow? Doesn&#039;t he deserve it? It&#039;s been a long time since I just gave up on hearing anything honest from this administration and Snow decided to buy into it long after it was obvious how deceitful they are. Remember that old joke about how you can tell they&#039;re lying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not pile on Snow? Doesn&#8217;t he deserve it? It&#8217;s been a long time since I just gave up on hearing anything honest from this administration and Snow decided to buy into it long after it was obvious how deceitful they are. Remember that old joke about how you can tell they&#8217;re lying.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10965/dr-bushs-iran-medicine-show/comment-page-1/#comment-53590</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Just make sure you invite me to the ceremony.&quot;
Hehehe, not so fast! There are some guys here who wouldn&#039;t invite me to a ceremony, but rather to a crematory. And I prefer to stay undecorated, cause, you know, medals make great targets for snipers...
:D

Seriously, dunno if I&#039;ve been right, I don&#039;t think we already have seen all the facts. One way or the other, no big brouhaha, pls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just make sure you invite me to the ceremony.&#8221;<br />
Hehehe, not so fast! There are some guys here who wouldn&#8217;t invite me to a ceremony, but rather to a crematory. And I prefer to stay undecorated, cause, you know, medals make great targets for snipers&#8230;<br />
 <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously, dunno if I&#8217;ve been right, I don&#8217;t think we already have seen all the facts. One way or the other, no big brouhaha, pls.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bell</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10965/dr-bushs-iran-medicine-show/comment-page-1/#comment-53567</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As it turns out, at least one source claims to *have* done the 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/02/getting_it_righ.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;math&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it turns out, at least one source claims to *have* done the<br />
<a href="http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/02/getting_it_righ.html" rel="nofollow">math</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10965/dr-bushs-iran-medicine-show/comment-page-1/#comment-53535</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Bush will give him a Medal of Freedom medal with Rummy :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Bush will give him a Medal of Freedom medal with Rummy <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Rudi:&lt;/em&gt;

Feel free to give Gray a medal with my blessing.  Just make sure you invite me to the ceremony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Rudi:</em></p>
<p>Feel free to give Gray a medal with my blessing.  Just make sure you invite me to the ceremony.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun,
In another thread Gray questioned the Austrian rifle story. This story is collapsing fast. Seems the Austrian authoerities keep good track of serial numbers, unlike the US officials in Iraq. No one from the US to this day has asked for the serial numbers from Austria. I am tired of Lincoln Group plants in our MSM, our news is becoming Tass of the USSR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun,<br />
In another thread Gray questioned the Austrian rifle story. This story is collapsing fast. Seems the Austrian authoerities keep good track of serial numbers, unlike the US officials in Iraq. No one from the US to this day has asked for the serial numbers from Austria. I am tired of Lincoln Group plants in our MSM, our news is becoming Tass of the USSR.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10965/dr-bushs-iran-medicine-show/comment-page-1/#comment-53528</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Rudi:&lt;/em&gt;

It&#039;s a tad premature to give Gray a medal.

There are many -- repeat, many -- versions of EFGs, and just because the ones the Pentagon put on display don&#039;t look like the one in the photo above doesn&#039;t really say anything.

Iran &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; providing EFGs that are killing and dismembering Americans.  The big point is that EFGs almost certainly also are being cranked out at machine shops in Iraq that have the tools to make them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Rudi:</em></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a tad premature to give Gray a medal.</p>
<p>There are many &#8212; repeat, many &#8212; versions of EFGs, and just because the ones the Pentagon put on display don&#8217;t look like the one in the photo above doesn&#8217;t really say anything.</p>
<p>Iran <em>is</em> providing EFGs that are killing and dismembering Americans.  The big point is that EFGs almost certainly also are being cranked out at machine shops in Iraq that have the tools to make them.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comapre the photo you have above with the cleaned up pipes from the Pentagon dog and pony show. The Pentagon/Lincoln Group is also spinning the RPG-7 and RPG-29 story. 
Shaun as side by side comparison of the photos would be a good visualization. Gray was one of the few &quot;Axis of Evil&quot; to remain sceptical about the Austrian rifles, seems that one is going up in smoke now too. Good job Gray.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comapre the photo you have above with the cleaned up pipes from the Pentagon dog and pony show. The Pentagon/Lincoln Group is also spinning the RPG-7 and RPG-29 story.<br />
Shaun as side by side comparison of the photos would be a good visualization. Gray was one of the few &#8220;Axis of Evil&#8221; to remain sceptical about the Austrian rifles, seems that one is going up in smoke now too. Good job Gray.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Gray:&lt;/em&gt;

You indirectly make a good point.  Most of the MSM sleepwalked through the early years of the war -- taking at face value the White House&#039;s pronouncements -- until things were so obviously so out of whack that there finally were stories calling into question the rose-colored outlook.

While there seems to be a bit more effort to question the administration&#039;s pronouncements about Iran, the MSM is again lagging behind bloggers.  I give the MSM &lt;em&gt;some&lt;/em&gt; leeway on this -- so many stories, so many assertions, so few reporters and so little time.

But while MSM coverage today is not as slavishly one-sided as it was  earlier in the war, the level of skepticism about Iran claims is nowhere near as high as it should be.  There seems to be little williness or ability to do the math, as Mr. Bell appropriately quotes Jack Grant as having said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Gray:</em></p>
<p>You indirectly make a good point.  Most of the MSM sleepwalked through the early years of the war &#8212; taking at face value the White House&#8217;s pronouncements &#8212; until things were so obviously so out of whack that there finally were stories calling into question the rose-colored outlook.</p>
<p>While there seems to be a bit more effort to question the administration&#8217;s pronouncements about Iran, the MSM is again lagging behind bloggers.  I give the MSM <em>some</em> leeway on this &#8212; so many stories, so many assertions, so few reporters and so little time.</p>
<p>But while MSM coverage today is not as slavishly one-sided as it was  earlier in the war, the level of skepticism about Iran claims is nowhere near as high as it should be.  There seems to be little williness or ability to do the math, as Mr. Bell appropriately quotes Jack Grant as having said.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Talk about cutting through the BS!&quot;

Indeed! But isn&#039;t it the MSM&#039;s job to do that? Thank God for the bloggers taking up the task!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Talk about cutting through the BS!&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed! But isn&#8217;t it the MSM&#8217;s job to do that? Thank God for the bloggers taking up the task!</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Robert:&lt;/em&gt;

Talk about cutting through the BS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Robert:</em></p>
<p>Talk about cutting through the BS!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As your co-blogger Jack Grant said once, &quot;Do the Math&quot;.

I think this kind of analysis is desperately needed.  I would expect that *many* things are fueling the insurgency at various levels, and in particular there are probably *many* sources for IEDs and their raw materials.  While *any* death from Iranian supplied IEDs is a bad thing, the correct focus of policy and discussion must at least address the relative magnitude and effectiveness of each source, and the relative likelihood of success in interving against that source and the improvement in safety resulting from that intervention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As your co-blogger Jack Grant said once, &#8220;Do the Math&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think this kind of analysis is desperately needed.  I would expect that *many* things are fueling the insurgency at various levels, and in particular there are probably *many* sources for IEDs and their raw materials.  While *any* death from Iranian supplied IEDs is a bad thing, the correct focus of policy and discussion must at least address the relative magnitude and effectiveness of each source, and the relative likelihood of success in interving against that source and the improvement in safety resulting from that intervention.</p>
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